Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: michael papworth on August 16, 2009, 07:01:11 pm
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Here's an American approach to cleaning gutters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXosPm8xNfw&feature=player_embedded
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very boring and the yank just threw that bottle the chemical was in away in the street
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Micah is a friend of mine and it was thrown down in the driveway. He reuses the same bottle for the next job.
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looked like he threw it away, and it was still very boring
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.................
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looked like he threw it away, and it was still very boring
Out of curiosity, do you do gutter work?
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yes I do lots and I just use hot WFP very quick compared to that vid
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I might be mistaken but don't you have mostly PVC gutter? The one in the vid is aluminum and gets a problem called electrostatic bonding. Even hot wfp won't help on the more embedded stuff.
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your right we do have mostly pvc but have also done the old type and same result mate, with hot WFP it comes up clean
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ive never seen a gutter shaped liked that momma . here 99%are "U" Shape profile made of pvc . they are never painted . some very old house gutters are made of galvanized steel or cast iron
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Whilst the majority of guttering over here is the half-round profile the one in the video is still very common. It's called Ogee profile.
The guttering & downpipe system is aluminium seamless hence the fan shaped creases at the top of the downpipe. Whilst aluminium seamless is not quite so common there is an increasing amount being installed.
Don't know about electrostatic bonding but my parents have it installed in a white colour & it comes up fine with cold wfp.
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whats the chemical he uses in the water ?, and how good is it on pvc ? if it alright , can you get it over here ?
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borrrring
IMO the yanks cant teach us anything. We're years ahead of em. They only just realised that WFP is a good idea lol
And whats this brush-rinse-with-hose, brush-then rinse with hose business? I often do fascias and gutters (outside of, never inside) with hot water WFP and it works much better and faster than this. Not to mention is easier than he is doing it!
Silly americans.
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Respectfully fellas I have to disagree. I don't believe you are dealing w/ the same types of gutters and staining issues that we see here. I doubt that a hot WFP would take care of the electrostatic bonding stains I run into a lot.
Of course you could always do a video to show me I'm wrong.
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Silly americans.
you really are something ::)
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He's done the external guttering exactly the same way some Brits do it apart from rinsing with a hose at the end but I'm sure some have done it the same and so long as the customer is happy then I can't see a problem what way its done and the guy's feet are firmly on the ground..
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borrrring
IMO the yanks cant teach us anything. We're years ahead of em. They only just realised that WFP is a good idea lol
oh yes, they dont know a thing about it, oh hang on, where did WFP come from ? ? ?
or didnt they teach you that at WFP school, i wonder if they said they invented it ::) ::)
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matt, yes WFP may have originated in the USA with tucker etc, but they never emraced it properly or saw its potential. If you just look at american window cleaner magazine, they are still not convinced about it, and see it as a tool to be used every now and then for the odd awkward window.
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More and more wcers over here are using WFP everyday. You need to remember that our cleaning frequency is much less frequent than yours. This makes the frequency of flawed results much higher. I have read a number of post on this site and other UK based forums of wcers sticking w/ trad methods because of poor results (I know this is due to user error or unique window conditions) so it seems there may be more in common than we may want to admit.
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matt, yes WFP may have originated in the USA with tucker etc, but they never emraced it properly or saw its potential. If you just look at american window cleaner magazine, they are still not convinced about it, and see it as a tool to be used every now and then for the odd awkward window.
it could be because they have to take screens off and they only clean them every 6 months plus, and we all know with first cleans WFP isnt the best
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I have to disagree over first clean with WFP isn't the best, thats a lame excuse, if done correctly there is absolutely no reason why a job shouldn't look spot on after first clean with WFP.
to many people hide behind this 3 cleans until they are right nonsense, if you took you car to be valeted and was told that you wouldn't pay for the poor service would you ? well same applies to cleaning windows with WFP.
Ive never said that to a customer and never will, done 3 new cleans yesterday all in bad state and ok it took me twice as long as it usually would I made sure they were gleaming with 2 of the customers telling me how pleased they were.
future cleans will take half the time so putting all the effort into first clean means there is no excuse.
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If it really takes 3 cleans with wfp to get em good then clean clean them 3 times on the first clean ;D is this why some people think its acceptable to charge double price for a first clean ? ???
as for a boring video, show me a wc / gutter cleaning video that is'nt boring ;D
oh and btw I thought gutter cleaning meant getting all the crap out the gutter
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If it really takes 3 cleans with wfp to get em good then clean clean them 3 times on the first clean ;D is this why some people think its acceptable to charge double price for a first clean ? ???
as for a boring video, show me a wc / gutter cleaning video that is'nt boring ;D
oh and btw I thought gutter cleaning meant getting all the crap out the gutter
true true and almost true mate, 1st 2 statements were spot on, last statement well its really gutter emptying when you take all the debris out of the gutter but you clean the outsides of the gutter.
But still you make good valid points alas Mr I clean 30 - 40 houses a day cos I'm great and I do 1st cleans in same time as normal cleans just wouldn't listen because he's driven by money and not providing a good service.
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What Micah was demonstrating was gutter whitening as opposed to gutter cleaning. At least that's how we differentiate them over here.
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aaaah is that what he was doing ? cos I thought he was knitting fog :D :D :D :D :D
just joking our kid we knew what he was demonstrating
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aaaah is that what he was doing ? cos I thought he was knitting fog :D :D :D :D :D
just joking our kid we knew what he was demonstrating
I knew you knew, but, did you know that I knew you knew, when you knew it? :D
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if you knew what I knew about whats new then you would know its a no to what I know :D
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I thought I knew but ... wait are we joking in present, past, or future tense? I didn't do to well in English since American is my first language. ;D
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i dont know why it is , but it DOES take 3 cleans before PVC frames or guttering look their very best .im thinking that after the first clean some of the cleaning gook is left on the surface and maybe it soaks in to whatever crud is still there . or maybe its because each clean is undertaken from a slightly different angle
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maybe its because you have rushed it and haven't spent enough time cleaning it ?
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no thats not the case . im not talking about wfp ,just trad cleaning using Cif cleaner on pvc that hasnt been cleaned in years -i guess its more RESTORATION of the surface more than cleaning
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I stand to be corrected Johnny. yes your right with pvc that has gone off colour, however although Ive never yet done such a clean I do believe there is a product which just escapes me at the moment which will bring them back to life in just one application.
I sure someone on here will know what it is
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