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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: ftp on August 14, 2009, 10:14:06 pm
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On the few times that I trad clean a window I tend to get some smearing when viewed on a sunny day. What's the main cause? Poor blade, too much solution or not enough solution in the water?
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Can be anything,
Mainly because theres too much and its dried on before youve had chance to remove or even that theres not enough solution and you get the sticky squegee effect.
Dean
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use GG3 and pure water
job done
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crap window cleaner ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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you must be letting your applicator dry out to much windows need to a bit more wet on hot sunny days , also if water is to soapy it drys on glass alot quicker, thank heavens for wfp
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On the few times that I trad clean a window I tend to get some smearing when viewed on a sunny day. What's the main cause? Poor blade, too much solution or not enough solution in the water?
Have a look at the window, before you wet it, to see if there is any fly or spider Cra* on it (they can leave streakes), then really soak the window (if it's a sunny day) and pull off. Best to try it at home a few times ;)
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I have a large house with leaded windows , which in bright sinlight apear to have a thin layer of dirty water marking all over after microfibreing , i clean this house just the same as others that are quite ok , the only difference i can see is it is over hung with large pine trees.
The marking can be buffed off with another very energetic application with the microfibre
My thoughts are that the residue may be pollen ? off the trees
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that buffing the leaded is a chore aint it , i find scrim works good as its coarse .
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They aren't mega dirty smears they are more shiny smears if you see what I mean. Where the whole blade has left a shiny smear - enough to know which direction the blade went.
Tried Unger Easy Glide and not impressed, Squeegie off - better. I wonder if it's something everyone gets on a very bright day?
Unfortunately the only house I view from the inside is my own so I can't study someone elses work. :)
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In my experience, on hot days, it's better to get the window as wet as possible. Also, on lager windows, eg, livingroom, pull off the window in two parts.Do the top half first or left side first, then wet the other half and pull that side off. Hope that makes sense. ;D
I tend to squeegee off faster in hot weather because of this problem, looks like I am showboating, like the guys on youtube, but I hate having to go back over a window.
By the way, scrim that you guys use are unknown here, everyone uses deer leathers.
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deer leathers whats them
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leather made from deerskin :) clue in the name mate ;D
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deerskin, now thats a novelty , i spose chamois is a kind of deer isnt it . where are you cozy ?
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Herford, Germany mate. It's very strong heavy duty stuff. Cheap and easy to maintain. Leaves no smears when you use it and can be washed out anytime during work, so allround dogs danglies.
It's used for leaded windows and all detailing on trad work. One would last me about 3 months on domestic work.
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Did a search and it would appear i'm not alone :)
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=24705.0
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Herford, Germany mate. It's very strong heavy duty stuff. Cheap and easy to maintain. Leaves no smears when you use it and can be washed out anytime during work, so allround dogs danglies.
It's used for leaded windows and all detailing on trad work. One would last me about 3 months on domestic work.
so what gear dyou buy in germany cozy, unger is it ? i was i china on a holiday earlier this year ,i saw diffrent stuff being used there ,i saw a man using a triple pole to clean a 4 storey block (2 poles didnt move they sat on the pavement,just held the third steady , the third one had a sortof backflip on it
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Don't know what that was in China. Sounds strange. Over here mate, it's mostly Unger stuff. Not bad for the prices.Can get replacments and extra Unger kit on any street corner. Same as with carpet cleaning kit. Buy Kärcher because they have good backup. You would laugh yourself sick if you saw how ze Germans work with WFP.
They have big trolly setups for RO and DI, and it's only used on industrial high work.They don't seem too hot on H&S on sites here either. You never need risk assessments or stuff like that. The Krauts would just give you a blank stare if you wanted to give a method statement.
Welcome to "Do what you want world". They are thorough, but not efficient !! ;D
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that made me laff,about the krauts,i can sortof imagine them. so how do you find the old timers there? do u mention u were in the hitler youth to clinch the deals??
that chinese guys tri-pole worked well,i sortof wanted it to be made of bamboo but it wasnt . i keep in touch with a couple of chinese people i met there,but once i asked about that guy i saw , they got in touch with a chinese cleaning equipment factory who wanted to know how many i could order .. ,
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Can't imagine what that Chinese kit looks like mate. As for Hitler youth, my ex mother-in-law was actually in that :o
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The biggest problem is you don't do enough trad cleaning. Imagine how good you would be if you put only half the time, effort, practice, research & trials into trad as you have done with wfp!!
The truth is, trad takes just as much as wfp to perfect. There's technique, equipment, solution & solution ratios- which may change depending on weather conditions etc. As with wfp, you'll only get better by experience, knowing which tools to use & when etc.
But, as with wfp, everyone has a different oppinion!
I think you would be very supprised if you went out with a top, experienced trad cleaner for a day! You'd soon realise how much crap is talked on here! ;D
If you're profficient at both then you really have no limits, swap methods to your advantage.
So, if you want my advice, practice, practice, practice, there are loads of ways you can improve & perfect your trad techniques giving you top results in far less time. ;)
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mum in law in the hitler youth, god , spose she was a dab hand with a Luger then?
heres a brief descript of the chinese tripod ,this has derailled the thread hasnt it eh
two poles about 6metres long were tied together at the top and were splayed out probably3metres across the base and they just stood on the pavement ,then the third pole ,a much longer pole,which had a type of backflip on the end ,slid thru a pivoting ring(i couldnt see it clearly tho) which was attatched to the top of the first 2 poles .this allowed the guy to control the third pole pole easily , then he just lifted the whole lot across to the next window
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The biggest problem is you don't do enough trad cleaning. Imagine how good you would be if you put only half the time, effort, practice, research & trials into trad as you have done with wfp!!
The truth is, trad takes just as much as wfp to perfect. There's technique, equipment, solution & solution ratios- which may change depending on weather conditions etc. As with wfp, you'll only get better by experience, knowing which tools to use & when etc.
But, as with wfp, everyone has a different oppinion!
I think you would be very supprised if you went out with a top, experienced trad cleaner for a day! You'd soon realise how much crap is talked on here! ;D
If you're profficient at both then you really have no limits, swap methods to your advantage.
So, if you want my advice, practice, practice, practice, there are loads of ways you can improve & perfect your trad techniques giving you top results in far less time. ;)
very true.
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I'd agree with that, which is why i'm asking :)
I've been experimenting with wfp close to three years now and haven't perfected that either and doubt I ever will even if I keep going for twenty years.
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This happend to me last week,was doing a first clean on some very dirty leaded windows and notice some blue'ist smears in places, i think i may of being useing a tad to much fariy in the water but a good bit microfiber action soon cleared them off, have seen other w/c work with the same blue smears in the top left hand side of the glass where the squeege has been this is somthink i look out for as i always more my head about to show any marks before moving on.
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hi, put teaspoon of vinegar in your water, works without spears every time....barry ;)
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They aren't mega dirty smears they are more shiny smears if you see what I mean. Where the whole blade has left a shiny smear - enough to know which direction the blade went.
Tried Unger Easy Glide and not impressed, Squeegie off - better. I wonder if it's something everyone gets on a very bright day?
Unfortunately the only house I view from the inside is my own so I can't study someone elses work. :)
If they are shiny smears are you sure they aren't snail trails, that you could be catching and leaving on the glass, they are a so and so to spot and easily missed when trad cleaning. With WFP the water runs off them at an angle so easily detected :)
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If its all the windows and on different customers as well, then you can eliminate it being the glass that's the problem, as I have had that in the past and have had to straight stroke to glass to avoid marks.
just as a measure I use the big Unger 5 litter tubs, and put in about 1.5 cap fulls for every 2 gallons of warm water, If you are not putting in enough you will hear the blade squeaking over the glass and the water start evaporating quickly, so you need more. If you put too much, you can leave a bit of a film on it which maybe what your taking about.
If its your blade, change it for a new one, and if it still persist then its the soap measurements. Another note is that if it is the blade it will always mark in the same spot as drag the blade across the glass.
Hope that helps