Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: pingu on June 11, 2009, 07:37:59 pm
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I have been thinking about a 'Varitech bolt-on' hot system. Have spent ages trawling through loads of posts about it all...but and here it is...
I still do not know what the real day to day advantages are...I am not knocking 'hot'...the very opposite really...but I would love someone on here to be so kind to do a little write up about hot and it's pro's and cons.
If I were in the UK I would think I would try to get a day out with a 'hot operator' ;D to see it in action..but alas...very few wfp here in Holland and fewer hot I would suspect plus all they want to talk about is cheese, cloggs and the price of windmills!!
Thanks
Dave...
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As far as i am aware, you can buy a Webasto and a box made by them for it to sit in. I am sure this is what a dealer in the U.K said.
I have had a hot system since i started out waterfed pole. In the winter it keeps the pole and hoses warm and supple and the windows dry up slightly quicker. In the summer it removes baked on bird poo alot easier. First cleans are a bit quicker, and i find that on ali frames that oxidize, if you scrub and rinse well on the first clean, then use hot thereafter you dont have the problems of runs and spots on the subsequent cleans, imo.
The cons, well it costs about £5 a day to run, i dont notice this and i dont know if thats true, as my system is plugged into the vans diesel system so have no idea really the true cost. Would i go back to cold, in a word no!
www.webasto.com/home/en/homepage.html if you put in Netherlands it will give you a dealer near by to you. You could have a word and see if they would fit one for you to your system, im sure you could find somebody that would.
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www.webasto.co.uk/general/en/am_marine_3442.html
Here you go, they call it the webasto water station.
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Any ideas how much the webasto water station is?
Cheers jay
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I`m not saying another thing about them until i get my "free" hosereel that i should have got with it.
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I`m not saying another thing about them until i get my "free" hosereel that i should have got with it.
Ha ha ;D
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Any ideas how much the webasto water station is?
Cheers jay
No, you would have to call a local dealer/supplier to find out. The 5kw ones, so good enough for a one man set up are/were around £800-£1000, but that was not in the box. If the box is alot of money, you could make one up yourself i suppose.
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NWH,
I can send you a hose and reel but it's not worth £500 quid.
Cheers jay
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I've rung webasto dealers and can get a thermo 90s with header tank and heat exchanger. The same stuff as a major player uses for £1556 Inc vat. And they vary from dealer to dealer. I will ring and get a price on the water station.
Cheers jay
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I've rung webasto dealers and can get a thermo 90s with header tank and heat exchanger. The same stuff as a major player uses for £1556 Inc vat. And they vary from dealer to dealer. I will ring and get a price on the water station.
Cheers jay
Yeah ive got the 9kw one and run with this for 2 hot hoses.
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Can you use both the Thermo 50 and the Thermo 90S for WFP? And if so what would be the difference between the two?
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Yeah, my Ionics hot system has an older version of the Thermo 50.
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I think we should do some research to find out which webasto dealer will sell them for the best price. I dont think that there would be a lot invloved in fittint them to a system.
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There are a few places that sell Webasto systems, when i phoned round last year, there wasnt much between them all. I suppose like most brands, the dealers have set prices. They come with instructions on how to install them.
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As per previous post I have rung all the webasto dealers listed. The best price was from advanced auto electrics in Manchester, they priced a new thermo 90s at £1056.0 plus vat and the worst was £1900 plus vat.
I'm a tight arse with cash and want the best deal.
Cheers jay
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As per previous post I have rung all the webasto dealers listed. The best price was from advanced auto electrics in Manchester, they priced a new thermo 90s at £1056.0 plus vat and the worst was £1900 plus vat.
I'm a tight arse with cash and want the best deal.
Cheers jay
Was that for the whole system? Ie all the hoses, wiring looms ect ect? Was the heat adjustable? Do you get the frost protection and timer with it?
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The price of £1556.0 which Inc vat was for a new webasto thermo 90s, Inc fitting kit and control / timer plus a 12 litre header tank and heat exchanger with twin drain.
This Inc 2 day delivery.
Cheers jay
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Thats a good price. Be able to run 2 hoses off that.
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This is all you need as it comes with all hoses for £790,header tank has to be bought on it`s own.
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The same dealer could do a 4 kw webasto at aprox £400 plus vat and a 5 kw at £600 plus vat. I'm looking at Eberspacher dealers to see what prices they come back with.
It's the same as when Wfp first came out. In a few months we will be building diy for a few pounds.
Cheers jay
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Nice on . Keep us informed please.
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Just wondering if the wc that emailed advanced auto Elec did pete come back with a better price?
Cheers jay
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Hi All,
I emailed Advance Auto Electric in Manchester for more information about the Webasto heaters. Below is the reply they sent me. They seem very helpfull. I hope people find this information usefull.
Hi,
Thanks for your enquiry, i hope that this info is o.k. for you.
The thermo 50 is a 24volt unit. The Thermo Top C is the 12volt 5.2kw heater and you can get it in a petrol or diesel fired unit. The universal (uv) kit comes with a timer but it will only run for one hour, and is only good for a pre-heat.
An over ride switch should be used to run it all day. A frost stat can be wired in to the system but is not supplied with it. The Thermo 90S is now replaced by the Thermo 90ST and its the one to be used for a two pole unit but is not supplied with a timer or switch at all in the euro kit. A timer can be supplied as an extra part if required.
The cost of the heater kits to you would be. Thermo Top C diesel. £648.72 with out vat. Thermo 90ST would be £981.74 with out vat. (The list price is £810.90 and £1227.17 + vat)
The TTC is supplied with a uv wiring loom, fuel pipe and fittings, fuel pump, one mt exhaust pipe, exhaust silencer, combustion air pipe,uv mounting bracket, uv water pipe and fittings, timer, fuel T fitting kit, and a bag of screws and bolts etc.
The T90ST is supplied with much the same. But no timer, no fuel fittings and no switch gear at all.
A hot plate heat exchanger will also be required and it is supplied with a mixer valve kit to control the water outlet temp to the pole.
A 10/12 Ltr header/expansion tank would also be required.
I have enclosed a pic of the TTC heater kit. We could supply you with a heater, plastic header tank. hot plate heat exchanger and control panel all mounted on a alloy universal bracket. We can also supply you with fuel tank fittings if required. You would just need to run a neg and a pos from your extra battery to the heater panel, drill a hole in the floor for the exhaust and combustion air pipes and connect the cold water in and the hot water out to make the system work.
We can supply an automatic split charge unit for the extra battery if it's not all ready fitted, and silicone grommets for the floor to run the exhaust etc through, and lagging to cover the exhaust to stop people from burning them selves.
If you require extra info it might be worth giving me a call. Please don't reply to this e-mail address has i don't check it from one week to the next, use the works one.
Regards Peter Ryan.
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Advance Auto Electric Ltd.
28 Longwood Road
Trafford Park
Manchester
M17 1PZ
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Has anyone bought from Advanced Auto Elec?
Cheers Jason
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i just fill my tank with hot water in the morning
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I'm not knocking hot at all.....but one of my clients who has been WFP for over 10 years has just recently stopped using a hot system as he found the benefits did not outweigh the extra expense/hassle and the extra strain it put on his hose and fittings.
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When I was using shureflo pump with flow control box I use to have my hose swell up but never lost any connections. Since using Flojet pumps with higher flow rate I haven't had any problems with hose swelling after several months use.
Hot water is quicker and means less scrubbing on bird muck without any doubt and time saving as well so for me the time saved outweighs the running costs.
If all my work was inland (not coastal) perhaps I might possibly consider going cold during the summer, but definitely not in the winter when it's almost freezing.