Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: niceandclean on June 08, 2009, 05:37:48 pm
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Hi, can anybody recommend a decent vacuum cleaner for carpets. Its just for home use, Dyson i dont rate and have had two, and im now on a Hoover 2000w thing and its not very good either!
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I have a Sebo BS36, which the wife keeps taking off the van to do ours
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My wife loves "Hetty" the pink hoover.... I reckon Derek West's got one ;D
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Sebo Bs36 for me but they are quite heavy they do also have a sebo dart and are both recommended by Which Magazine.
Hope this helps
Paul
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i have a sebo x1.1
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x4 professional
geoff
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Kirby 2nd hand off ebay.
Anything from heritage 2 up.
Graeme
Access Cleaning Solutions
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For home use we have Sebo Felix. Great machine.
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We have a dyson for home :)
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The Royal looks good but it's a shame it doesn't go right up the edges.
Shaun
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Dyson build quality is crap but they are pretty good in use as long as you empty them often enough. Like the Kirby also but a bit heavy and I hate paper bags.
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Dyson build quality is crap but they are pretty good in use as long as you empty them often enough. Like the Kirby also but a bit heavy and I hate paper bags.
I could not agree more. No vacuum cleaner can be like a Dyson, which is why the suction drops on all bagless cleaners which are not Dyson. I am no fan of paper bags but then a bagless non-dyson cleaner is my worst nightmare to empty. We have used several Dyson uprights on our domestic jobs and they clean up like nothing else. They have lasted about a year each which was quite good given the amount of work they had to do. You can get Dysons new for around £150 and they have a 5 yr guarentee for normal domestic use. You can't argue with that really.
If its a tub vac you want, I would go for something by Numatic.
By the way, motor wattage is not the be-all and end-all, despite the fact that the world would have you beleive so ::)
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Agree with the last sentence which also applies to High PSI and CFM's. Size is'nt always what matters. It's expertise your tool's that get's the best result. ;D
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The Sebo Dart is ideal for home use. Superb vacuum and easy to use. It`s very ligh. My wife loves it.
Phil
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sebo bs36, built to last and the best selling commercial cleaner.
Dysons are not built to be carried in a van, just for nice placing in cupboards, good vac though, if maintained
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Thanks all for taking time out to reply. Looks like the sebo is highly recommended. Where would be the best place to buy one?
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http://www.sebo.co.uk/
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You can get good deals by searching for Sebo on the internet.
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Try here http://www.vicol.co.uk/shop/product.php?xProd=116
or sometimes ebay have some good bargains on used, generally upto 1/2 price
Andrew
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Loads of places sell them new. I think Alltec still supply them or Cleansmart
http://www.cleansmartsupplies.co.uk/acatalog/Sebo_BS36_&_BS46.html
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Felix. £173 inc vat and del.
http://www.paysan.co.uk/Sebo-Felix-Ice-Blue-Upright-Vacuum-Cleaner-p-19300.html
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Get the sebo dart2 brilliant home or work goes round corners good design
www.redsale.co.uk £179.99 including vat real good price tel 08452709820 click on commercial vacuums
CHEERS TONY
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Excellent, thanks guys. I have a dog, only short hairs, would i need to buy the pet sebo machine?
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The term 'pet' usually means that there is a carbon filter to absorb smells and also some kind of suction-powered turbo head for stairs (or indeed carpets if its a cylinder type). I can't abide turbo heads as the noise can be unbearable and they are only as good as the suction which spins the brushes.
The trouble I had using commercial uprights is that the handles are usually very long, making the thing really difficult to turn. Those of you who are used to vacuuming rooms which are more or less empty will probably not agree with that, but pushing one round a room full of furniture can be hard going.
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In word no
CHEERS TONY
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Great, thanks again, i will get one ordered! ;D
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I am not looking to sell on here but I do sell sebos to my customers as an add on .I dont sell big volumes and not being vat registered am not competitive on commercials ,ok on domestic when vat is in the price and they cant claim it back.
Cant compete or wont compete on internet prices as not any margin left.
Mike.
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Vicol in Letchworth have a deal on at the mo with Sebo's, tried to put the www up on here but it doesnt want to.
Probably me tho'.
Murky
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Andrew Briscoe put the put the web address up for Vicol yesterday.
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if ur willing to buy secondhand theres quite a few on ebay of the sebo bs36, it may also be worth searching for replica bs35s made by both diversey lever and karcher
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yeah vicol top service rang at 5 ordered a sebo bs 46 it was there at 9 the next morning plus the european girl on the phone couldn have helped enough
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Hi guys, just thought id give you an update. Bought a Sebo felix from Redsale and the misses is well chuffed! Had a result on the price as well, got the pet one with the turbo brush for £188.00 inc delivery and a 5 year warranty. It also is quite retro looking, so goes well with the house ha ha!
Thanks again for the advice!
:)
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Nice one Redsale do some brilliant deals on SEBO.
CHEERS TONY
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Nice one Redsale do some brilliant deals on SEBO.
CHEERS TONY
Yes they do, thanks for putting the link up. We ordered it at 17.00, it was packed at 17.58 according to paperwork, and was with us at 9.30 next day!!!
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The sebo bs36 that everyone seems to use only has a motor of 1300 watts which is not really powerful, very little suction, the only good thing about them is they have a beater bar.
Try the Mielle 2400watts, agreed they look like a domestic vac but the suction is unbelievable!!
Would never use a sebo 1300watt vacuum thats going backwards...
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You are correct in saying most carpet cleaners, including myself, use the BS36 and I would say most know its only 1300w on the vac motor. In fact, my Karcher version is less then that.
I wonder why they still buy the BS36 knowing this?
Perhaps its because it works.
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I've had the BS36 fror a week and I can't believe I've been struggling all this time with a bloody Numatic. The BS36 does work.... And it works very well. It's exceeded my expectations.... Didn't get it cheap tho >:(
I've had other uprights that "Say" they are more powerful, but they've all gone to Hoover Heaven ;D
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I've had the BS36 fror a week and I can't believe I've been struggling all this time with a bloody Numatic. The BS36 does work.... And it works very well. It's exceeded my expectations.... Didn't get it cheap tho >:(
I've had other uprights that "Say" they are more powerful, but they've all gone to Hoover Heaven ;D
Again, take a look at the Mielle 2400 watt vacuum cat and dog model £220 approx. Full adjustable suction power. When I first used it I thought it was like my very first porty vac, you can actually see the carpet lift up with the power, now that's a bonus even BEFORE you start to clean the carpet to get all the grit, debris and dirt out deep down to the backing and beyond.
The bs36 don't do that, I know. cos I got one of them as well..... and it stays in the shed now, fully retired...
;)
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You are correct in saying most carpet cleaners, including myself, use the BS36 and I would say most know its only 1300w on the vac motor. In fact, my Karcher version is less then that.
I wonder why they still buy the BS36 knowing this?
Perhaps its because it works.
Many carpet cleaners use the bs36 because it LOOKS commercial and professional, however compared to the vac I mentioned it is very under powered. I know what I would prefer.
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Clean edge, the difference is the sebo has TWO vac motors so its 1300 is dedicated to suction and so does not lose energy driving the beater bar, it has a seperate motor for the beater bar.
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Clean edge, the difference is the sebo has TWO vac motors so its 1300 is dedicated to suction and so does not lose energy driving the beater bar, it has a seperate motor for the beater bar.
Ok, thanks I didn't know that, but still under powered compared to 2400 watt Mielle - no competition really :P
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I think you're right about looks actually.... That's why I'll stick with my bs36 :P
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Clean edge, the difference is the sebo has TWO vac motors so its 1300 is dedicated to suction and so does not lose energy driving the beater bar, it has a seperate motor for the beater bar.
Ok, thanks I didn't know that, but still under powered compared to 2400 watt Mielle - no competition really :P
I really can't comment as I never use a Mielle :P
;D
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My wife cleans a house and they have a Miele Cat & Dog and she reckons its a very good machine.
However, am I correct it saying its a cylinder model with a turbo brush?
Cylinder cleaners generally have bigger wattage motors then uprights. Thats to compensate for the length of hose it has to move air from. Uprights are on top of the job.
Cylinders do not do the job of as good as an upright with a beat bar. The BS36 digs deep.
I also have a 10 year old Kirby which works very efficiently too.
The BS36 does a very good job.
I have a Sebo Felix as our home machine, its 12" wide with the same motors as the BS36 (14" wide), I think the Felix does a better job then the BS36 but no as well built.
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I also have a 10 year old Kirby which works very efficiently too.
You didn't buy a Kirby did you? Had the chap around, had the demo, years ago mind, the bloke I remember wouldn't take no for an answer, ended up throwing him and his stuff out front door literally :o ;D
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The machine is good.
I dont like their sales methods.
Yes of course I bought a Kirby, no one been generous enough to gove me one and I dont pinch them ;D
Bought off Ebay a year ago, for £110.
Dont use it as frequently as the Sebo/Karcher, mainly because its a pain to put the hose on to do edges.
Plain open spaces - yep, a good cleaner.
Wouldnt buy a brand new one, no vac is worth anywhere near £1000 never mind the starting price of £1400-£1500.
The Royal gets good reviews but putting the hose on that is worse then doing the Kirby I believe.
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The Royal gets good reviews but putting the hose on that is worse then doing the Kirby I believe.
Exactly why I carry a fantastic cylinder vac with me as well as the Royal. They're both best at what they're designed for :)
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The wattage for cylinder vacuum cleaners was always higher because the machine cleaned by suction alone, whereas the uprights had revolving brushes and didnt need as much power. Add to which, a lot of older uprights (and all the Kirbys) use a 'dirty fan' system which means dust and debris passes through the suction fan, which is not ideal, but it does create a good suction on a very low wattage motor. However, good filtration on this type of machine is almost impossible, hence why almost all upright now have cylinder-style 'clean fan' motors.
In the last few years motor wattage has been increased to compensate for the poor internal design of the vacuum cleaner. This is why the Dyson cleans have -by comparison- low wattage motors, because Dyson cleaners are well designed (if not fragile) to make best use of the motor.
In addition, most bagless cleaners are little more than a tank with a crappy filter, so need lots of suction to off-set the fact that the filter is liable to clog almost immediatly, thus reducing the cleaning power to very little.
Sadly, the public now perceive cleaners with high wattage motors to be the 'best' (i can see that some of you guys do too), whereas the fact is that they are running up the electrcity bills and are overheating themseleves into the process. A Vacuum cleaner of 2400 watts is using the same power as a tumble-dryer, yet no one considers a vacuum cleaner to be expensive to run. When all is said and done, you have to ask why the likes of Numatic make cleaners with large dustbags and motors rated around 1200 watts. Its because it 'works'.
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My wife cleans a house and they have a Miele Cat & Dog and she reckons its a very good machine.
However, am I correct it saying its a cylinder model with a turbo brush?
Yes, it does (or it will have had one when new). But as the suction drops the rotating brushes spin more slowly as there isn't the driving force. The turbo heads are better on pet hair than an ordinary cylinder, but nothing beats a good upright on pet hairs, not really.
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At the end of the day, I'm looking for results and at 2400 watts it pulls a hefty punch and leaves my BS36 standing everytime.
Electricity? I'm only using the vac for less than 5 mins per room.....
When I use the BS36 all I can see is the pile be lifted with very little suction, use the Mielle and wow, it's so powerful its like using my triple vac ;)
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re: electricity, when vacuuming houses for the purpose of cleaning the house (and not for the purpose of pre-cleaning a carpet which is about to be cleaned), the vacuum may be running for quite a while, especially if using it to dust surfaces, curtains, etc. Some people also vacuum their houses for several hours a week (in total). That's when the power consumption adds up.
One of the very best cleaners i have ever used was the old Hoover Turbopower; it was rated at 400 watts (due to the design) and had a really good roller brush. The build-quality of the machine was not good, the power on the tools was dire, and the filtration poor, but they didnt half groom carpets when used in 'upright' mode.
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Clean Edge
How old and how well used is your BS36?
Could it be the motor is worn and not as efficient a s when new.
Also - the head width on the Sebo is 360mm, what is the head width on the Miele.
Thats important when you are taking the efficiency into account. A wider head is going to be quicker to cover a room.
The rotating head brush on the BS36 is going to help loosen deep soil, lift it to the surface to be vacummed up by the main motor.
How does the Miele assist in the area?
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Sebo dart2 beats them all 8) 8)