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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Fieldsy on June 22, 2009, 10:17:49 pm
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I know these are very basically the same vehicle, but have found two, both pretty much same mileage, and same price.
They are the 2.0 HDI 110bhp models. 3 seats at front, ply lined ect..., and two side loading doors, both on 55 plates.
I was also looking at the scudo, but a few ppl have put me off of these.
Would just like some opinions please from anybody who has the above, pros, cons, faulty parts, gearboxes etc...
thanks
Fieldsy
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what has put you off the scudo?
they are identical in every way even built in same factory
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no mate - the fiat has a fiat engine, stay well clear.
we run an expert HDI - hasn't given any problems in over 3 years, pulls nicely, nice to drive, ok on fuel.
good van, I would reckon the citroen is just as good as it is the same van incl engine
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two friends of mine both work for british gas, one is an area manager and one is an engineer. Asked them both on separate occasions about the scudo, and both said the company had bought them and had nothing but trouble with them, cheaply made, things breaking and always in the garage, so they changed to peugeot experts and berlingos and everything so far has been ok. I know this is only one or maybe two opinions, so if others have opinions on all three, scudo, expert or dispatch I'd like to hear.
The scudo may be a bloody fine vehicle, and if they are I'd like to here about it :)
thanks
Fieldsy
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thanks for your input alan. You see I didn't know that fiat had an independant manufactured engine compared to the other two. I'm swaying towards the expert.............but the dispatch is a nicer colour.........lol (I'm only kidding ..honest...lol)
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no mate - the fiat has a fiat engine, stay well clear.
we run an expert HDI - hasn't given any problems in over 3 years, pulls nicely, nice to drive, ok on fuel.
good van, I would reckon the citroen is just as good as it is the same van incl engine
sorry you are wrong!!
i have a scudo and i fitted a new engine in it from a peugeot and have 2 more spare engines one from a citroen xantia and one from a peugeot 406
they all run the same identical engine as designed by peugeot
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why did you have to fit a new engine.......and what was the original engine, fiat, peugeot ??
thanks
Fieldsy
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i bought it with a blown head gasket and i had a spare engine so fitted that instead
it was a peugeot engine that i took out
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this is the type of van that im looking to get, any good or bad news on them is appreciated!!
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I have driven all three and can confirm that the HDi (it's called JTD in the Fiat) engine is a gem among diesels. It appears in such diverse offerings as the Citroen Xsara and Peugeot 206 and in these vehicles, it gives ample power, smoothly delivered.
this is from fleetnews.co.uk
they are all the same common rail diesel
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thanks pandf2, so basically it will be just a matter of which physical appearance I like and which one has the most gadgets/extras...lol
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pandf - I bought a JTD first and its defintiely not the same engine as the HDI - maybe newer models are but not in the older shape - I've had a scudo, still have the expert and they were completely different engines.
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lol you got it !
i bought mine as it was cheap (£375)
i put the new engine in with a new clutch, new wishbones new water pump and new belts
its basic ie no electric windows no central locking etc
but i will put all this in myself when i get the time
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pandf - I bought a JTD first and its defintiely not the same engine as the HDI - maybe newer models are but not in the older shape - I've had a scudo, still have the expert and they were completely different engines.
strange mine is the old shape and is definitely a peugeot engine in it
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THOSE popular Sevel triplets – the Citroen Dispatch, Peugeot Expert and Fiat Scudo – have been given a mid-life wash and brush-up to fight off an ever-increasing onslaught by the opposition in the light panel van sector.
At the front, the new van features a more robust-looking bonnet with a raised profile, new headlamps with clear glass and a redesigned bumper which incorporates optional circular foglamps. Here you'll find the only real difference between the three.
All have chosen their own grilles and all look markedly different. I'll leave it to individual tastes to decide which is best looking but personally I favour the Expert. The sides now have rubbing strips that extend across the rear wheelarches and right up to the rear bumper, which should help protect the vans from knocks and scratches.
Inside, the dash remains the same but the seats have been restyled with lengthened seat cushions, raised backs and strengthening of the lateral support. The cab gets an added overhead storage space, together with a ladder frame bulkhead behind the driver's seat.
Both panel van and five-seat Combi versions will be available in the UK, although sadly, a handsome-looking long wheelbase variant will not make it to these shores.
On the safety front, the new vans have a standard driver's airbag and seatbelt pretensioners, while a passenger airbag is an option, along with ABS brakes and electric windows.
Noise suppression has also been given attention and the new model features inserts in the B and C pillars to prevent transmission noise from under the vehicle intruding into the cab and new sealing for the rear doors.
Before the final coat of paint is applied, PVC is sprayed under the load floor as an added quietener.
The rear end of the van is the same as the old model, with load volumes of four cubic metres and payloads of 851kg or 925kg. Gross vehicle weights are 2,205kg and 2,330kg.
Under the bonnet, things are much the same as they were in the old model. Two diesel engines are available – a naturally-aspirated 1.9-litre unit offering 71bhp at 4,600rpm and 170lb-ft of torque at 2,500rpm and a 2.0-litre common rail turbodiesel unit offering 110bhp at 4,000rpm and 250lb-ft of torque at 1,750rpm.
A petrol unit is available in Europe but will not be offered in the UK, effectively eliminating any possibility of a dual-fuel LPG version.
Servicing intervals for the common rail diesel versions are extended to 20,000 miles or two years while the naturally-aspirated version stays at 10,000 miles or two years.
On the road
MANY van makers boast that their vehicles have car-like driving capabilities and in many cases that claim is little short of laughable.
But in the case of these vans, it couldn't be truer. After all, they were originally cars – the Peugeot 806, Citroen Synergie and Fiat Ulysse to be precise. They have been given a higher roofline and a loadspace in the rear in place of the seats.
The cars were originally launched in 1993 but after 10 years on the road these van versions still look fresh and stylish.
I have driven all three and can confirm that the HDi (it's called JTD in the Fiat) engine is a gem among diesels. It appears in such diverse offerings as the Citroen Xsara and Peugeot 206 and in these vehicles, it gives ample power, smoothly delivered.
I had never thought that the old model was a noisy performer but all the new padding seems to have worked well and it is possible to talk in hushed tones, provided a bulkhead is fitted.
The trio were among the first vehicles to feature a dash-mounted gearstick and I remember being suspicious about this move at first.
Nowadays, most vans have gone down this route and the stick in the new model is as slick and smooth as it ever was. The handbrake, meanwhile, is on the driver's door side, which gives added legroom for a third passenger.
The driver's seat is noticeably improved over the old model.
As a leggy specimen measuring 6ft 3in, I don't like seats with short squabs. It feels as though you are sitting on a bar stool rather than in a van seat. The new van's chair has plenty of support, not only for thighs and back but for the sides too.
I haven't driven the naturally-aspirated version but my view is that it's worth stumping up the extra cash for the common rail engine. Payload is improved and combined fuel economy is better at 42.8 mpg, compared to 36.2 mpg for the smaller engine.
Driving verdict
These old fleet stagers could well teach the younger offerings a thing or two and the facelift shows they still have plenty of life left in them. Eight years on and the general driving experience still beats many of today's light vans. Add to that a good load-carrying capacity and a competitive price and the van makes a very convincing case for itself among fleet buyers.
Fact file
1.9D 2.0HDi/JTD Combi
Max power (bhp/rpm): 71/4,600 110/4,000 110/4,000
Max torque (lb-ft/rpm): 170/2,500 250/1,750 250/1,750
Payload (cu m): 851 925 918
Load volume (kg): 4 4 4
Gross vehicle weight (kg): 2,205 2,330 2,505
Fuel economy (mpg comb): 36.2 42.8 42.1
Prices (ex-VAT):
Peugeot Expert: £11,240 £12,720 £14,010
Fiat Scudo: £11,200 £12,600 £13,785
Citroen Dispatch: £11,160 £12,640 £13,930
this is an old review of the shape scudo/expert/dispatch you are looking at
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is this a van forum ???
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pandf - whats the link? I'm pretty sure this information doesn't refer to a 99 scudo and an 03/04 expert.
where did you get this from??
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here is the link dated march 04
http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/story/?nID=34070
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pandf2, when you swopped your engine,did u have to change flywheels ,sump and all the gubbins , what isit about those frenchey diesels , and hav u noticed ALL french engines never will stand upright when put on the floor
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P&F is bang on, the JTD is just rebadged HDI, but they didnt fit them till 03/04 i think, ???
i'd be very surprised if it was the 2.0 HDI/JTD that did a head gasket, the 1.9TD's were just notorious for it, and a right pain in the rear to do.
but the HDI is a different beast, mates xantia 2000 W, 198k. HDI.
best thing about it still is the engine, everythng else doesn't work lol
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pandf2, when you swopped your engine,did u have to change flywheels ,sump and all the gubbins , what isit about those frenchey diesels , and hav u noticed ALL french engines never will stand upright when put on the floor
had to change over all the ancillaries like manifolds etc as they are all different from vehicle to vehicle. it was all in all a days work on a ramp in the workshop i use
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Just had a look at a transit connect aswell, LX version, high roof, but the internal load length seems much shorter than the dispatch/scudo/expert........and only two seats.........like the idea of a 3 seater ;D
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Just had a look at a transit connect aswell, LX version, high roof, but the internal load length seems much shorter than the dispatch/scudo/expert........and only two seats.........like the idea of a 3 seater ;D
thats one of the main reasons im going for dipatch style van - the 3 seats. as it will be my sole vechile i feel it will be handy to have extra seat