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Title: who designed WFP
Post by: R W C on August 07, 2009, 07:15:09 pm
So who designed it.....as just seen omnivacs post on ebay and they claim to of but i didnt realise this.....
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: clean on August 07, 2009, 07:17:05 pm
I think it may be Tucker
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Alex Gardiner on August 07, 2009, 07:26:21 pm
The first item that was patented for this use and was a 'water-fed pole' was back in the late 1800's. I think that 'rupertthehair' posted an image of this about 12 months ago.

Tucker then came along in the 50's and made it popular with their range of poles, which they still manufacture. Tucker were the first poles to be commercially used in the US and the UK.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: R W C on August 07, 2009, 07:40:03 pm
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Gutter-Cleaning-Business-SafeClean-52-from-the-Ground_W0QQitemZ180393956397QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_B_I_Business_for_Sale_CV?hash=item2a0051542d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: wfp master on August 07, 2009, 08:04:41 pm
So who designed it.....as just seen omnivacs post on ebay and they claim to of but i didnt realise this.....
dont make me laugh omnivacs they are at it  ???
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Ravensford on August 07, 2009, 08:46:55 pm
Try this site

http://www.windowcleaninghalloffame.com/tucker.html

As I understand it the pure water systems were designed for 'Silicon Valley' to wash the burrs off the original printed circuit boards without affecting the circuitry & Irv Tucker combined the aluminium (or should that be aluminum as it's American) telescopic pole invented by Don Newman (an ex-fighter pilot) with a water line & brush (latterly pure water).

 ;)
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: ftp on August 07, 2009, 08:49:16 pm
Glyn Tucker was his name.  ;D
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: DaveG on August 07, 2009, 08:54:02 pm
Thought it was Walter Fedpole
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: ftp on August 07, 2009, 08:58:16 pm
Very good  ;D
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Clive McDonald on August 07, 2009, 09:12:39 pm
This is all a bit simplistic, wfp and who designed it is a bit wider.Many of the advances made in water purification came about in the seventies and were said to be space race spin offs.

Remember for what we do to work, leisure batteries, pumps, and smaller bore hose all had to be developed, not to mention the internal combustion engine to drag it all round, and suspensions that could take the large weights involved.

If Ionics had the first van mount system maybe they can be said to have invented it in it's current form

Much of the widespread adoption in later years has had to do with h&s legislation.Only in the last few years have sensible domestic polls been available. The slx is pretty much cutting edge along with the gardiners superlite brush.

So wfp is pretty much a work in progress, and we are all able to chip bits in.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Ravensford on August 07, 2009, 09:28:45 pm
I think he is asking about the concept not it's evolution.

Are you claiming a hand in car design because you put furry dice in it?  ;D
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: R W C on August 07, 2009, 09:29:15 pm
but who thought "I no why not use pure water with a hose and brush to clean windows"

Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: R W C on August 07, 2009, 09:29:47 pm
I think he is asking about the concept not it's evolution.

Are you claiming a hand in car design because you put furry dice in it?

lol beat me to it
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Ravensford on August 07, 2009, 09:31:38 pm
but who thought "I no why not use pure water with a hose and brush to clean windows"



Quote from the page on Irv Tucker (above)

With the addition of Deionized water then Reverse Osmosis, the Tucker water fed pole became the model for other manufacturers to follow.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Clive McDonald on August 07, 2009, 10:17:56 pm
With the addition of a suitable pressure sensitive 12v pump, with the addition of H&S driving towards a ladders free solution bringing the unit cost down......

Did Mr Bell invent the mobile phone, or mr clarke the satelite? No hundreds, if not thousands of engineers all played a part.Like wise thirty years of fishing pole product developement meant that it only needed someone to ask the right questions and the answers were already available for our carbon poles.

Reference your question about cars, you would probably mean the first mass produced car- the model T- this was old man tuckers first effort wasn't it?

Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy) on August 07, 2009, 10:30:00 pm
i dont believe wfp exists :-X
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Ravensford on August 08, 2009, 12:10:54 am
With the addition of a suitable pressure sensitive 12v pump, with the addition of H&S driving towards a ladders free solution bringing the unit cost down......

Did Mr Bell invent the mobile phone, or mr clarke the satelite? No hundreds, if not thousands of engineers all played a part.Like wise thirty years of fishing pole product developement meant that it only needed someone to ask the right questions and the answers were already available for our carbon poles.

Reference your question about cars, you would probably mean the first mass produced car- the model T- this was old man tuckers first effort wasn't it?




RWC - I've given you the shortlist (Hall of Fame link above) meanwhile Slump is possibly researching the other 79,987 contributors. Apparently he could be stuck on the bloke that cut the tattered end of his bristle brush & declared it a dual trim version!
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: mci services on August 08, 2009, 12:27:00 am
i dont believe wfp exists :-X
what is it ???
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Glyn H on August 08, 2009, 12:47:47 am
sfwc wrote
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dont make me laugh omnivacs they are at it


Could someone please translate the above as I am not sure if this a compliment or a slur.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Mike #1 on August 08, 2009, 07:30:44 am
it appears on the ebay page that you or your company are saying that you brought us waterfed pole back in 1997 please could you elaborate on that defining exactly what you mean then we can all understand , please note i do not intend to cause offence or create any ill feeling
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: DaveG on August 08, 2009, 08:27:01 am
sfwc wrote
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dont make me laugh omnivacs they are at it


Could someone please translate the above as I am not sure if this a compliment or a slur.


i would read that as "taking the p**s"
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Alex Gardiner on August 08, 2009, 08:50:31 am
1997 was when Omnipole brought 'us' their clients WFP. This statement does not mean that they invented or thought up the idea, just that their company brought it to us in that year.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Alex Gardiner on August 08, 2009, 08:53:08 am
With the addition of a suitable pressure sensitive 12v pump, with the addition of H&S driving towards a ladders free solution bringing the unit cost down......

Did Mr Bell invent the mobile phone, or mr clarke the satelite? No hundreds, if not thousands of engineers all played a part.Like wise thirty years of fishing pole product developement meant that it only needed someone to ask the right questions and the answers were already available for our carbon poles.

Reference your question about cars, you would probably mean the first mass produced car- the model T- this was old man tuckers first effort wasn't it?




RWC - I've given you the shortlist (Hall of Fame link above) meanwhile Slump is possibly researching the other 79,987 contributors. Apparently he could be stuck on the bloke that cut the tattered end of his bristle brush & declared it a dual trim version!

Interestingly this was Mr Tucker as well.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Glyn H on August 08, 2009, 09:22:30 am
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1997 was when Omnipole brought 'us' their clients WFP. This statement does not mean that they invented or thought up the idea, just that their company brought it to us in that year.
Alex
Thank you for making that clear.

Many manufacturers claim they started manufacturing in the 90s for example Brodex claim on their website that they started in 1997- in actual fact they started by building a stainless steel enclosed RO in 2001 which we displayed on our Cleaning Show stand and subsiqently sold several units on their behalf, which is why they decided to get into the WFP business.
The facts are that OTT ( now Ionics) and ourselves brought WFP to the UK from the USA, and developed it to make it suitable for the UK marketplace.
Tucker hadnt sold anything in the UK until OTT marketed their poles.

I am sure Alex can also confirm this.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: R W C on August 08, 2009, 09:43:36 am
1997 was when Omnipole brought 'us' their clients WFP. This statement does not mean that they invented or thought up the idea, just that their company brought it to us in that year.

The Omni Gutter Vac is the latest brain child of the company that brought you water fed pole window cleaning back in 1997 (now the method of choice for all commercial window cleaners and a great proportion of domestic window cleaners).

its the words brain child, that to me means that they believe they thought the idea,
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Glyn H on August 08, 2009, 09:59:55 am
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The Omni Gutter Vac is the latest brain child of the company that brought you water fed pole window cleaning back in 1997 (now the method of choice for all commercial window cleaners and a great proportion of domestic window cleaners).

"BROUGHT YOU WFP BACK IN 1997 "this is a factual statement
No one apart from Craig Mawlem and ourselves had used or even  heard of WFP type cleaning in the UK then.


Why the **** am I bothering explaining.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: R W C on August 08, 2009, 10:06:43 am
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The Omni Gutter Vac is the latest brain child of the company that brought you water fed pole window cleaning back in 1997 (now the method of choice for all commercial window cleaners and a great proportion of domestic window cleaners).

"BROUGHT YOU WFP BACK IN 1997 "this is a factual statement
No one apart from Craig Mawlem and ourselves had used or even  heard of WFP type cleaning in the UK then.


Why the **** am I explaining anyway!

No one invited you to join in  Glyn I simply asked a question you could of sat back and watched the thread but you joined in so I asked you what something ment, no need to get all shirty about it you could of just explained in a adult manner, cor and theres me thinking of gettin a vac think ill go else where with my money if the owner of a company speaks like this on a forum, cor im glad Alex doesnt come on here talking like this and ive seen him slated for certain things but he explains, sorts and delivers,
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Glyn H on August 08, 2009, 10:32:34 am
Sesame Street Window Cleaning
Thank you!


RWC  are you serious?
 I need to be invited to comment on an open forum to your questions about my Company
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: R W C on August 08, 2009, 10:37:43 am
You said "why the **** am I explaining" I never asked you too I asked everyone else who designed WFP as I know its not omnipole and wanted to know who it was, you decided to throw your toys out your pram because someone questioned something you put on a item your selling. Seems like you get all uptight when something negative is said about YOUR company, clean glass thread rings a bell,
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Alex Gardiner on August 08, 2009, 11:10:40 am
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1997 was when Omnipole brought 'us' their clients WFP. This statement does not mean that they invented or thought up the idea, just that their company brought it to us in that year.
Alex
Thank you for making that clear.

Many manufacturers claim they started manufacturing in the 90s for example Brodex claim on their website that they started in 1997- in actual fact they started by building a stainless steel enclosed RO in 2001 which we displayed on our Cleaning Show stand and subsiqently sold several units on their behalf, which is why they decided to get into the WFP business.
The facts are that OTT ( now Ionics) and ourselves brought WFP to the UK from the USA, and developed it to make it suitable for the UK marketplace.
Tucker hadnt sold anything in the UK until OTT marketed their poles.

I am sure Alex can also confirm this.

Yes Tucker was first commercially sold in the UK by OTT and the Omnipole by, well Omnipole!

I have spoken to someone recently who has been using a Tucker pole in this country for over 15 years. He visited the US on holiday, liked what he saw and privately imported a Tucker pole and a DI canister. He then sourced a pallet of resin and had been working with exactly the same method for the last 15 years. He has just recently upgraded to a composite pole.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: luther1 on August 08, 2009, 11:55:37 am
That 'someone' is you Alex isn't it?
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Alex Gardiner on August 08, 2009, 12:06:41 pm
That 'someone' is you Alex isn't it?

No it isn't, unfortunately. I only started using poles in 2000 and invested in my first complete set-up in 2001. I had previously been to the US where I had friends who used WFP extensively, but I hadn't yet seen the need for it in my business. I remember being more interested in their automatic adjustable ladder legs  :(

My first pole was a converted Unger 'green-cone' pole which looking back was useless! I then quickly followed this with three Universal poles which I bought from........Omnipole. I still have one of them hanging in my Garage for posterity (I haven't got round to putting it on Ebay).
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: luther1 on August 08, 2009, 12:23:08 pm
Are your van mounts still work in progress Alex?
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Alex Gardiner on August 08, 2009, 02:33:21 pm
Are your van mounts still work in progress Alex?

Yes they are.  Most of the design production is complete.  We are about half way through our crash test programme at the moment and the final details on the electronic controls are being put together.  I don't want to tie us down to a date (you know me) but another couple of months should see us done.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: wfp master on August 08, 2009, 03:00:54 pm
so omnipole did NOT invent wfp thats why i said dont make me laugh they have a bad reputation on here remember a couple of months back that post went on & on about them. i think they were trying to bum themselfs up saying they invented wfp. not a chance..
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Alex Gardiner on August 08, 2009, 03:06:20 pm
Alex, will your crash tests invlove impacts of higher than 30 mph?

The current test equipment available in the UK (or anywhere in the world) has a maximum impact equivalent to about 34 mph.  It can replicate an absolute instant stop from this speed.  In actuality this exerts far greater forces on the items being tested than any real world impact at this speed could achieve.  The test sleds used for this direct all the force at the system rather than through a vehicle's crash zones.  To understand this, have a look at Ionics' series of tests.  All of their initial testing was done on test sleds and the final test sled which simulated a dead stop at over 30 mph actually damaged the system far more than their subsequent real crash test of hurling a van into a concrete block.  This is because any crash using a vehicle benefits from the billions of pounds that the car manufacturers have spent developing safer vehicles.

So in answer to your question (eventually!)  - no we will not be testing at speeds much in excess of 30 mph because currently we do not have the technology available to us to do so.  However, I am very confident that passing such a sled test will give enormous real world protection.  I could not in good conscience sell a system that I felt was not provably safe.  This includes testing the largest system in our range (900l) and testing it completely full of water (not half full as could be done with no-one being the wiser).
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Glyn H on August 08, 2009, 03:27:15 pm
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dont make me laugh omnivacs they are at it

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so omnipole did NOT invent wfp thats why i said dont make me laugh they have a bad reputation on here remember a couple of months back that post went on & on about them. i think they were trying to bum themselfs up saying they invented wfp. not a chance.

Is English your first language?
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: daniel worgan on August 08, 2009, 03:29:03 pm
so omnipole did NOT invent wfp thats why i said dont make me laugh they have a bad reputation on here remember a couple of months back that post went on & on about them. i think they were trying to bum themselfs up saying they invented wfp. not a chance..

I think that was about them claiming to invented the gutter cleaning system.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: windowswashed on August 08, 2009, 06:01:01 pm
Omnipole were the first to bring the backpack over to the Uk. I was one of the first few to buy one at the show.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: wfp master on August 08, 2009, 06:18:40 pm
Omnipole were the first to bring the backpack over to the Uk. I was one of the first few to buy one at the show.
but they never invented th wfp ;D
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: windowswashed on August 08, 2009, 06:27:40 pm
What Omnipole are stating is that they introduced WFP into this country. Tucker Invented it in the states for window cleaning back in the last century.

I have no problems dealing with Omnipole for window cleaning or gutter cleaning equipment. They get slated a lot by members on this forum but they still post replies and try to answer questions. . Alex Gardiner has a huge fan club on this forum if anyone hadn't already noticed and is very popular because of his family's wfp shop and because of his very positive feedback to queries. Alex isn't involved in the shop side of things so much as Glyn and his team, hence why Glyn is probably less diplomatic, but he shouldn't be heckled off of this forum by some wind up merchants who just love to provoke trouble.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Londoner on August 09, 2009, 08:37:09 am
I saw systems being used in the States to clean buildings over 20 years ago. They were all made by Tucker and while they weren't exactly common they were around.

The first system I saw in Britain was in London and that must have been 15 years ago now. It also was a Tucker system.

Both the systems in the States and the first one I saw in London all were connected to the water supply direct and passed the water through a big DI unit.

 The guy in London told me you could regenerate the resin using hydrochloric acid. Has anyone else heard of this? I've often wondered about it since.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: ftp on August 09, 2009, 08:51:45 am
What Omnipole are stating is that they introduced WFP into this country. Tucker Invented it in the states for window cleaning back in the last century.

I have no problems dealing with Omnipole for window cleaning or gutter cleaning equipment. They get slated a lot by members on this forum but they still post replies and try to answer questions. . Alex Gardiner has a huge fan club on this forum if anyone hadn't already noticed and is very popular because of his family's wfp shop and because of his very positive feedback to queries. Alex isn't involved in the shop side of things so much as Glyn and his team, hence why Glyn is probably less diplomatic, but he shouldn't be heckled off of this forum by some wind up merchants who just love to provoke trouble.

The difference is Alex never bites and never makes dubious claims over his products. Glyn on the other hand likes to give the impression that his company invented everything, when a quick web search will turn up some suprising results.
Alex will counter any arguments with a sensible factual reply whereas Glyn likes to treat everyone as an idiot hence Gardiners popularity on here.  :)
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: R W C on August 09, 2009, 08:57:46 am
What Omnipole are stating is that they introduced WFP into this country. Tucker Invented it in the states for window cleaning back in the last century.

I have no problems dealing with Omnipole for window cleaning or gutter cleaning equipment. They get slated a lot by members on this forum but they still post replies and try to answer questions. . Alex Gardiner has a huge fan club on this forum if anyone hadn't already noticed and is very popular because of his family's wfp shop and because of his very positive feedback to queries. Alex isn't involved in the shop side of things so much as Glyn and his team, hence why Glyn is probably less diplomatic, but he shouldn't be heckled off of this forum by some wind up merchants who just love to provoke trouble.

The difference is Alex never bites and never makes dubious claims over his products. Glyn on the other hand likes to give the impression that his company invented everything, when a quick web search will turn up some suprising results.
Alex will counter any arguments with a sensible factual reply whereas Glyn likes to treat everyone as an idiot hence Gardiners popularity on here.  :)

Not saying a word as ill get abused again lol but  ::)   ;)
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: wfp master on August 09, 2009, 11:40:47 am
What Omnipole are stating is that they introduced WFP into this country. Tucker Invented it in the states for window cleaning back in the last century.

I have no problems dealing with Omnipole for window cleaning or gutter cleaning equipment. They get slated a lot by members on this forum but they still post replies and try to answer questions. . Alex Gardiner has a huge fan club on this forum if anyone hadn't already noticed and is very popular because of his family's wfp shop and because of his very positive feedback to queries. Alex isn't involved in the shop side of things so much as Glyn and his team, hence why Glyn is probably less diplomatic, but he shouldn't be heckled off of this forum by some wind up merchants who just love to provoke trouble.

The difference is Alex never bites and never makes dubious claims over his products. Glyn on the other hand likes to give the impression that his company invented everything, when a quick web search will turn up some suprising results.
Alex will counter any arguments with a sensible factual reply whereas Glyn likes to treat everyone as an idiot hence Gardiners popularity on here.  :)
well said i agree 100%..
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Glyn H on August 09, 2009, 03:40:02 pm
Ftp and sfwc

Who are you?

What innovations have you brought to the cleaning industry?

Why dont have contact details on your profiles? Why no websites?

sfwc why do you launch an attack every poster that asks about motor vehicles?

Ftp where did you get the idea to DIY a GutterVac? Did you think of the concept yourself or did you copy our idea?


Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: ftp on August 09, 2009, 04:46:28 pm
Me? I'm from Wiltshire. I choose not to put my website on here 'cos i'm not trying to sell anything. Don't put my contact details as I have no need to. Other suppliers have my contact numbers etc because i've dealt with them. What do you want to know?
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: ftp on August 09, 2009, 04:51:59 pm
Don't know about the brush but the second paragraph is very true.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Alex Gardiner on August 09, 2009, 04:54:40 pm
What Omnipole are stating is that they introduced WFP into this country. Tucker Invented it in the states for window cleaning back in the last century.

I have no problems dealing with Omnipole for window cleaning or gutter cleaning equipment. They get slated a lot by members on this forum but they still post replies and try to answer questions. . Alex Gardiner has a huge fan club on this forum if anyone hadn't already noticed and is very popular because of his family's wfp shop and because of his very positive feedback to queries. Alex isn't involved in the shop side of things so much as Glyn and his team, hence why Glyn is probably less diplomatic, but he shouldn't be heckled off of this forum by some wind up merchants who just love to provoke trouble.

The difference is Alex never bites and never makes dubious claims over his products. Glyn on the other hand likes to give the impression that his company invented everything, when a quick web search will turn up some suprising results.
Alex will counter any arguments with a sensible factual reply whereas Glyn likes to treat everyone as an idiot hence Gardiners popularity on here.  :)




Not exactly true didn’t Alex Gardiner originally say his Bentley brush or the original Super-Lite was made especially for wfp?


A lot of window cleaners owe a lot to all the suppliers and there work and innovations, imported or invented. It’s all to easy for customers to complain over the smallest things and forget without these people being here in the first place you may still be on ladders or just paying more than you do now for there products.   


No.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: leapstallbuildings on August 09, 2009, 05:07:07 pm
That 'someone' is you Alex isn't it?

No it isn't, unfortunately. I only started using poles in 2000 and invested in my first complete set-up in 2001. I had previously been to the US where I had friends who used WFP extensively, but I hadn't yet seen the need for it in my business. I remember being more interested in their automatic adjustable ladder legs  :(


That sounds in the same league as Bill Gates saying that there was no future in the internet Alex.   ;D
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: leapstallbuildings on August 09, 2009, 05:14:41 pm
so omnipole did NOT invent wfp thats why i said dont make me laugh they have a bad reputation on here remember a couple of months back that post went on & on about them. i think they were trying to bum themselfs up saying they invented wfp. not a chance..

Although it's not been perfect, my own experience of Omnipole has been very positive.  I've probably spent more with them than most sole traders (who stick to window cleaning) in recent years and I've been mostly satisfied.  I found the ali poles a bit much for my elbow and shoulder and wasn't so keen that the brush angle can't be altered but, apart from that, things have been OK.  It's hardly their fault that I have a couple of vulnerable joints though some kind of angle adaptor on the brush fitting might be helpful.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: leapstallbuildings on August 09, 2009, 05:19:50 pm
What Omnipole are stating is that they introduced WFP into this country. Tucker Invented it in the states for window cleaning back in the last century.

I have no problems dealing with Omnipole for window cleaning or gutter cleaning equipment. They get slated a lot by members on this forum but they still post replies and try to answer questions. . Alex Gardiner has a huge fan club on this forum if anyone hadn't already noticed and is very popular because of his family's wfp shop and because of his very positive feedback to queries. Alex isn't involved in the shop side of things so much as Glyn and his team, hence why Glyn is probably less diplomatic, but he shouldn't be heckled off of this forum by some wind up merchants who just love to provoke trouble.

Quite agree.  Although Glyn will never win any prizes as a diplomat, he does try to help and participate.
I'm particularly impressed by the fact that it is usually possible to drive to Woodside  Green and get something fixed at very short notice.  That's a service that can be invaluable.  OK, if they are very busy it may not happen on the same day but that's life.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: bad trippy on August 09, 2009, 05:50:38 pm
So who designed it.....as just seen omnivacs post on ebay and they claim to of but i didnt realise this.....
Some bloke who wanted loads of dosh off ya!
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: daniel worgan on August 09, 2009, 09:18:17 pm
Ftp and sfwc

Who are you?

What innovations have you brought to the cleaning industry?

Why dont have contact details on your profiles? Why no websites?

sfwc why do you launch an attack every poster that asks about motor vehicles?

Ftp where did you get the idea to DIY a GutterVac? Did you think of the concept yourself or did you copy our idea?




Well where did you get the idea from,because the original gutter vacuum system was already patented in Usa as previously posted long before you marketed your version?
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Glyn H on August 09, 2009, 11:00:29 pm
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Well where did you get the idea from,because the original gutter vacuum system was already patented in Usa as previously posted long before you marketed your version?
Daniel

You claim to have seen a gutter vacuum system in australia several years before we designed and marketed the Omni-GutterVac in 2001. 
To say you were slow spotting an exciting innovation is an understatement, is this the reason why most of your posts relate to the GutterVac? Dreaming of what could have been

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh9oO5gKc-g&feature=related
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: daniel worgan on August 10, 2009, 07:13:22 am
Glyn....you should be a politician.You allways avoid answering a question that is put to you but allways come back with sarcasm.
Yes i did see a gutter cleaning system in Australia,way before you marketed your product.I had no intentions of marketing the product myself ...why should i have at that time i had no interests in the gutter cleaning business,and still dont really .I dont look at everything and think to myself...oh quick lets produce that....
It has been shown on here before that way back in the seventies a patent was applied and granted in the USA for a vacuum related gutter cleaning system...so even if i did see a system in Australia in the early nineties that still would not have been a new invention.
Dont go on about patents applied for in differant countries as you did before,the fact is that the gutter vacuuming system was invented a long time ago....but you have a hard time admitting it.
So in answer to your ridicule about how slow i was spotting an exciting innovation and dreaming of what could have been,well i admit to not having the slightest interest in doing so.
Perhaps you will answer once and for all....where did you get the idea from....
I doubt you will come back with a straight answer
I'll vote for you in the next election if you stand.....

Sorry i couldn't find a suitable youtube video .
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: wfp master on August 10, 2009, 12:21:52 pm
Ftp and sfwc

Who are you?

What innovations have you brought to the cleaning industry?

Why dont have contact details on your profiles? Why no websites?

sfwc why do you launch an attack every poster that asks about motor vehicles?

Ftp where did you get the idea to DIY a GutterVac? Did you think of the concept yourself or did you copy our idea?



glyn i am from scotland lovely place. i dont have a web site as i have enough work dont need any more. dont wamt to put contact details on here no need to. about the motor vehicles iasked if it was a van forum dont think that was an attack. inventions well i had hand in inventing the w. f. p. honestly  ;)  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Glyn H on August 10, 2009, 06:04:27 pm
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I'll vote for you in the next election if you stand....

Your not the first to say this.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: daniel worgan on August 10, 2009, 08:51:33 pm
Yep...i just knew what the reply would be.... ::)
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: wizard on September 29, 2009, 08:51:09 pm
Glyn please mate grow up before you grow old, You will have a hearty attach soon. And we will miss your tantrums.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Window Washers on September 29, 2009, 08:57:52 pm
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The Omni Gutter Vac is the latest brain child of the company that brought you water fed pole window cleaning back in 1997 (now the method of choice for all commercial window cleaners and a great proportion of domestic window cleaners).

"BROUGHT YOU WFP BACK IN 1997 "this is a factual statement
No one apart from Craig Mawlem and ourselves had used or even  heard of WFP type cleaning in the UK then.


Why the **** am I bothering explaining.
I have done backgrund on this and find this to be a true statment Glyn made above.
I have spoken to Craig a couple of times and the words match up.

Glyn, dont raise to it  ;)
Oh and thanks for the poem the other day and gift   :-*  :-X lol
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: karlosdaze on September 29, 2009, 11:52:04 pm
I think it may be Tucker

Albert & Herman from Detroit
http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.com/2008/02/first-water-fed-pole.html
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Ravensford on September 30, 2009, 09:13:33 am
I suppose you could re-write a lot of history if you delved deeper. Whilst I'm not disputing the evidence, why did this company not become the world leaders in wfp? Could it be that it simply did not work without de-ionised water or pure water.

Bit like one of those early pioneers that claimed to have invented a flying machine that didn't actually fly!  ;D

They can patent any design they wish - it doesn't actually have to work.

I suppose the concept was there but not as we know it (with pure).
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: matt on September 30, 2009, 10:52:12 pm
sfwc wrote
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dont make me laugh omnivacs they are at it


Could someone please translate the above as I am not sure if this a compliment or a slur.


come on glyn

you dont come on here for a compliment  ;) it can only be one thing  ;D
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: MoemGorod on October 01, 2009, 01:31:55 pm
What Omnipole are stating is that they introduced WFP into this country. Tucker Invented it in the states for window cleaning back in the last century.

I have no problems dealing with Omnipole for window cleaning or gutter cleaning equipment. They get slated a lot by members on this forum but they still post replies and try to answer questions. . Alex Gardiner has a huge fan club on this forum if anyone hadn't already noticed and is very popular because of his family's wfp shop and because of his very positive feedback to queries. Alex isn't involved in the shop side of things so much as Glyn and his team, hence why Glyn is probably less diplomatic, but he shouldn't be heckled off of this forum by some wind up merchants who just love to provoke trouble.

+1

We contacted Omnipole 19 months ago dreaming to start the first WFP project in Russia (window cleaning & equipment supplier company). We are very experienced in distribution, importing and sales activities, but it was really difficuilt for us to understand the potential supplier. As a results, we are SO happy, that we started to "creat" WFP market in Russia and CIS with Gardiner Pole System. We are very satisfied with the results and very grateful to Alex, to his knowlegies and patience as well.

So for the same future discussion in Russia "Who was 1st in Russia?" the answer is Alex. indeed.

Thank you Alex.

warmest regards.

Vadim
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Glyn H on October 01, 2009, 04:37:50 pm
Vadim
I am not sure who or how  you contacted us at Omnipole.
I was certainly unaware of any contact from you which is unfortunate as I  have a particular interest in St Petersburg as some of my ancestors came from there.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: daniel worgan on October 02, 2009, 07:35:34 am
Omnipolesky of St Petersburg.....
Recommended by the KGB.... ;D
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: MoemGorod on October 02, 2009, 08:49:33 am
Omnipolesky of St Petersburg.....
Recommended by the KGB.... ;D

Dan, dont think that is wise and polite. At least not funny. Sorry.

Vadim
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Gleaming windows on October 02, 2009, 09:03:48 am
Its the English sense of humour Moem.

I shall apologise for him, he's a bit stupid, his Daddy built his swing too close to the wall  ;D

   
Его английский юмор Моэм.

Я должна извиниться за него, он немного глупым, его папа построили качели его слишком близко к стене
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: stephen s on October 02, 2009, 09:16:59 am
So who designed it.....as just seen omnivacs post on ebay and they claim to of but i didnt realise this.....











some bloke
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: MoemGorod on October 02, 2009, 09:48:53 am
his Daddy built his swing too close to the wall

Great, Matt. There are no such cool phrase in Russian. I'll collect it for chance. Really funny. Thanks.

Vadim
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Sean Dyer on October 02, 2009, 09:52:25 am
Its the English sense of humour Moem.

I shall apologise for him, he's a bit stupid, his Daddy built his swing too close to the wall  ;D

   

ive nearly spit my drink over cpu, thats a corker, im gonna use it first chance i get lol
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Gleaming windows on October 02, 2009, 01:04:56 pm
Its the English sense of humour Moem.

I shall apologise for him, he's a bit stupid, his Daddy built his swing too close to the wall  ;D

   

ive nearly spit my drink over cpu, thats a corker, im gonna use it first chance i get lol

I said that to a bird in a nightclub once about the swing being too close to the wall, refering to her mong face, after I had asked her how much she charged.

I got a drink thrown over me at that point  :-\
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Gleaming windows on October 02, 2009, 01:11:07 pm
Ha ha ha, lighten up, cant you see a joke when its right in front of you.

Mr HARDMAN!!

Chill out Mr Farty Pants

(http://coolblue.typepad.com/photos/memorial_day_2004/clown.jpg)
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: daniel worgan on October 02, 2009, 01:21:11 pm
Just my english sense of humour showing again matt.... ;D
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Gleaming windows on October 02, 2009, 01:21:44 pm
Muppet ;D


Yea, save your grief for Glyn  ;D
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: daniel worgan on October 02, 2009, 01:24:59 pm
ok twat... ;D
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: daniel worgan on October 02, 2009, 01:25:37 pm
fool.....who wrote fool? ;D
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: daniel worgan on October 02, 2009, 01:26:57 pm
Omnipolesky of St Petersburg.....
Recommended by the KGB.... ;D

Dan, dont think that is wise and polite. At least not funny. Sorry.

Vadim

Dont they sell sense of humour over in old Ruskie land?
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: MoemGorod on October 02, 2009, 01:29:31 pm
Back to the subject of this topic with the WFP history is the most interesting and helpful info Ive read here for the last 18 months. Thanx to initial post of RWC and  karlosdaze, Alex, Ravensford ... and Matt Bateman for the good humour as well.

I even use this info for my website: http://moemgorod.com/index.php?ukey=news&blog_id=14

regards,

Vadim
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Gleaming windows on October 02, 2009, 01:30:04 pm
Its English sense of humour.

Translate a Guurmann joke into English, you'll go 'What....?'

I lived in Denmark for a year or so, couldnt get the sense of humour.
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: Gleaming windows on October 02, 2009, 01:31:33 pm
Back to the subject of this topic with the WFP history is the most interesting and helpful Ive read here for the last 18 months. Thanx to initial post of RWC and  karlosdaze, Alex, Ravensford ...

I even use this info for my website: http://moemgorod.com/index.php?ukey=news&blog_id=14

regards,

Vadim

Thats an interesting link there Moem. Thanks.

Revealing, and informative.

Matt
Title: Re: who designed WFP
Post by: MoemGorod on October 02, 2009, 02:42:46 pm
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