Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: cozy on June 13, 2009, 11:01:03 am
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Hi guys,
I've been given a job that I have sub'd out to a firm I helped to sart up about 5 years ago. It's an indoor riding hall (horsey horsey) and they need it doing by next Friday. I don't want to do it and don't really have the time as I am abit behind on 1 of my areas.
Anyway, it's 600 sqr meters and trad it would take me at least 14 man hours to complete. Glas only, no frames, as you can see from the pics, it's all ladder work.
My question is, how long would this take you WFP guys? It's inside and outside, inside the hall is earth floor so you can WFP inside too.
The job is 670 quid plus VAT by the way.
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here is one side of 2
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hi
I could do it for £400 in a day, if your interested............. where is it?
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First clean including frames about 3hrs.
Good Pricing!
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Hi Jeff, I think you've misunderstood. I just wanted to know, how long it would take with WFP. By the way I'm in Germany :)
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I reckon half a day would do it, providing I'm looking at it right. Two sides and two ends; is that right?
Easy access by the looks of it, no high work, yep, half a day would cover it easily enough. Why aren't the frames cleaned by the way?
I guess now someone will say it'll take them an hour and a half and someone will say two weeks ........ I love this site!!
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i will do it for 350 quid plus expenses......100 quid for digs and diesel. ;)
nothing in that work at all, easy.
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From what I can see in the pictures a conservative guess WFP ", about 3hrs inside & out.
P.S IF the centre was in Bristol I'd sub it from you for that price. :)
SW.
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I reckon half a day would do it, providing I'm looking at it right. Two sides and two ends; is that right?
Yes, that's right.
They only have the frames cleaned once a year.
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hi
I could do it for £400 in a day, if your interested............. where is it?
Jeff, you could get a cheap flight with Easyjet and still make a few quid... ;D
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3 hours, might stretch to 4. Doubt it though. Theyre hardly going to need a kosher domestic clean. So 3.
EDIT: 3, theres only glass down one of the sides.
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hi
I could do it for £400 in a day, if your interested............. where is it?
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yep ill book a flight and spend the wages in a german brothel!!
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Calm down Jeff, they charge VAT on that too, 19% here ;D
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I agree - three to four hours.
At £670 that's £167.50 to £233.33 per hour :o :o :o
Don't forget taxmen look at these forums ::)
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Yes Ian, but you have to register for VAT and tax here from day 1, whether or not your turnover is 5 or 50000 a year.Gestopo changed it's name in May 1945 to TAX INSPECTORS!
These answers are the reason for me wanting to go WFP. TBH though, I can't charge the prices I do and finish the job in 4 hours. Hardly any boxheads use WFP here, none use it on domestic as the standard the German custies expect leaves no room for error. Apart from that, you don't need ladders on domestic as all windows are cleaned in and out and open inwards.
I just thought I could build a nice niche for myself doing riding halls like that. I recon ze Germans will pay 300 and not moan if I finish the job in under 4/5 hours. The WFP setup would pay for itself in 4 or 5 jobs.If this job took 6 hours as I work slower if I'm new to WFP, at 300 it's not a bad price. There are lots of these halls all over the place near me. As you can imagine, trad is a pain in the gearbox. 14 hours I recon, and all ladder work, now you can see why I sub'd it out.
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Cozy if that jobs is 2x Sides and 2x ends both in and out inc frames...I reckon that you would need around 4 to 5 hours hours to do it all and that price is really good!!
Were the same here...all work attracts 19% VAT.
Cheers
Dave.
ps make sure they don't use the hall for a good couple of hours as all the dust kicked up by the horses would stick like *(&& to a blanket!! ;D
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Thanks Dave, looks like July that I'll be over at your gaff to have a look and get clue'd up about WFP, if you're not on your hols ;D
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I think 4 to 5 hours, i'm surprised at some who said three (ian). With wfp you do have to get the frames (the ledges at least) clean or dirty water runs down off them.
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14 hours trad???? you avin a larf?
I'd knock the outsides out b4 lunch and insides b4 3pm trad. thats ith frames, I dont clean windows without doing the frames!
as for WFP 2-3 hours depending how many fly spots there are.
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Wow, I've never met a window cleaner whowas battery powered. Do they plug you in at the start of the day and just stand back ::).
I worked with a window cleaner on a big job who was as quick as I've ever seen; of course his work was poope and I'd never employ him to work on my contracts but I guess some folk's standards are lower than others :-[.
For the money quoted I'd at least do the job properly and two hours, in my opinion, wouldn't be long enough to do that :-\
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14 hours trad???? you avin a larf?
I'd knock the outsides out b4 lunch and insides b4 3pm trad. thats ith frames, I dont clean windows without doing the frames!
as for WFP 2-3 hours depending how many fly spots there are.
That is 600 square meters of glass, highest point 9 meters. All ladder work.
The WFP guys recon 4 - 5 hours and you are only 1 hour slower ?
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14 hours trad???? you avin a larf?
I'd knock the outsides out b4 lunch and insides b4 3pm trad. thats ith frames, I dont clean windows without doing the frames!
as for WFP 2-3 hours depending how many fly spots there are.
That is 600 square meters of glass, highest point 9 meters. All ladder work.
The WFP guys recon 4 - 5 hours and you are only 1 hour slower ?
I used to knock jobs like that out trad all day long. and the standard of my work is 2nd to none. there is a member on here who would vouch for that but I cant remember his user id. I've been cleaning windows for 8 years now and 7 of which trad on big/huge commercial jobs so i should be fast by now. who knows i may get slower as i age and get used to wfp which i've been using for only a year.
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Look forward to seeing you...got a couple of jobs you can do on your tod....
Got a backpack, trolley and of course the van mount...so we can give you a taste of the different kit...couple of different poles as well g/f, c/f Facelift, SL-X...
Cheers
Dave.
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Are you shure the insides could be wfp'd as all the framework would have to be really cleaned thus plenty of water used. Electric points, drainage etc?
14 hours trad!! ;D Man, that could be done in 8 no problem! (especially wi' mi wagtail flipper!) ;)
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Yes mac, it can be done inside with WFP as the hall has drainage. The frames are done twice a year, not this time. The subby is doing the job as a 3 man team on Wednesday.
I've never used wagtail, only seen the video. Could it really do that work at 35 ft high windows?
Don't forget mate, I've taken those pics and I said it's 600 sqr meters. It's only the hall to clean, not any other buildings. I think the fotos don't do it justice. I will let you know how long it took on Wednesday.
These pics seem to make the guys think it's only 2 ends and a few windows on the side. If you look closely at the pic from inside you can see the row of windows down the side. The sills are 2 and a half mtrs from the ground, so all ladder work.
600 square meters is alot of glass so 8 hours is 75 sqr meters of glass IN and OUT per hour, so doing 150 square meters an hour on ladders?
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thats not 35ft mate. pole the low level windows on the side. by pole i dont mean WFP I mean trad pole. out of interest how long have you been w/c?
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Yes mac, it can be done inside with WFP as the hall has drainage. The frames are done twice a year, not this time. The subby is doing the job as a 3 man team on Wednesday.
I've never used wagtail, only seen the video. Could it really do that work at 35 ft high windows?
Don't forget mate, I've taken those pics and I said it's 600 sqr meters. It's only the hall to clean, not any other buildings. I think the fotos don't do it justice. I will let you know how long it took on Wednesday.
These pics seem to make the guys think it's only 2 ends and a few windows on the side. If you look closely at the pic from inside you can see the row of windows down the side. The sills are 2 and a half mtrs from the ground, so all ladder work.
600 square meters is alot of glass so 8 hours is 75 sqr meters of glass IN and OUT per hour, so doing 150 square meters an hour on ladders?
You're right, photos NEVER do things justice. I use wagtail by hand & not from a pole, it's a quick tool. The height is very deceiving, 2.5m sills!
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thats not 35ft mate. pole the low level windows on the side. by pole i dont mean WFP I mean trad pole. out of interest how long have you been w/c?
If you look at the first pic you can see a bench, the sills are about 2 and a half mtrs from the ground. I recon the elements of the bottom row of windows is about 2.2 mtrs, don't do feet and inches but that front is about 10 to 11 mtrs high. I stood infront of it.
I used to do alot of commercial stuff in my first few years, been in this game since 89 and had a break of some years. Alltogether about 16 years. My mistake is I haven't shown every angle of this job. Some of you guys seem to think it's just the ends and a few other panes. 600 meters is alot more than just the ends lads.
How do you price jobs like this in UK?. Over here it's normally sqr mtrs and any ladder or CP work extra.
Wonder what price you would get in UK :o
Added later, those doors on the left of the first pic, they are to drive horse trucks into the hall, better to judge the size now I hope, sorry about the pics guys :-[
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I price work on how long it will take me defently not by m2 I'm a window cleaner not a tiler. lol
thats still not 35 ft. my ladder is 35 ft and reaches 3rd floor those top windows are no way 3rd floor more like a high 2nd.
if you have been at this game since 89 your probably quite a bit older than me hence why it will take you a little longer. dont beat yourself up about it. I'm sure when you were 29 you could bang it out in 7 hours
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion mate.
You're right and I've got my money ;D
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion mate.
never a truer word said.
here's a pic of a 35 ft ladder climb
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That's about right. 30 foot is roughly 10 meters.
All W/C's over here, without exception, price on square meters, ladder work, cherry picker & access. In all my years, my etimates are rarely more than 5% out (faster/slower) The reason I've sub'd this out, is because, I can earn the same money working on other jobs without ladders. Given the choice, everbody would do the same.
The last window cleaner measured the job and the custy is paying 1,35 €uro's plus VAT per square meter. Let's say the front is only 20 feet (it's not) but who cares?
All I wanted to know was, how long it would take a WFP guy to clean it.
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Those 4 windows where the window cleaner is would take about 10minutes off a ladder and he`d be huffin and puffin from just doing that,i do a place similar with almost identical windows and those 4 windows would be done inwell under 2 minutes.Jobs like that 1 above are a very good gauge to how quick WFP can be.
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Those 4 windows where the window cleaner is would take about 10minutes off a ladder and he`d be huffin and puffin from just doing that,i do a place similar with almost identical windows and those 4 windows would be done inwell under 2 minutes.Jobs like that 1 above are a very good gauge to how quick WFP can be.
your aving a larf, I dont do huffing and puffing! you should employ fit non smoking wc's ;D
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But you still wouldn't match a wfp user; nowhere near. He'd be done, sat in the van having his lunch whilst you were still only half way through.
Is that you in the picture?
It just reminds me why I invested in wfp; at 40 I'm old too, or maybe it's just wiser than I was at 29 ;)
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The higher the windows the more time saved with the pole in reality.
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guys your miss reading what i'm saying.
I agree WFP is so much faster, I would WFP everything if i could. The picture of a lad up a ladder was just to show the height comparison.
and its not me up the ladder its a mate. he didn't clean the windows just went up my ladder for the photo. he couldn't work at that night.
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Getting back to the original question...
Dont forget , if you are going to do the insides WFP , then include an extra hour for cleaning the horse poop of your hoses etc!! :o
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I'll let you know how he gets on tomorrow.
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It took 3 blokes just over 5 hours trad each. (all between 25 and 35 years old) Glad I didn't do it. ;D