Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: darrenlee on April 29, 2005, 11:11:41 pm
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we all need contact with bactteria & viruses,
to help build a strong imune system.
its noted we are are all getting more food allergys &
other types of allergys, and our over cleanlilness is part
to blame.
so is a product like allergy-stop safe & needed.
to the genuine person who suffers an allergy yes,
but someone that does'nt suffer ? .
if the product is aimed at the people that suffer
all well and good, but more likely to be the mases .
so what will the benifet be in the long term to the people
who dont already suffer from allergys.
well there imune system suffer.
thanks darren
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Darren,
Allerg-STOP is aimed at alleviating the suffering caused by allergies. It is unlikely to be purchased just for the fun of it.
It breaks down allergens that most people can deal with but some react to. This cannot 'start up' asthma as it does away with the irritants that may cause it in the first place.
Trust me.................. I have spent hours reading the facts on asthma and allergies.
My wife suspects i am having an affair with the girl in the library :-X
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chris i am a little crap, when it comes to putting words
into writing.
but u have'nt answered the question.
my question is long term benifits using this product for people
who dont suffer from allergys already.
Allerg-STOP is aimed at alleviating the suffering caused by allergies. It is unlikely to be purchased just for the fun of it.
never said it would be, said benifet to people that suffer.
will you market the product and benifits only to people with allergys ?
many thanks darren
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It is now believed by the science community, (and me too), that some allergies can be prevented to some degree, so those of you out there that don't have kids yet, will want to read this section carefully ;-)
Nowadays, we live in a pretty polluted world, which tends to overwhelm our systems, if we're not programmed to accept these allergens. Along with the allergens that most people think of (dust, dust mites, pollen, etc), we also have to consider cigarette smoke, exhaust fumes, etc (air pollution.) And, we have lots of chemicals now in our home and work environment that we're not designed to endure (like formaldehyde fumes from the building materials in our homes.)
On the other hand, at the same time, we are creating excessively clean environments in our homes. Imagine all the products that have become available in the past 10-20 years to help us keep our homes clean and comfortable and more STERILE. Included are antibacterial products that keep germs at bay, innovations like high quality vacuums that keep our carpeting much cleaner than years ago. Almost everyone has a dish washer, that completely sterilizes the eating utensils. The list does truly go on and on.
And, our behaviors have changed. Gone are the days where we'd let our kids run around in the yard barefoot. Parents freak out when their babies pick toys or dropped food items off the floor in the kitchen, and stick them into their mouths. Pacifiers are constantly washed when they fall on the floor. We go nuts when the babies try to eat sand. Our kids spend much more time inside this excessively clean home than they did 30 years ago, playing computer, watching TV, etc.
The trouble with our clean behaviors, and keeping our homes so clean, is that this new generation of children don't have regular exposure to the natural, harmless, germs and allergens that are supposed to be accepted by our bodies. Studies have shown that children raised in homes with 2 or more dog or cat pets don't have as high an incidence of pet allergies that children have that have been raised (as babies or very young children) without dog or cat pets. Did you know that families that live in homes with more than two toilets tend to have more allergy trouble because these toilets stay cleaner without everyone in the house using one? Our kid's bodies do actually learn to accept the germs from the rest of the family.
Our kid's bodies are supposed to LEARN how to handle these foreign things. By depriving their little bodies of these allergens, we are actually creating allergies. So, in order for them to do this, we do need to expose our babies and children to these items. If we want our kids to grow up without allergies, we need to stop being so overly protective about cleanliness and allergens. We need to gently expose our kids to normal, everyday germs and environmental allergens. This should be gentle exposure.
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For thousands of years, humans have lived in an environment contaminated with bacteria and other microbes. Our bodies learned to recognise the presence of germs and respond accordingly, an ability which, according to scientists, is learned in the first six to 24 months of life.
In fact, a baby's immune system begins preparing for microbial onslaught even before birth, with the placenta acting as a filter that lets through small amounts of innocuous allergens and microbes and by the age of three years, the human body has learned all it needs to know to fight against germ invaders. Over the last century, protection against infectious diseases - through antibiotics, vaccines, water purification, sanitation and hygiene - has dramatically improved our health and increased our life expectancy.
However, work from a growing number of research teams is reinforcing the 'hygiene hypothesis', which says that exposure to microbes and getting infected with some of them strengthens the body's natural immune system against allergies. The theory, according to a study published in the March 2004 Annals of Internal Medicine, is that our use of disinfectants and antibacterials has interfered with our early exposure to germs and disturbed the body's system for recognising and responding to bacteria and viruses.
The unused immune system, which is keen to do its job, therefore sees dust and pollen as dangerous invaders and responds in a way that causes asthma and allergies.
Apart from this, these antibacterial products offer little protection against the most common germs that cause illness anyway. So more good news for parents who don't really want to spend all their time cleaning and disinfecting - it's probably best that you don't anyway. Keep your house tidy and clean but remember, germs live there too and bleach and sprays are harmful to germs! It's also worth remembering how these strong chemicals can be affecting your child's health too.
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Darrenlee
An extremely sensible post if I may say so...I am an unbeliever!
There I have said it...
When I was a little lad (many, many moons ago now) I cannot for the life of me remember a child with Asthma but at the school where my Governor works at least thirty percent of the children in each class (in some its fifty percent) have inhalers etc.
Taking your valid points a stage further we now live in centrally heated homes with double glazing the norm....think about it... we don't become exposed to all the germs we used to and therefore we do not build up a complete immune system.
I remember an old fella who once said to me "you can't play around with nature and get away with it" and over the years I have seen clear evidence of that fact on many occasions.
A classic case is the increasing popularity of organic gardening..Why... because of all the well 'meaning additives' that are now proving to be detrimental.
Derek
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Hi Guys,
I too have reservations about the approach of using one chemical to counter the effects of another chemical , without knowing the longer term effects of the new chemical.
There is a lot of info about enzymes being one of the major causes of the rise in asthma sensitisations.
For some years I have believed in the minimum chemical approach and this is something that attracts me to MS , particularly with respect to the fresh water rinse.
Cheers,
Doug
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Lets get this into some perspective........ This is not me taking insulin if i dont have Diabetes. That in itself would make me ill but be of help to the diabatic.
This enzyme is from a natural source, Papaya, already used in the treatment of Cancer, Aids and dozens of other ailments.
This attacks the proteins in the allergens and breaks them down so the body does not repel them by allergic reaction. Non sufferers can accept these allergens without reaction so there will be no change for the non sufferer anyway.
Simply put........ allergic reaction to trying to at a whole apple would be choking but cut that apple into 8 sections and the body can take it in harmlessly. As a non sufferer, you still get your apple ;D
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Bleaches and sprays are harmful to germs but they can aslo be harmful to humans.
Bleach being used around the home on a regular basis has long been thought to the trigger in some people for asthma.
I would rather use a natural product any day over ever strengthening detergents.
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All well and good but there are many thousands of people who already suffer from allergies who can benefit from this treatment, I for one suffer terribly from hay fever, the blood vessels in my nose inflame to the point its impossible to breath through it which results in massive nose bleeds, my eyes are painfully sore, etc. This is at its worse in the evenings making sleeping a nightmare and a lousy quality of life for a couple of months as medication has limited effects. With allerg-stop ive been able to keep my bedroom pollen free with spectacular results and a good quality of life back, what price can you put on that!!!
Paul
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For some reason in just the last two years I have developed early season hay fever, yet in the past and growing up as a kid I never suffered with anything..........Very Strange
I also have an allergy to cats and wear a mask when I am in some ones home that has a cat that I am cleaning.
::)
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chris think you should change name allergy - stop
In a condition that has come to be known as “ficus-fruit syndrome” individuals who are allergic to tropical fruits such as bananas, figs, or kiwi fruit may also be allergic to papaya or to papain, which is derived from the papaya fruit. Allergic reactions to papain have also been reported in individuals who are sensitive to latex or to the ornamental houseplant, weeping fig (Ficus benjamina).
seems it causes allergys as well as stops
darren
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I am allergic to people who disagree with absolutely everything I say ;D
If I said it was made of pure air, you strike me as the type of person who would tell me you knew someone who was allergic to that.
Nothing I say will appease you so I will stop trying.
Have a nice day :)
ps. It has never been called ' allergy - stop' anyway ;)
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chris like the police badge
whats it say ;D
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All well and good but there are many thousands of people who already suffer from allergies who can benefit from this treatment, I for one suffer terribly from hay fever, the blood vessels in my nose inflame to the point its impossible to breath through it which results in massive nose bleeds, my eyes are painfully sore, etc. This is at its worse in the evenings making sleeping a nightmare and a lousy quality of life for a couple of months as medication has limited effects. With allerg-stop ive been able to keep my bedroom pollen free with spectacular results and a good quality of life back, what price can you put on that!!!
Paul
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm me thinks April have we had much pollen yet??
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Against my better judgement ::)
Badge was found on internet as a tongue in cheek amongst other Network members.
It has NO bearing on a product with a similar name, situated directly beneath the pretty badge that has captured your imagination. Name and registered trademark sign indicate the correct product name......... simple but effective.
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Some excellent points raised Darren. I'm not suggesting that people should STOP having their carpets cleaned so that they can develop some healthy anti-bodies but if there are very young children in the house is the application of Promite / NUVA / Allergy Stop etc a good thing or not? (unless they have already demonstarted allergic reactions to things in the house).
Mud pies and eating worms may have done more good than we give credit for!!! :P :P
cheers
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John,
Trust me on this one!!
Take a look out the window and what do the trees look like??
covered in blossom so full of pollen that makes my life a misery :-[
Grass pollen is also now coming into play and this is the stuff that really causes problems. Hay fever comes at different times of the year for differnt sufferers, mid april through to the end of june is when I'm affected but july and august are fine??!!........Strange I know but thats the way it is :-\
The fact we own a farm puts me right in amongst hundreds of acres of the stuff :o
Paul
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Steve,
Why not go the whole hog and abandon cars and ovens.
That way we would all become super fit without fatty deposits in our veins.
We were so much better of in the old days............ gool old TB and scurvy, made us much stronger.......... if it didn't kill you :o
Allergens kill, especially kids
In 1980 there were 7 million asthma sufferers.............2001 there were 20 million.
Asthma causes 11 million doctors office visits a year.
1 in 13 school aged children have asthma and it is rising.
4.2 million children had asthma attacks last year.
My son, aged 7, had a bad asthma attack 3 years ago and I would have paid thousands for a nebuliser machine, if i could have done.
This is an available to all solution, to a problem that could affect most people at some time.
Lets leave it alone and hope we are strong enough to ignore it :o
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I have a nut allergy, so I keep away from nutters
Barry
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My best mate has a peanut allergy.
At school, we used to play russian roulette with a bag of Revels ;)
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Why is it that somebody brings out an excellent product, even potentially life saving you could say, and there are always people waiting with their claws out ready to pounce on it?
Allerg-STOP is a good thing it has been proven in many ways. Not only does it ELIMINATE all air allergens but it is also a brilliant disinfectant. So far it has been tested upto MRSA standard and passed, It is presently undergoing tests to see just how a high level it will disinfect to.
Trust me this product is going places.
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to all reading this topic
my intention is not, to slate this product, i have said from the start, possible benfits to people that suffer.
my question was long term, is it doing more harm than good,
and if you read all my posts on this subject, u can see many
reasons why this product, my not be a benifit to all
members of society.
i have asked already will it only be aimed at people with allergys?
and chris what as trying to swollow a whole apple got to do
with an allergic reaction ???
knights forgot your full title sorry
are we not allowed our own opinion of things and try to get
a good topic going, about a product and subject that effects us all, or should we just believe everything we are told about
something is fact .
many thanks darren
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Daren,
I can see the logic of you question.
It is true that bacteria found in African soil are being injected into babies at high risk of developing asthma, in order to 'kick-start' their immune systems. This is an extensive trial, conducted over a number of years, but initial results seem to indicate that the theory behind is is valid.
This theory is that in our increasingly sterile world, some peoples immune system does not start to function as nature designed it. This gives rise to an increased incidence of auto-immune dysfunctions such as asthma.
The point you raised, that removing allergens may, for those inhabitants of the home that do not currently display allergic reactions, cause this effect, is a reasonable one to be examined.
My own thoughts are that;
a) Evidence strongly suggests that the immune system does not need to be exposed to every allergen in order to learn which of these foreign proteins to attack. In which case the removal from the home environment of those broken down by Alergstop should not , in itself create sensitivity.
b) Even with the best efforts of the Alergstop Network, exposure to these allergens will still occur as a result of the free passage of our atmosphere and trips outside the home.
The consequences of asthma and hay fever can be be quite debilitating for the sufferer. The former can have fatal consequences. Those facts have ample proof.
The possibility of scoring an own goal by this additional sanitisation is not only unproven but highly tenuous, the product itself has already undergone extensive testing and is currently undergoing additional testing by a respected medical facility, so I would have no compunction in using the product.
It is, however a valid question to be asked.
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It is only some peoples opininon and suggestion that the fact we are too clean is causing more proplems than good.
My opinion and suggestion is that the reason we are getting more of these ailments is more the fault of increasing pollution levels.
Increasing levels of industry,
Increasing levels of road traffic (both light and Heavy)
Increasing levels of air traffic (one plane putting out enough pollution on take off alone as hundreds of cars)
Increasing industrialisation in third world countries
High tech war
the list is endless
Allerg-STOP is trying to help the people with these ailments by making their home a haven to them and giving them a better quality of life.
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carprt knights i agree many things are to blame
so will you only be marketing the product to people
that suffer ?
my family have been in carpet industry for over three generations, and products very similar to this, have been
tried and died.
i wish all who are using it good luck, and hope you make a few quid, as that is what the product is really about.
thanks john for clearing up some of the things i was asking,
i can see some benifits for certain people, but a said that from the start.
thanks darren
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Goron,
There is a great deal of evidence to support the theory ( backed by the World Health Organisation) that an over-sanitised infancy combined with lack of breast feeding is responsible for the development of auto-immune diseases.
Once these have developed the other factors you mention come into play.
I commend your enthusiasm for what I believe to be an important and exciting product, but take care not to develop a blinkered view.
If the problem of what amounts to a first-world epidemic is to be tackled, we need to examine both causal and remedial factors. Alergstop may be the first big advance in the environmental treatment of asthma and allergic rhinitis, but treatment is only part of the cure.
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point taken john.
Darren Obviously the product is aimed at sufferers. surely it would be impossible to sell to a non sufferer (suppose it would depend on yours sales technique :P)
for a non sufferer to want it would be like taking a paracetamol because you felt like it
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goran
i am attending the next allerg-STOP course on the 10/5 and in preporation i have been asking my customers if they might be interested in allerg-stop, all but 2 have said that they dont suffer from any allergies but would still be prepared to pay extra to have their carpets/upholstery cleaned with an allergy control product, so i think if the benefits are explained then people will have the allerg-stop treatment even if they dont suffer.
lets hope so
good luck with allerg-stop
dave
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yes lets hope
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i read what you put, u dont read what i put with a open mind
and unblinked view.
if you read in the post it is aimed at cleaning in general
not just your product, just you are so quick to defend it,
rather than look at an overall view.
how many times do i have to say it, from the start i have said
can see benifit to certain people.
Allergens kill, especially kids
In 1980 there were 7 million asthma sufferers.............2001 there were 20 million.
Asthma causes 11 million doctors office visits a year.
1 in 13 school aged children have asthma and it is rising.
4.2 million children had asthma attacks last year.
what will these figures
be in another 50 years doubled?. so if you care to read from the start you might get what i have been saying , and why i asked the question to start with. anyway only time will tell.
again thanks and hope it helps certain people in understanding
certain things about our industry
thanks darren :-X
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Hi Guys,
Lets try to keep this friendly.
Allergstop is currently a very early stage product , afterall it was only launched a couple of weeks ago and in all honesty we will not know how effective it is or of any health problems for at least a year or two.
It is important to keep objective and have a proper dicscussion which does not invlove slagging people off if they do not agree.
What I definitely do not want to see is a them and us situation developing or any mob mentality and as moderator I will delete posts which breach this.
Cheers,
Doug
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What was an interesting and sensible debate has become something else. :(
Darren,
Calling Chris childish will not help get over your point.
Chris,
I do not think that Darren was attacking the product but asking a question that Gunter probably considered himself. In most instances it will not be every member of the household who suffer allergic reactions, so a consideration of any effect on non-sufferers is sensible. Current test results do indicate that there are no contra-indications, so it would seem that there is no down-side.
Though not a network member I share your enthusiasm for the product and sincerely hope and believe that the investment will not only pay off for the applicator but also for the sufferer.
PS. For the benefit of those who have not heard of the apple analogy:
Take a whole apple and try to swallow it - The body cannot cope.
Now cut the apple into smaller pieces - the body can then cope with the entire apple.
This was used as an illustration of the action of Allergstop. It breaks down the allergen molecules into component parts, which are then not recognised by the immune system as an 'enemy'. Though the allergen is fully ingested, it does not produce the allergic reaction.
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john he started the personnel bit not me
but the post before i put that as been removed
like i have said cant seem to have own opinion
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anyway am not replying to anything else on the subject.
thanks darren
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Darren,
You are more than welcome to have your opinon and yes I can confirm that a post was removed, not by me I hasten to add.
Cheers,
DSoug
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I removed my own posts so as not to be drawn into a discussion with someone who refuses to accept my point of view.
Every example put forward was brushed aside, ignored or not understood.
Not into wasting my time so removed pointless posts and moved on :)
On Darren's advice, I will stay in the garden and enjoy stimulating conversation with my 7 & 11 yr old kids ;D
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Asthma has been around since I was a and that was before many of you were born.
My father suffered terribly and it only improved ( significantly ) when he moved to Canada's drier climate, from the West of Scotland.
My brother was unfortunate in inheriting the gene and asthma was the cause of his death at a young 34 years of age. There were SEVEN kids in our family.
I also remember two kids of my age group who were sufferers, one died at just 13 years of age.
We lived in an area, which could only be regarded, as having very fresh air, about 800 ft above sea level, a country village surrounded by farms and no industry within 20 plus miles.
The prevailing wind, S/W came in from the Atlantic via Ireland and the Clyde.
So, what caused the Asthma, certainly wasn't car fumes or industrial waste, or artificial fertilisers, but it was there.
Probably genetic................
What "allergy control" productsare doing, is targetting the triggers, which set off an asthmatic attack, including dust mite droppings, as it's the enzymes in the dustmites digestive system which is thought to be the main trigger, or possibly even the cause of Asthma
In my capacity as a Therapist I come accross asthmatics frequently and help them overcome their problem.
One of the things I suggest to everyone, is to instal carpeting rather than lami' type flooring, as it's known that lami' type flooring in a home significantly increases the incidence of allergic conditions.
Having said all that, I would be perfectly happy to use ALLERG-STOP or any prduct that might offer help, or relief to a sufferer,
I know about all of the arguments and I think it's more to do with the slightly OTT enthusiasm dispayed that's causing this heated debate.
Remember, you are all part of a priveleged group who are becoming more " aware " than the rest of the c / c's out there and if you, or I don't become licenced/distributors/or whatever I'm sure we will all be able to use the products.
Good luck
r m
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http://www.bupa-shop.co.uk/index.cfm?articleid=2437 ;)
Neil
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Meant to say ...since I was a kid.......which was in the 50's
yep I'm ancient. Don't feel it , but the mirror keeps reminding me.... was born in 1944
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An Excellent question
1 AllergSTOP has been extensively tested both during direct contact with the skin and inhalation it does not produce ANY harmfull effect to the human bodie or respiratory system
Remebr this is NEW TECHNOLOGY ( this does not mean it hasn't been extensively and independantly tested) the solution changes the make up of pollutants in the air and pollutants held in and on surfaces it does not remove them, you cannot remove protein from the air what you can do is
A) stimulate the bodies own immune system
and
B) you can crack or split the protein strain basically this means that the normal high concentration of protein is broken down ino smaller cells, the body then only recognises plain ordinary protein not a "super protein" or over exposure/over concentration.
AllergSTOP is therefore seen as something that balances, it does however kill dustmite.
We also know that AllergStop will kill the super bug MRSA , we are curremntly completing independant testing to see both how quickly this happens and for how long it continue to work, as it is very difficult to control the MRSA bug in/on textiles
I hope this clarifies things a little more, once the testing has been compltetd I will post further information.
Best regards Nick
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well ive been told i have a mental condition by some of you. will it help me?
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Very interesting post and good to hear your views especially good to see the recent post from Nick who never seems to shy away from a contentious issue regarding solutions products. I have an open mind on this subject currently although being ever the optimist I wish those who have joined the network every success - not to mention all those people who suffer from various allergy related conditions.
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sherlock89
Welcome aboard; have worked in a few asylums, then they let me out, dose some one know something and are not telling?
Len
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i rckon that darren lee has got it right, he asked sensible questions , and got some good replys, it would however seem those that are involved in this product are blikered, but then again you should be if youve bought into it,and fail to answer directkly
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The them and us situation developing with Allerg-stop is being created by a small minority not involved with the product, It looks to be nothing short of jealousy and/or s**t stirring :o
Paul
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Hi Guys,
Some interesting posts which allude to the different ways of tackling dust mites and their faeces.
The BUPA product is pemethrin which is an insecticide which is also the basis of flea treatments.Promite is also an insecticide , although not sure which one.These work by killing the mites.
Nick's product Allergs stop , works by by breaking the protein bonds , thereby rendering the smaller protein chain innocuous.
The third way to reduce asthma was alluded to by Therapist when he talked about moving to a drier climate.
Apparently dust mite activity is reduced to virtually nil if the relative humidity is reduced below 50%.
This is why some doctors recommend placing a dehumidifier in the asthma sufferers room.
Cheers,
Doug
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Thanks Doug I feel a lot better informed now.
Allergy stop seems to be a very good product if you can find the market for it, as is promite or any other dustmite inhibitor.
But at the end of the day its no different to selling carpet protector it is a up sell product
That you will have to work at
Neil
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Sherlock
i wouldn't say that we were blinkered, and we did actually try to explain the way the product works.
please remember that this doesn't only work on the dust mite problem but a range of others aswell.
I suffer badly with hayfever and can't wait to see what an effect ALLERGSTOP has on it this season!
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Ive just cut the grass and with in five mins my nose was blocked .A quick spray with allerg -stop room spray and it was as clear as a bell des
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Must cost a fortune to spray the lawn with that stuff ! ;)