Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: MJCleaning on July 22, 2009, 09:01:15 am
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Main bulk of our work wfp & Office Cleaning - now have a number of entranceways/stairs to flats that we have to c/clean. I have portable extraction and have used multi pro & fabric & fibre rinse ( 10 years ago)., am I on the right line or is there something else that wd make a better job?
Any c/cleaner want advice on Wfp??
Any help much apprecited.
Mark
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Any comments pls - hope to order chemicals today if poss!
Thanks
Mark
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Those chemicals are still good and will do the job.
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Wouldnt bother with the Fibre and Fibre rinse better trying something like Chemspec F90.
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Any good Traffic Film Remover will do. Don't put detergent in your machine though, stick to what you were doing with the Fabric & Fibre Rinse! (alkali & acid)
Regards
Gary
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Nonsense detergent is fine in your machine.
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Thanks for advice - some t/lane - F90 it is then !
Cheers
Mark
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Darren,
Detergent is fine in your machine if you are using a final spray of acidic rinse to mist the carpets. The dergents though block the solution hoses and clog valves over a period of time, as well as leaving a residue within the carpet. Most pros are on pre-spray agitate and rinse
Gary
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Mark,
Why would you go away from your original working pattern. Laying down a traffic lane spray and then rinsing through is considered standard procedure by a lot of people. Using a high Ph traffic lane (10 or so)and then adding Formula 90 Ph 9.5-10.5 wouldn't be the way to go. Think about the results of high alkalinity from this in a wool carpet. If unsure, check with people like the N.C.C.A.
Regards
Gary
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Gary since ive started carpet cleaning ive always used detergents and never had any of the above problems F90 at the correct dilution rate is ok to use on wool i normally put about 40-50ml in 50 litres of water in my machine and always get great results if detergents were so bad for carpets why do Prochem,chemspec,hydramaster still make them.
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I stopped putting powdered detergents in my tank years ago.
I had no personal experiance of this, but a lot on the forums were saying it can in time clog the pump, so it became a no no for me.
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Depends on the powder Ashby's now do powders with scale inhibitors to eleviate the problem.
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I also agree with Darren .Been using powders for the last ten years no problem .
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Darren,
Of course detergents do a great job and companies make them. If you want to go ahead and put them in your machine then fine! But from a professional point of view, if you intend to keep a client for a long time and you were to pump ph10 prespray into a carpet and then a ph9-10 detergent into the carpet THINK of the long term effect.
If you dont give two monkeys ignore my post.
Go speak to people like Prochem or the NCCA and ask them the recommended procedures.
Gary
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Gary ive got loads of repeat customers who keep coming back to me so i must be doing something right if F90 was bad for carpets Chemspec wouldnt recomend it to use on wool this is just another myth like detergents leave a sticky residue on carpets total nonsense also i only use liquids in my machine.
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Darren,
What is the recovery rate of your machine? approx 65-80% of everything you put into a carpet. So each time lets say you leave 30% of detergent in the carpet. The carpet we will say is an 80/20 wool twist pile. The wool is acid base and needs to be left with limited alkalinity. You have been back to a customer we will say once a year for 3-4 years and you have left a carpet with 30% alkalinity each time. What is the long term effect on that carpet?
I would read up on the Ph scale and the long term effects of alkalinity on fibres such as wool over a period. Again it all depends upon what you do over time. I have recently taken over the contract on a number of property lets. Before starting I have carried out ph tests and found the carpet dyes to be"loose" with quite a mild ph agent. I have since found out that the previous cleaner was detergent only and very high ph.
This is a business where we are results driven. We want the best results for the client but at what price? Surely you can see that the idea is to place an agent ahead via pre-spray and agitate. This will loosen the soil with a dwell time and use the machine just as an extraction machine. The word Extraction means purely that, the machine SHOULD be used to then pull away the soil and rinse any detergent/soil away Gary
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Gary that all sounds well and good if it was an empty house and nobody was walking on the carpet what about all the damage the customers are doing to the carpets traffic lanes spills ect and what about heat and aggitation acording to some that does just as much damage as chemicals at the end of the day its a dirty carpet and the dilution rates iam using i dont see any problems.
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Darren,
Just to put things in perspective, can you tell me how long you have been in business and what training youv'e had?
Gary
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Doing it 5 years done the Prochem course as i got it free when i bought my machine Gary have you ever used F90 at less than 5ml per 5 litres or are you just quoting stats of a website.When i started i used to use F&F to rinse after using multi pro or traffic clean as i was told on training course its all right on lightly soiled carpets but on anything else its crap now i use big bad things like F90 or Double Clean on some wool carpets i still use Chemspec One Clean all depends on the job i dont do things by the book now i no what works for me and iam usually busy.
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The best thing about Fibre And Fabric Rinse is the smell.
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There are 2 schools of thought about carpet cleaning technique. Which one you follow is usually down to who trained you.
One technique is to use a pre-spray on the carpet. This allows the pre-spray to dissolve the dirt during the dwell time which is then rinsed out with plain water, an acid rinse or another detergent. Regardless of what equipment you are using there will be product left in the carpet.
The other method is to add a detergent to the tank of a portable. In conjunction with a pre-spray or not the carpet is then cleaned by injecting and extracting the said product through the wand. Again product will be left in the carpet.
Both systems work.
Carpet cleaning products are designed for this and very few leave residues which will be detrimental to the carpet. The problems begin when operators use either too much product or under powered equipment.
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John,
I agree with you, something will always be left behind in the carpet due to recovery rates of all equipment. My concern is that someone who is cleaning with a traffic lane cleaner of Ph10 and then a detergent of Ph10 in a wool carpet , will leave it in an adverse way.
I have used a series of pre-sprays and agitate ahead of me for the last 12+ years and have never had a problem in getting the right result. The answer is to use a better grade of traffic lane and rinse and the right dilution.
Gary
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Gary you keep bringing wool carpets into it this started of with you saying you shouldnt be putting chemicals into your machine as it blocks the solution hoses and clogs valves i use liquid detergents and ive not came across any of these problems also on most domestic jobs i use one clean on wool but theres times like this week when i cleaned a pub with blacktop and i rinsed with F90 and considering the state the carpet was in it haddnt been cleaned in 6 years so i dont think using F90 will do it any more damage than whats already been done.
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Darren,
The wool carpet was an example.
You havent got it mate, I'm leaving it there you carry on doing what you are doing!
Gary