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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jlo on July 30, 2009, 01:49:36 pm

Title: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: jlo on July 30, 2009, 01:49:36 pm
Ok Guys,

Having done, the NCCA course in June, day out with a v.good cc'er (you know who you are!) and become an avid reader of this site, I am ready to make my purchase.
Or am I?

It's a toss up between 3 machines, here are my thoughts.......

Powr- Flite perfect heat (have read stories of chinese motors though!)

Steam pro powerplus 500 (not heard anyone mention this machine)

Airflex pro (600 psi version- sounds v.good)

Whilst I have read & heard of other machines I feel inclined not to list them as I don't want to give bad feedback based on other peoples finding & not my own, especially as I am a newbie. Though I wish to hear of your expert opinions.

I am Midlands based, so will be looking for local supplier with back up for spares etc for whichever machine I choose.
Due to my budget I will be looking to lease (but to own outright afterwards),but to spend initially on all the other equip & chemicals, sebo vac, duo, groomers etc etc etc..

Thanks in advance for your responses :)

Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Darren O on July 30, 2009, 02:22:52 pm
Ive got the Powerflight 1350 its a cracking machine if you like a lot of heat then you will love it also had to replace a vacuum motor after 3 months dont no why they started to fit cheap vacs in them even if i had to replace 1 vac a year i would still be happy as they are only £75+vat also Amtech sell a dearer vac that fits it to so thats another option.Ive also got the smaller version of the powerplus its a good machine to the only thing that lets it down is the inline heater that comes with it at extra cost it struggles to heat the water at 120psi so using anything above that i take it it would be worse maybe worth a punt looking at the Airflex.
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: jlo on July 30, 2009, 04:01:20 pm
Thanks Darren, I do like the look of the Airflex & it's special features. Will be nipping up to Cleansmart when the boss is back.
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: richy27 on July 30, 2009, 04:14:46 pm
i also like darren have the powerflite as you know i really get on well with it. although i think the new airflex looks impressive and looks easy to maintain.
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Cathedral Floorcare on July 30, 2009, 04:18:00 pm
I've had a demo of the Airflex Turbo, looks good, is easy to maintain, runs up to 600psi and the internal set up looks well designed. I like the fact that you can hook up 2" inch hose too. It's lacking the inline heater at the mo', but that looks like it might be on the way soon. If it had auto pump out I'd mount it in my van with a fresh water tank, that way I could be either porty or baby tm.
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: John Kelly on July 30, 2009, 04:33:36 pm
Please be aware that lease deals are hard to come by now unless you are established for more than 2 years. If a supplier offers his own lease deal then that may not be a problem but if through a finance company you may struggle.
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: jlo on July 30, 2009, 05:00:46 pm
Hi John,

Regarding leasing companies, on the NCCA course along with all the flyers etc there was a leaflet with some leasing company for new companies setting up in cc'ing. Will give them a call to see what they have to say.
Cannot wait for the main man at Cleansmart to return from his Hols, I am chomping at the bit now to get the equip & start honing my skills on vunerable friends & family.
Bought the van 2 wks ago & just sold the family car to hopefully help towards equipment to get me going.
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus) on July 30, 2009, 05:09:49 pm
Personally if I was a start-up and knowing what is available now I would go for the Alltec triple-vac 600 psi or the 1200psi, then I could do hard floors as well......... just my opinion


Steve
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: daysdeepclean on July 30, 2009, 05:44:49 pm
I am one lucky sod as I have the Alltec TV 600 psi and it's an impressive bit of kit.... I hope to get into hard floor cleaning in the near future....
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Simon Gerrard on July 30, 2009, 06:13:12 pm
Ok, someone has to say it, so it might as well be me. >:(
Why not go the whole hog and invest in a Truck Mount?

Here's why. (Hang on......................................................ok, flak jacket and bullet proof vest on now!

A Truck Mount is far more powerful than any portable.
A Truck Mount looks far more professional than a portable.
A Truck Mount is far faster than a portable and so can earn you more money per day / week/ year.
A Truck Mount you can do almost any kind of job, domestic, small commercial, large commercial and therefore you will have far more of the market to aim at, instead of the very limited market a portable will give you. This is a point lots of newbies miss when starting out and end up restricting themselves to the domestic market which in these recessionary times is not a good idea. ( I know portables can do commercial jobs  but often the time taken to complete the work is unacceptable to the customer and the performance of the machine severely limits the speed with which you can do big jobs)
A Truck produces a far better result and leaves the carpet a lot drier, even on the dirtiest of jobs.
A Truck Mount in the right hands can practically print money.

Right, I'm off to hide in a corner somewhere.... bye! :-X
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Dave Preece on July 30, 2009, 06:23:55 pm
do people still buy truck mounts?
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: richy27 on July 30, 2009, 06:25:55 pm
I am one lucky sod as I have the Alltec TV 600 psi and it's an impressive bit of kit.... I hope to get into hard floor cleaning in the near future....

colin whats the heat like on the alltec heard it takes sometime to heat up. and whats it like at say 70 ft is it hot enough.
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: clinton on July 30, 2009, 06:29:24 pm
Might need a heat exchanger for v high heat ???


Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: daysdeepclean on July 30, 2009, 06:52:11 pm
By the time I've set up, pre vac'd, pre spray'd with M/S, aggitated and left to dwell, the temp guage is showing 60-70 C.... Don't think the temp drops much but I'm only running 50 feet.... To be completely honest, I can't really see why that would really matter ???

Today, the solution hose on my hide a hose split with the heat and extra pressure (Outside the custy's house fortunately!)
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: cleaningmaster on July 30, 2009, 07:06:32 pm
do people still buy truck mounts?

Only the sensible ones ;)

Regards

Daryl
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: daysdeepclean on July 30, 2009, 07:12:25 pm
Ok, someone has to say it, so it might as well be me. >:(
Why not go the whole hog and invest in a Truck Mount?

Here's why. (Hang on......................................................ok, flak jacket and bullet proof vest on now!

A Truck Mount is far more powerful than any portable.
A Truck Mount looks far more professional than a portable.
A Truck Mount is far faster than a portable and so can earn you more money per day / week/ year.
A Truck Mount you can do almost any kind of job, domestic, small commercial, large commercial and therefore you will have far more of the market to aim at, instead of the very limited market a portable will give you. This is a point lots of newbies miss when starting out and end up restricting themselves to the domestic market which in these recessionary times is not a good idea. ( I know portables can do commercial jobs  but often the time taken to complete the work is unacceptable to the customer and the performance of the machine severely limits the speed with which you can do big jobs)
A Truck produces a far better result and leaves the carpet a lot drier, even on the dirtiest of jobs.
A Truck Mount in the right hands can practically print money.

Right, I'm off to hide in a corner somewhere.... bye! :-X

You're right though..... I would say that if you have the money, go the whole hog!
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Joe H on July 30, 2009, 07:19:59 pm

Today, the solution hose on my hide a hose split with the heat and extra pressure (Outside the custy's house fortunately!)

You do have to be careful when you are mixing equipment originally supplied with lower pressure machines, then use that same equipment at a higher pressure with your "new" machine.  As you found out.
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: daysdeepclean on July 30, 2009, 07:23:48 pm
I was lucky, I knew the risk and got away with it..... It could so easily have been a buggered leather sofa or freshly painted walls covered in solution.....
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: derek west on July 30, 2009, 07:24:44 pm
theres a lot of portable guys out there printing money,and  theres more than one way to skin a cat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC7LaYb31R8

enjoy

derek
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Simon Gerrard on July 30, 2009, 07:41:32 pm
Yes, but bonnet cleaning systems are only any good on lightly soiled carpet and so if you opt for a system like that you severely limit your market which to me is just plain crazy.

Simon
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Ricky M on July 30, 2009, 08:31:13 pm
Tm is the way to go Ive tried 1 albeit only for 3 days but they wipe the floor with a porty
they make a porty look like feather duster  and the clients rave about the speed and the results 
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Len Gribble on July 30, 2009, 08:54:08 pm
Ricky

Yeh right! ::)

Len
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Pristine Clean on July 30, 2009, 08:59:57 pm
Don't entirely agree that TM's rule.

Lots of reasons for and against and lots a commercial places are hot on security and do not err lets rephrase will NOT have the doors and windows open!

Access can be limited with TM's

And as for TM's giving the best all over... I dont agree again. You do not need all that power to clean effectively. There just big machines that come from the USA.

Its kind of like buying a farrari when all you need is a Vauxall.

The only thing I agree on is replenishing the water supply. And there is a way round that with portys and that fit a ball valves and run another pipe to continue the flow of water.  

I have also won work from companies, who do not like TM's. I have also seen work done with TMs and also seen workmanship of TMs so if the operator is no good a £25,000 TM's wont help.

Its all down to knowledge and the right chemicals and indeed the skill of the technician

There are a few franchise carpet cleaners with BIG tm's and we have been called in to rectify the work. Its just some customers do not actually complain enough to call them back.


The guys with TM's have to say they are better! You spent more money.. you need to find away to get over the initial shock of spending all that money. When there was no need.


I have used TM's as well.


Dave
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on July 30, 2009, 09:33:13 pm
Rectifying problems with truckmount users is rare usually it's the porty users that give carpet cleaners a bad name by wetting things through, TM users can often over sell the power and that's when you get customers that are unhappy.

A TM is far more productive that's where you win, accessability is only a problem if you want it to be, I don't have a problem and have been using TM's for 10 years.

Shaun
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: derek west on July 30, 2009, 09:41:00 pm
on low profile carpet tiles, bonnetting wins hands down.

truckmounts aren't the B all and end all.

derek
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: daysdeepclean on July 30, 2009, 09:44:39 pm
Rectifying problems with truckmount users is rare usually it's the porty users that give carpet cleaners a bad name by wetting things through, TM users can often over sell the power and that's when you get customers that are unhappy.

A TM is far more productive that's where you win, accessability is only a problem if you want it to be, I don't have a problem and have been using TM's for 10 years.

Shaun


Don't most TM users own a Porty anyway?
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on July 30, 2009, 09:49:49 pm
No.

Never again.

Shaun
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: daysdeepclean on July 30, 2009, 10:05:03 pm
I just thought that if your van's knackered, you're prettty buggered..... A porty will transfer to another van in seconds :D
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Ricky M on July 30, 2009, 10:20:03 pm
on low profile carpet tiles, bonnetting wins hands down.

truckmounts aren't the B all and end all.

derek

did a large sports centre with low profile tiles ( in a really bad way ) I tried lots of bonnet systems but still found they need HWE as well to get a good job
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on July 30, 2009, 10:40:15 pm
Bonnets are great but when you get solid soil like black top then you are buggered or ink stains etc, you do need both systems no point of having just one.

Colin if your van breaks down do you have another van to put the other carpet cleaning stuff in? also a TM is so productive that you can work longer the day after to catch up.

Shaun
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: daysdeepclean on July 30, 2009, 10:51:06 pm
Shaun, I'm not trying to knock TM's, I would buy one tomorrow!
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: derek west on July 30, 2009, 10:55:15 pm
i agree you need both, TM and bonnet to do a proper job, thats why i'm after a bonnetting system.
pointless TM'ing and filthy com carpet if you can't maintain for less.
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Simon Gerrard on July 30, 2009, 11:12:32 pm
I've had Truck Mounts in all of there forms for twenty odd years, having used portables for some years prior to that. In that time we have clean carpets in every town and city in the country, including Oxford Street, London and NEVER had a problem with access, even in the tallest of buildings and the busiest of cities.
Some portable operators always come up with these clichéd excuses for not offering their customers the very best technology on the market today. Don't get me wrong, a portable in the right hands can do a great job, there's no question about that. The trouble is, a Truck Mount in the right hands can not only do a great job, but can do a great deal of great jobs while the portable guy is left humping his machine into jobs, emptying it, filling it, re-filling it and humping it back into the van again.
People who invest tens of thousands of pounds in Truck Mounts aren't fools, we don't do it just to have the biggest, shiniest toys at our disposal, we do it because we are committed professionals and competent business people who recognise the sheer financial sense in having a system that in most cases is faster and more efficient and does a far better job than your average portable.
I haven't always operated TM's, in my early years we used twin vac portables which to be fair did a job, (otherwise we wouldn't have remained in business) but having made the quantum leap to Truck Mount our business took a giant leap forward and has continued to go forward with the the very latest Truck Mount developments that have opened up markets that are simply impossible to contemplate with a portable, even with a whole fleet of portables.
But.....having done the humping, the filling and the emptying for all those years, I've only got one word to say to you portable operators. RESPECT!!!!

Simon

Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on July 30, 2009, 11:19:43 pm
Colin I think most cleaners want TM's but I was just answering or making a point of where there is a will there's a way, you have near as damn got there just the next upgrade will be an expensive one so make sure you have the cash and a regular flow of customers.

Shaun

PS Start putting your kids spending money in that big whisky bottle now, the kids get far too much spent on them anyway ;D
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: MartinJordan on July 31, 2009, 12:00:44 am
Simon,

You have far too much time on your hands
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Gary Webber on July 31, 2009, 07:55:05 am
I Think your views are totally blinkered.

I dont want a truckmount nor do I aspire to wanting a truckmount. I want a RANGE of systems that allow me to carry out work across a range of carpets/areas from low profile tiles to shagpiles/saxony. You may believe a truckmount does all this MANY dont.

As stated before, you could have the best machine in the world, but if you dont know what you are doing it is useless against good competition.

Gary
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Buster Ingram on July 31, 2009, 08:23:20 am
That's one way of looking at it Gary, so why don't all top executive drive around in Fiat 500's  they are cars the same as Mercs and BM's they get you from A to B ::)
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Simon Gerrard on July 31, 2009, 01:15:07 pm
Gary,
I've never come across anyone who can't clean any type of carpet with a Truck Mount, clearly you have, but then you've had the misfortune of talking to people who don't have one, or haven't even experienced one first hand and knock them purely on the basis of ignorance, or in some cases jealousy.
There are other options, as you quite rightly point out, most of them are considerably cheaper than a Truck Mount, so why do so many people take the more expensive option?
You say this is a blinkered view which suggests that TM owners invest in their machines purely on the basis of ignorance of what else is available as an alternative and blindly shell out tens of thousands of pounds on equipment they simply don't need, which is ludicrous.

But it wouldn't do for us all to think the same, so hats off to you!

Simon
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Pristine Clean on July 31, 2009, 01:25:01 pm
I Think your views are totally blinkered.

I dont want a truckmount nor do I aspire to wanting a truckmount. I want a RANGE of systems that allow me to carry out work across a range of carpets/areas from low profile tiles to shagpiles/saxony. You may believe a truckmount does all this MANY dont.

As stated before, you could have the best machine in the world, but if you dont know what you are doing it is useless against good competition.

Gary

Well Done Gary!

I agree. Had a customer call today and asked about types of cleaning, I was going to say Just HWE, with a poor little Porty!

But she interupted me and said I want Dry Cleaning!!!!

Ahhh I said well with all the MONEY I saved on my RHINO 500psi only for £950+vat  I have managed to get a great deal from http://www.aandmcs.co.uk on an E30 ENVIRODRI SYSTEM...

Got such a good deal I cant say how much! But with the money I saved I am looking onto another product! No John, Lee dont call me! You guys will make me skint!

So can a TM do DRI CLEANING? Er No!!!!

So Variety is better than just 10,000 on a TM. I got the work sheer luck really!

Dave
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Mike Osbourne on July 31, 2009, 01:40:28 pm
Dave

Are you a real carpet cleaner or a professional plugger for A&M? You seem to spend more time plugging a&m than doing any cleaning.

Many on here will remember Simon's marathon TM thread a while ago before he got banned LOL

Anyway that was what probably 'turned' me in the end along with going out on a TM cleaning job.

Once you start using one I think you would have to be pretty desperate to go back to a portable as your main machine.

As regards range, I think most TM owners have a pad system and a portable and a hardfloor wand etc so really they have more a RANGE than someone without a TM.

The downsides are fuel (just put your price up), if it or your van breaksdown you're a bit stuck, occasionally access adds significantly to job time, noise is an issue in certain circumstances and it's not percieved as being very green. Oh and if you are in Scotland, Cornwall is a bloody long way.
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: clinton on July 31, 2009, 01:46:24 pm
Mike

Bet your also counting all the money now you own a license to print money machine ;D
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Mike Osbourne on July 31, 2009, 01:51:59 pm
Yes and a day off to send out marketing letters (bum around on the forums  ;D)

Try to install Colour laser printer, laptop says it's a MP3 player  ;D
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Simon Gerrard on July 31, 2009, 01:56:41 pm
Dave,
So you got one dry cleaning job! The reason most people ask for dry cleaning as opposed to wet cleaning is because last time they had a wet clean their carpet was wet for days and when it finally dried out it look no better than before and so won't entertain wet cleaning again.
When you question them further you find the last guy turned up with a mickey mouse machine, soaked the carpet, took the money and left.

I know there are lots of guy's who operate portable machines who do a great job and have built successful business that way. The trouble is there are many others who simply buy the cheapest possible machine and without a days training set up as carpet cleaners and do untold damage to the reputation of the carpet cleaning industry. Once bitten, twice shy, people tar all portable operators with the same brush and it is a constant fight to persuade people that they are in safe hands. One of the great advantages of a Truck Mount is perception. People see these big, powerful machines and learn that you have invested up to £50,000 in it and their reluctance to trust a carpet cleaner again fades away. And when they see the results, they are yours for life. Not just because you did a fantastic job that exceeded all of their expectations but because they've learned to trust you and having the trust of your customers is a really big thing when trying to build a successful business.

Simon
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: clinton on July 31, 2009, 02:02:33 pm
Mike

Hope thats all your doing ;)

Il mail you over the weekend to catch up :)
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Gary Webber on July 31, 2009, 02:14:11 pm
Simon,

You really are blinkered.

You believe that having a truckmount and all that investment leads to trust and they are yours for life! I have customers who have been with me since I have started and customers I have picked up from previously truckmounted operators. If you think its only porty operators that can do a crap job then think again!

You are still in this belief that a truckmount is god and it isnt. its a machine for cleaning, the operator IS the important issue. These things arent computer operated, they are in need of skilled manual operators.

as regards I am taking my views from talking to people and not first hand knowledge shows pure ignorance on your part, as I have used MOST  types system around.of regards jelousy, wow I'm jelous of someone who wants to spend the best part of £20k plus on a system that I can compete with.

Gary
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Dave_Lee on July 31, 2009, 02:24:19 pm
Sorry Gary, but high end TMs like the Titan and the Thermal Wave Vortec with 5 series blowers, 3,000psi pumps and 69HP available as well as Heat and operators with 30 years experience, any portable user no matter how good he is, cannot compete.
Dave.
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Simon Gerrard on July 31, 2009, 02:47:29 pm
Gary,
So Truck Mount operators are blinkered in their approach to buying equipment? We spend all of that money on state-of-the-art equipment, but it is no better than cleaning systems that cost a fraction of that investment? You must think we are all stupid, or at least that is what your 'blinkered' comment tends to suggest.

Our latest Truck Mount is the Hydramaster Titan 875, powered by a 1.6 litre fuel injected engine that represents an investment of over £50,000 and can run three RX20's simultaneously with up to 1,000 feet of hoses. The heat exchange system can deliver a constant 230 degrees of heat to three RX20's at up to nine litres per minute. The system can clean 1600 square yards of carpet in four hours or five pieces of upholstery at the same time. You can compete with that can you?
Where I do agree with you is that the skill of the operator is paramount and as in everything there are the good the bad and the downright awful.
Let's not get into a slanging match here, you have obviously chosen your business model, as have I and everyone else who does something from a different angle than the rest. That doesn't mean that anyone one of us is right, or wrong, it's just that we've each chosen to do things our own way, for our own reasons and the fact that we have built successful business is the bit we have in common.

Simon

Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Mike Osbourne on July 31, 2009, 02:48:02 pm
Clinton

I've been doing some nasty nasty business.

Cold Calling. :(
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: clinton on July 31, 2009, 03:20:52 pm
Mike

That sounds hard mate and if your getting any work from it i take my hat off to you.

Its a hard job even leafleting an area never mind door knocking ::)

How did it go ???

Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: Gary Webber on August 01, 2009, 06:50:30 am
Simon before I end this,

3 EMV201 machines, set up with 3 TC150/170 and 3 operators, 250 square metres per hour each. 750 square metres per hour equates to 3000 square metres in four hours. With machines set to extract at the same time we can clean 3/4 seats at the same time! Compete with it, no blow it away YES!

Fantasy, not really, Office block cleaned last week

Bye Bye

Gary.
Title: Re: NARROWED IT TO 3 MACHINES!!!!
Post by: stevie wonder on August 01, 2009, 08:18:36 am
I own a powermax 2times 3 stage vac and 100 psi,and a cfr 500 recycling machine with 2times 2 stage vacs and 500 psi,both fantastic machines.Ive used the powermax on very bad pub carpets spraying  and extracting hot power burst came up a dream and plenty of suck,but you do have to fill up a few times,this machine is also great on curtains with my cfr tool.The cfr perfect heat is also brilliant.Fill it up with 50 litres  of solution
choose prespray for job.I use a normal wand and I can clean my 3 bed semi top to bottom on one tank and onlyi use 200 ps1 max so I dont overwet.
PS. Im selling my cfr perfect heat with low hours wand and tools chemicals spare lid all in very good condition instruction  manual.All parts are easily available from amtech,super fast delivery.Its a big machine but easy to load.Check it out on http://www.cleansmartsupplies.co.uk/acatalog/CFR_perfect_heat.html.1100
steve@polarcleanitall.com.