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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: groundhog on July 22, 2009, 06:09:46 pm

Title: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: groundhog on July 22, 2009, 06:09:46 pm
Any ideas how much a window cleaning business worth £50k per year for one man, would be worth if put up for sale?
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: Slash on July 22, 2009, 06:11:43 pm
I would imagine three times that so £150000 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: R W C on July 22, 2009, 06:13:26 pm
lol so its going to take the buyer 3 years before making money  :D
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: macmac on July 22, 2009, 06:16:26 pm
15 to 20k
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: R W C on July 22, 2009, 06:16:32 pm
Id of said between 5x ,8x the monthly.
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: AuRavelling79 on July 22, 2009, 06:18:22 pm
If you are making 50K turnover as a one man band I think that is a very good round. If it was kosher, genuine and stood up to inspection I reckon I would pay £25K for that ... preferably in 4 instalments over a year.

As a seller I would want it up front but would prolly have to negotiate.
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: Clive McDonald on July 22, 2009, 06:27:17 pm
Three times four is twelve.
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: Ian_Giles on July 22, 2009, 06:33:25 pm
I'd agree with Malc, if it was well established and everything about it stood up to careful inspection then it would surely be worth half it's annual turnover.

Were it a round just built up over the last few weeks via a roundbuilder then I'd personally be very wary of even paying 3 times it's monthly value.

Also, is it only 50k for some guy who works like a trojan and can knock out 10 houses an hour!!

I wouldn't want less than 50% of my round's annual turnover should I ever feel the need to sell it, but there are so many variables to consider; like how experienced a window cleaner is the buyer? Or, does he use WFP?
If it was a total newbie then he would probably lose a lot of the business through his inexperience, and it would take him several months to get up to a reasonable standard and speed level.

If a round of that value was offered to me, and I wanted to expand my business and it ticked all the boxes then I'd certainly consider paying out 25k for it, possibly along the lines of some form of monthly payment over an agreed period of time...

Ian
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: Darren O on July 22, 2009, 06:36:21 pm
Up here in Scotland you could get 50k for it.
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: birdymiller on July 22, 2009, 06:51:03 pm
You had enough groundhog
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: martinsadie on July 22, 2009, 07:24:01 pm
its only worth what someone is willing to pay
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: Moderator David@stives on July 22, 2009, 08:42:14 pm
Sell it as a business including phone numbers etc.

You should expect at least  2 times the annual net profit or else it isnt worth selling

Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: Gordon Saunders on July 22, 2009, 08:57:19 pm
if i was to ever sell my round i would only accept full payment up front and would look for at least 5x monthly turnover.
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: Sapphire Window Cleaning on July 22, 2009, 09:27:35 pm
The average around here is 3-4 times the monthly.
8x someone said, you got more chance of finding rocking-horse poo than getting 8x the monthly.
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: ftp on July 22, 2009, 09:42:56 pm
Who actually would buy a round of that value?
Can't see anyone with redundancy pay willing to risk it all on something they have never tried. No newbie will have the funds. As a business it's probably cheap but who would buy it?
Mine's not to that level yet but what I have hasn't cost me a penny up to last week.
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: ronnie paton on July 22, 2009, 09:50:15 pm
why buy??

cause you could employee some one and still earn money for doing next to nothing, you wouldnt but it cash you would get fianace so you would still be earning money
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: ftp on July 22, 2009, 09:53:26 pm
I see.
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: Dean Taberner on July 22, 2009, 10:05:54 pm
I dont want to put a downer on this,

But is this thread for real?

If you could honestly earn £50k per year with no hassle of employing,

Would you really be looking to sell?

Even if you were getting on abit surely itd be better to employ and take a back seat.

A fair price for a decent round is monthly x 4 but would you really be willing to sell this lifestyle for £16k??

I wouldnt

Dean
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: mr D on July 22, 2009, 10:11:23 pm
I plan to sell mine in 5 years so I'm taking some one on with the intention of offering them it. that way they will know what there buying and have a valid interest in helping it grow so in 5 years they will have a better round.

Am I mad you tell me.
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: Dean Taberner on July 22, 2009, 10:17:34 pm
Mr D,

What is your age?

Dean
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: mr D on July 22, 2009, 10:23:26 pm
29 why do you ask? looking for a job? lol
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: Dean Taberner on July 22, 2009, 10:27:45 pm
Mr D you are mad,

Do not sell,

I repeat do not sell.

You are the same age as myself,

Itd take a stupid amount for me to sell up.

Especially at 34. Employ and build!!!

Do you have any other plan may I ask?  Im sure you have.

Dean
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: groundhog on July 22, 2009, 10:47:47 pm
Blimey! I wasn't expecting so many replies!! I just chose the 50k example as it is a nice round number. I was just wondering how viable it was to make money by building up good rounds and then selling them off as complete busineses with a van and equipment every couple of years or so. This is because I am very motivated when building the business, but once it is built I start to lose motivation a bit at times. But if all I could get was 25k, its not worth even considering, 100k and I would definately take it!

Perhaps I should start employing, but I provide a high quality service for which I charge a good price, and every employee I've had has needed to be watched constantly as they just don't seem bothered if the windows are actually clean or not!  :-\
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: peter holley on July 22, 2009, 11:33:14 pm
Blimey! I wasn't expecting so many replies!! I just chose the 50k example as it is a nice round number. I was just wondering how viable it was to make money by building up good rounds and then selling them off as complete busineses with a van and equipment every couple of years or so. This is because I am very motivated when building the business, but once it is built I start to lose motivation a bit at times. But if all I could get was 25k, its not worth even considering, 100k and I would definately take it!

Perhaps I should start employing, but I provide a high quality service for which I charge a good price, and every employee I've had has needed to be watched constantly as they just don't seem bothered if the windows are actually clean or not!  :-\


;) ;) ;) ;)


Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: mr D on July 23, 2009, 12:20:19 am
Mr D you are mad,

Do not sell,

I repeat do not sell.

You are the same age as myself,

Itd take a stupid amount for me to sell up.

Especially at 34. Employ and build!!!

Do you have any other plan may I ask?  Im sure you have.

Dean

you may be right but i cant disscuss on a public forum.
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy) on July 23, 2009, 03:02:31 pm
50k worth of work?....you would pay half of that to buy it if it was good paying work with no dodgy custies.

you would then employ somebody to do that work and pay him half of the value, ie 25k a year....in year one you make nothing., but every year after that you make 25k for doing very little. 8)

very good investment. ;)
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: ronnie paton on July 23, 2009, 03:53:15 pm
how about changing the question.............how much would you all sell your own rounds for??????
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: groundhog on July 23, 2009, 08:44:23 pm
Ok thanks guys! I have come to the conclusion that selling my round is a bad idea, unless someone offered me a very good price!! I need to find a really good employee!! anyone know where I can find one?? ???
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: ronnie paton on July 23, 2009, 09:33:36 pm
how about changing the question.............how much would you all sell your own rounds for??????
no reply???

the reason is no one in there right mind woyld sell a good round for one man doing 50k for 15k they wouldnt do it cause its not worth it to them......so i think its worth a hell of a lot more
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: groundhog on July 24, 2009, 12:48:04 am
how about changing the question.............how much would you all sell your own rounds for??????

I wouldn't sell a 50k a year round for anything less than 50k, even then I would have to think long and hard about it. I think if done right it could be worth far more, I was talking about selling my round as a complete ready to go business.. with a sign written van, equipment, business cards, flyers, and all well established customers, also a manual detailing everything. I think that the right person would be prepared to pay good money for a ready made business like that!
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: mr D on July 24, 2009, 01:04:45 am
I'm relying on it but whether they will have the funds to buy it is another thing.

If some one is in the market to buy a business chances are there out of work.
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: Londoner on July 24, 2009, 08:11:25 am
Thats the key point! Its all very well saying a round is worth this amount or that amount. Its only worth that if you can find someone who is willing to pay it.

Around here you can't sell rounds, nobody will buy them unless its a small token amount. I've been asked if I want to buy work many times and I don't. Several window cleaners I know of have just abandoned their rounds because they couldn't sell them.

 
Title: Re: How much is a good round worth?
Post by: Moderator David@stives on July 24, 2009, 08:30:09 am
If the round is generating a real profit and not just a low wage then i would package it as a business and try to sell in line with other business, which would be about 2 times the net yearly profit.