Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: herbiefatboy on July 13, 2009, 06:42:36 pm
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for those of you out there who employ do you find it more hassle than it is worth?because lately i have been feeling like this what with holiday money,his tax and so on any other views would be great.
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If he isnt earning you 2-3 times what you pay him, get rid and get someone else mate.
if you pay him £50 per day and he gets you in £150 per day its a hassle worth having.
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ensure his training record is up to date to avoid some potential nasty claim. If he knows his days are numbered he may slip off his ladder or drop his pole on him for a nice little pay off.
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If he isnt earning you 2-3 times what you pay him, get rid and get someone else mate.
if you pay him £50 per day and he gets you in £150 per day its a hassle worth having.
think i would rather work in a factory again than work for you :o :o
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If he isnt earning you 2-3 times what you pay him, get rid and get someone else mate.
if you pay him £50 per day and he gets you in £150 per day its a hassle worth having.
think i would rather work in a factory again than work for you
Lucky if you would get that working round here, 9 out of 10 jobs in the job centre is the bare minimum.
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Why dont you get the guy to register himself as self employed? that way he can work for you as a sub contractor and you can just get him to write u an invoice each week and pay him that way. maybe bump up his wages slightly so he goes for it. than let him worry about his own tax. its alot less work for you. i think its just about legal lol :P
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Why dont you get the guy to register himself as self employed? that way he can work for you as a sub contractor and you can just get him to write u an invoice each week and pay him that way. maybe bump up his wages slightly so he goes for it. than let him worry about his own tax. its alot less work for you. i think its just about legal lol :P
No it isn't and the tax man will have a field day if he finds out :P
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only leagl if he dus for moor than one or he has som of is owen work
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ive got a bird works with me i pay her peanuts
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Why dont you get the guy to register himself as self employed? that way he can work for you as a sub contractor and you can just get him to write u an invoice each week and pay him that way. maybe bump up his wages slightly so he goes for it. than let him worry about his own tax. its alot less work for you. i think its just about legal lol :P
No it isn't and the tax man will have a field day if he finds out :P
Ditto :) :)
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for those of you out there who employ do you find it more hassle than it is worth?because lately i have been feeling like this what with holiday money,his tax and so on any other views would be great.
What exactly is wrong? Is his work standard good enough or is it just a case of you didn't realise what was involved behind the scenes?
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PAYE employees are a lot of work, organising their work, doing their wages, finding them wet weather work, time off sick, absence (pulling sickies) etc.
Unless you are making a worthwhile profit from them and are prepared to put in the extra time behind the scenes, you would probably be better off working alone with the added advantage of running your round to suit you best without all the hassle.
Tailor your round, pick up better paying work and sell, pass on or try to increase poorer paying work until you are in a better position to reconsider employing again to put you in a less stressed out position.
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If you canvassed one offs and they did them with there own equipment etc you could maybe get away with it but its a risky game..... but a full time employee should make you money if they work right and round is good, well priced
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Why dont you get the guy to register himself as self employed? that way he can work for you as a sub contractor and you can just get him to write u an invoice each week and pay him that way. maybe bump up his wages slightly so he goes for it. than let him worry about his own tax. its alot less work for you. i think its just about legal lol :P
No it isn't and the tax man will have a field day if he finds out :P
Why isn't this legal then? If you're getting receipts and what have you, why would it be an issue?
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THeyre not self employed, they work for you
Look here : (www.hmrc.gov.uk/employment-status/index.htm#1)
Employed or self-employed?
In order to answer this question it is necessary to determine whether the person works under a contract of service (employees) or under a contract for services (self-employed, independent contractor). For tax and NICs purposes, there is no statutory definition of a contract of service or of a contract for services. What the parties call their relationship, or what they consider it to be, is not conclusive. It is the reality of the relationship that matters.
In order to determine the nature of a contract, it is necessary to apply common law principles. The courts have, over the years, laid down some factors and tests that are relevant, which is included in the overview below.
As a general guide as to whether a worker is an employee or self-employed; if the answer is 'Yes' to all of the following questions, then the worker is probably an employee:
Do they have to do the work themselves?
Can someone tell them at any time what to do, where to carry out the work or when and how to do it?
Can they work a set amount of hours?
Can someone move them from task to task?
Are they paid by the hour, week, or month?
Can they get overtime pay or bonus payment?
If the answer is 'Yes' to all of the following questions, it will usually mean that the worker is self-employed:
Can they hire someone to do the work or engage helpers at their own expense?
Do they risk their own money?
Do they provide the main items of equipment they need to do their job, not just the small tools that many employees provide for themselves?
Do they agree to do a job for a fixed price regardless of how long the job may take?
Can they decide what work to do, how and when to do the work and where to provide the services?
Do they regularly work for a number of different people?
Do they have to correct unsatisfactory work in their own time and at their own expense?
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Why isn't this legal then?
Take it up with the govenment if you want but it's not.
The law changed a few years back to stop all this sub contracting to one business and getting around tax and N.I issues
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If your thinking of paying them in the region of £300 per week be prepared to kiss up to 5k a year of your hard earned before you even earn a shilling lol,insurances holiday pay sick pay all has to be paid if you do it the proper and correct way.My sister in-law owns a very big care agency probobly the biggest in the south if not 1 of the biggest and they get people applying for jobs just to get on the books and then when they`ve done there time go sick lol,this is happening in all types of work so beware.
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Blimey so many negative posts re employing its only difficult if you tell yourself its difficult.
Everyone on here is looking at this from the viewpoint of an employer or at the very least someone who is self employed, everyone on this site works for themselves so don,t necessary have the same working mindset has the guy who wants to be on books with is tax & ni sorted by his employer. All staff can be managed, they either perform to your standards or you manage them out of your business.
What exactly is wrong? Is his work standard good enough or is it just a case of you didn't realise what was involved behind the scenes? Helen asked this good question or do you not have structure or systems in place to manage the employees hence it feeling like hard work.
Cheers Mark.
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You mentioned that anyone can be managed out of a business.
How would you legally go about this if you wanted to drop an underperforming or troublesome employee?
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if there on statuary sick the government pay it i would never give full sick pay.
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Clearpoint, you can give him/her warnings about their performance, as it has a direct influence on the business. First warning verbal. second warning written. the next warning, your FIRED!
;D
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if there on statuary sick the government pay it i would never give full sick pay.
same here. i've never paid a bean for sick as none have opted to go down the statuary route. they normally want to get back to work to earn proper money.
i'm kind of bored of this employing or not and staying on your own business. so i'm gonna ignore them (if i can ;D) the only way to grow your business is employ. one man can only do so much however great a round he has. Its down to the individual but growth is what i want so employing is the way forward
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Been having the same dilemma over the last few days, lost a guy working for me because he felt there was no progression in window cleaning!! was just sorting him out a contract for £16,500 a year, he said it wasnt enough he wants to get a morgage with his girl friend & says he wont get one if hes a window cleaner!!! ive got one so opps!!
I think its a case of just getting the right person.
by the way any ideas what you guys & girls get your staff to do on rainy Days?
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If he isnt earning you 2-3 times what you pay him, get rid and get someone else mate.
if you pay him £50 per day and he gets you in £150 per day its a hassle worth having.
think i would rather work in a factory again than work for you :o :o
Stan thats only 15-18 houses per day. if he/she can't do that then they are not up to the job you have asked of them.
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Been having the same dilemma over the last few days, lost a guy working for me because he felt there was no progression in window cleaning!! was just sorting him out a contract for £16,500 a year, he said it wasnt enough he wants to get a morgage with his girl friend & says he wont get one if hes a window cleaner!!! ive got one so opps!!
I think its a case of just getting the right person.
by the way any ideas what you guys & girls get your staff to do on rainy Days?
get them rain work.
conservatory roof cleans, gutter fascia cleans, and then the usual house keeping (tidying the van, equipment checks etc)
also you can get them on the phone ringing customers asking if they want the internal windows cleaned.
Get them flyering.
Needs of the business comes first, employees are NOT just window cleaners, they are operatives of the company - so get them operating for the business.
This is how it is in all employment situations now - you multi task across the business.
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what you guys & girls get your staff to do on rainy Days?
clean windows!
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Thanks GWCS some great ideas for the rain.
Have got another guy thats wants to leave his currant job & join me but i would have to match his wages £20,000 per annum!!! hes been working with me on saturdays for extra money so hes already trained thank god, just see if I can finacally afford him the bonus is hes great at office work so he can grow my business through mail shots & such like which could be done on rainy days!!
I want to gro the business but like you all its finding that right person1
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Make sure the flyers are waterproof if you get them posting in rain ive done it with standard paper and they just run and turn to mush :( especially if you have to push them in letterboxes, they turn to paper mache lol
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Thanks GWCS some great ideas for the rain.
Have got another guy thats wants to leave his currant job & join me but i would have to match his wages £20,000 per annum!!! hes been working with me on saturdays for extra money so hes already trained thank god, just see if I can finacally afford him the bonus is hes great at office work so he can grow my business through mail shots & such like which could be done on rainy days!!
I want to gro the business but like you all its finding that right person1
Wow up, why are you even considering matching his current salary? >:( He wants a job with your business, the position pays £xxxx. end of chat. Why not put a basic salary, with an incentive/bonus scheme, so that he could actually achieve more than £20k if he puts the effort in.
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Blimey so many negative posts re employing its only difficult if you tell yourself its difficult.
Everyone on here is looking at this from the viewpoint of an employer or at the very least someone who is self employed, everyone on this site works for themselves so don,t necessary have the same working mindset has the guy who wants to be on books with is tax & ni sorted by his employer. All staff can be managed, they either perform to your standards or you manage them out of your business.
What exactly is wrong? Is his work standard good enough or is it just a case of you didn't realise what was involved behind the scenes? Helen asked this good question or do you not have structure or systems in place to manage the employees hence it feeling like hard work.
Cheers Mark.
See we haven't had an answer, so guess it justs the behind the scenes stuff :)
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Hi Helen ,
Are you wiating for a reply from me or the origina post.
A very easily confused man (me)