Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: ftp on June 04, 2009, 09:09:23 pm
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Had one of my regular cleans today. This house always beads like mad but looks brilliant from the drive. Finished the clean then he asks to have his conservatory roof cleaned. This gave all the windows time to dry in the baking sun. So when i'd finished it gave me time to check all the windows. I couldn't find one perfect one. Talk about gutted! TDS 000 best brushes and plenty of experience now. This system is crap.
I've said it loads of times before but let's be honest, when you have a really close look it's not brilliant is it?
Maybe I was a printer too long (studying fine detail).
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I had to detail a house for 8 months after wfp'ing it before the windows came up spotless.
It's getting that state the 1st time which is the difficulty.
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i think ur right mate. it is no good on some windows iam getting p off with it to .
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Ive got no complaints
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Yo Dave,
I've a TDS of 8. I don't use resin. I keep cups, cable ties & stuff rolling around in me tank on the quad.
But when I go back 6 weeks later, most of the windows are looking gooooodd. And no complaints in the last year.
Uhhh?
Kevin.
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No genuine complaints from customers, but for me it's never good enough.
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No genuine complaints from customers, but for me it's never good enough.
As soon as you walk away they start getting dirty again. So why get totally perfectionist?
Forget the old job. This game ain't in Black & White forever!
Kevin.
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At least you are honest Dave, all the ones that say their windows are 100% perfect every time either need glasses or have a low standard of workmanship.
WFP is not perfect but hopefully its good enough for the customers, as they got far more important thing going on in their life than following you around window to window checking the glass/frames, well ok some of them do ;D
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[quoteI've said it loads of times before but let's be honest, when you have a really close look it's not brilliant is it?]
I agree with that 100% some windows come up really spotless but mostly its as ftp says
am the same as u mate for me its not good enough
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i did a bungalow yesterday, a elderly lady, i have allways done it trad, as i knew she wouldnt understand WFP
i arrive and park up across the road, she comes out and says " can you do the frames please, i know you said you had 1 of them special devices, a mate of mine has her's done and she says the frames come up great, i can pay extra "
i am shocked, amazed
i tell her i didnt think she would "get wfp" and she laughed
so she asked me how much extra it will be
i put it up a few quid
i explain the first few cleans are not 100 % ( and they often are not )
i then do 1 inside window, its red hot and the window has dried allready outside
the window looks CRAP
so i do it again outside
i have a freshly sqeezed lemon drink off the lady
go back to the room and check it again
still a few runs of spots
your right, its not 100 %
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i did a bungalow yesterday, a elderly lady, i have allways done it trad, as i knew she wouldnt understand WFP
i arrive and park up across the road, she comes out and says " can you do the frames please, i know you said you had 1 of them special devices, a mate of mine has her's done and she says the frames come up great, i can pay extra "
i am shocked, amazed
i tell her i didnt think she would "get wfp" and she laughed
so she asked me how much extra it will be
i put it up a few quid
i explain the first few cleans are not 100 % ( and they often are not )
i then do 1 inside window, its red hot and the window has dried allready outside
the window looks CRAP
so i do it again outside
i have a freshly sqeezed lemon drink off the lady
go back to the room and check it again
still a few runs of spots
your right, its not 100 %
lesson there Matt, dont judge people on what you think, think over your customer base and you could be costing yourself big money, disney princess dress every trip ;)
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Really wondering why so many of you have so many problems. I'm the worst of the worst with being picky, and yes beading windows are always tricky, but you just need to take your time rinsing, get in to all the corners, use the brush on the windows, whilst guiding the water down. Not that difficult. ???
What are you guys doing? Wrong brush? Bad flowrate? etc?
The only time there are any problems is when the frames are in a bad state. Or if the seals are brittle or poorly, but you know after a while which ones are going to come up well and which ones need extra attention to come up well. If the frames are really badly oxidised, forget it, and use a blade and applicator.
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i did a bungalow yesterday, a elderly lady, i have allways done it trad, as i knew she wouldnt understand WFP
i arrive and park up across the road, she comes out and says " can you do the frames please, i know you said you had 1 of them special devices, a mate of mine has her's done and she says the frames come up great, i can pay extra "
i am shocked, amazed
i tell her i didnt think she would "get wfp" and she laughed
so she asked me how much extra it will be
i put it up a few quid
i explain the first few cleans are not 100 % ( and they often are not )
i then do 1 inside window, its red hot and the window has dried allready outside
the window looks CRAP
so i do it again outside
i have a freshly sqeezed lemon drink off the lady
go back to the room and check it again
still a few runs of spots
your right, its not 100 %
lesson there Matt, dont judge people on what you think, think over your customer base and you could be costing yourself big money, disney princess dress every trip ;)
to be honest ian, i am now all WFP apart from a few bungalows ( now 4 ) and 2 of them are insides aswell, so they have to be done trad
the thing is, if i had tried to sel her the idea she would have laughed and told me not to bother, its only because her mate has them done and she sold her the frames idea
ref the disney dress, last trip we went , my daughter had a dress, $110 :o :o shocking price, nice dress though
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Same as you Tim, I don't understand why people are getting it wrong.
The only thing I can think of is to rinse each pane straight after scrub not scrub 4 frames then rinse them all off (at it's extreme). If you lossen the dirt then rinse before it dries then I can't see what is going wrong.
Really wondering why so many of you have so many problems. I'm the worst of the worst with being picky, and yes beading windows are always tricky, but you just need to take your time rinsing, get in to all the corners, use the brush on the windows, whilst guiding the water down. Not that difficult. ???
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i did a bungalow yesterday, a elderly lady, i have allways done it trad, as i knew she wouldnt understand WFP
i arrive and park up across the road, she comes out and says " can you do the frames please, i know you said you had 1 of them special devices, a mate of mine has her's done and she says the frames come up great, i can pay extra "
i am shocked, amazed
i tell her i didnt think she would "get wfp" and she laughed
so she asked me how much extra it will be
i put it up a few quid
i explain the first few cleans are not 100 % ( and they often are not )
i then do 1 inside window, its red hot and the window has dried allready outside
the window looks CRAP
so i do it again outside
i have a freshly sqeezed lemon drink off the lady
go back to the room and check it again
still a few runs of spots
your right, its not 100 %
lesson there Matt, dont judge people on what you think, think over your customer base and you could be costing yourself big money, disney princess dress every trip ;)
to be honest ian, i am now all WFP apart from a few bungalows ( now 4 ) and 2 of them are insides aswell, so they have to be done trad
the thing is, if i had tried to sel her the idea she would have laughed and told me not to bother, its only because her mate has them done and she sold her the frames idea
ref the disney dress, last trip we went , my daughter had a dress, $110 :o :o shocking price, nice dress though
I am trying to make this sound good all though it is sad, We buried my 3 years old neice last year in her favourite disney princess dress, her dress was beutiful cost a fortune, but kids are precious and worth every penny, also have to say to you Matt I totally respect what you do and they way you do it for your kids, although I tend to disagree with yuo a lot of the time, we both want the same goal ;)
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just finished all my domestic monthy work today, every one i went to was still perfect, not a mark or spot on them, i must be doing something right, and all i use is a backpack, harris pole, and the vikan sill brush, which is the best imo, nothing stands in its way, and gets into every nook and cranny,
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just finished all my domestic monthy work today, every one i went to was still perfect, not a mark or spot on them, i must be doing something right, and all i use is a backpack, harris pole, and the vikan sill brush, which is the best imo, nothing stands in its way, and gets into every nook and cranny,
if they ones made the sill brush square and brisals that di not bend in they would be the best brusg in the world my guy swears but the one hes uses, I on the other hand look at every bit, and check with laddrs every now and again on my guy and there are parts than I can see they fail in, customers are happy, but I like to find fault and he hates me for it lol.
Alex I think should make a sill brush now that could be a winner.
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Yea, Alex's brush should be good. The Vikan brush must weigh a ton, I found the square red one already heavy, but the sill brush must be like a ton of bricks.
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you can come and inspect mine anyday ian, ;D i already put this to alex, a lighter version of the sill brush would be better, but as i only do domestic, the weight of the brush is not that bad, it is way over exaggerated,
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you can come and inspect mine anyday ian, ;D i already put this to alex, a lighter version of the sill brush would be better, but as i only do domestic, the weight of the brush is not that bad
make me one and I will pay you for it Joe, I have vikan sills, and super light and vikan noramal brushes, I would be interested to see what you have up your sleeve as I knwo you love to tinker and find new bits.
Ian
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i love comming up with new ideas, every little bit helps, heres my demo of the me refilling a backpack the easy way ;D
http://s184.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid184.photobucket.com/albums/x75/trainingacademy/04062009.flv&fs=1&os=1&ap=1
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i did a bungalow yesterday, a elderly lady, i have allways done it trad, as i knew she wouldnt understand WFP
i arrive and park up across the road, she comes out and says " can you do the frames please, i know you said you had 1 of them special devices, a mate of mine has her's done and she says the frames come up great, i can pay extra "
i am shocked, amazed
i tell her i didnt think she would "get wfp" and she laughed
so she asked me how much extra it will be
i put it up a few quid
i explain the first few cleans are not 100 % ( and they often are not )
i then do 1 inside window, its red hot and the window has dried allready outside
the window looks CRAP
so i do it again outside
i have a freshly sqeezed lemon drink off the lady
go back to the room and check it again
still a few runs of spots
your right, its not 100 %
lesson there Matt, dont judge people on what you think, think over your customer base and you could be costing yourself big money, disney princess dress every trip ;)
to be honest ian, i am now all WFP apart from a few bungalows ( now 4 ) and 2 of them are insides aswell, so they have to be done trad
the thing is, if i had tried to sel her the idea she would have laughed and told me not to bother, its only because her mate has them done and she sold her the frames idea
ref the disney dress, last trip we went , my daughter had a dress, $110 :o :o shocking price, nice dress though
I am trying to make this sound good all though it is sad, We buried my 3 years old neice last year in her favourite disney princess dress, her dress was beutiful cost a fortune, but kids are precious and worth every penny, also have to say to you Matt I totally respect what you do and they way you do it for your kids, although I tend to disagree with yuo a lot of the time, we both want the same goal ;)
watch it ian, that was allmost a compliment ;) but i get what you mean :)
i cannot imagine life without my children :(
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i did a bungalow yesterday, a elderly lady, i have allways done it trad, as i knew she wouldnt understand WFP
i arrive and park up across the road, she comes out and says " can you do the frames please, i know you said you had 1 of them special devices, a mate of mine has her's done and she says the frames come up great, i can pay extra "
i am shocked, amazed
i tell her i didnt think she would "get wfp" and she laughed
so she asked me how much extra it will be
i put it up a few quid
i explain the first few cleans are not 100 % ( and they often are not )
i then do 1 inside window, its red hot and the window has dried allready outside
the window looks CRAP
so i do it again outside
i have a freshly sqeezed lemon drink off the lady
go back to the room and check it again
still a few runs of spots
your right, its not 100 %
lesson there Matt, dont judge people on what you think, think over your customer base and you could be costing yourself big money, disney princess dress every trip ;)
to be honest ian, i am now all WFP apart from a few bungalows ( now 4 ) and 2 of them are insides aswell, so they have to be done trad
the thing is, if i had tried to sel her the idea she would have laughed and told me not to bother, its only because her mate has them done and she sold her the frames idea
ref the disney dress, last trip we went , my daughter had a dress, $110 :o :o shocking price, nice dress though
I am trying to make this sound good all though it is sad, We buried my 3 years old neice last year in her favourite disney princess dress, her dress was beutiful cost a fortune, but kids are precious and worth every penny, also have to say to you Matt I totally respect what you do and they way you do it for your kids, although I tend to disagree with yuo a lot of the time, we both want the same goal ;)
watch it ian, that was allmost a compliment ;) but i get what you mean :)
i cannot imagine life without my children :(
It was a compliment to you Matt, but just to even it out for you so I don't do you head in, I dont like the hippy van ;D
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i did a bungalow yesterday, a elderly lady, i have allways done it trad, as i knew she wouldnt understand WFP
i arrive and park up across the road, she comes out and says " can you do the frames please, i know you said you had 1 of them special devices, a mate of mine has her's done and she says the frames come up great, i can pay extra "
i am shocked, amazed
i tell her i didnt think she would "get wfp" and she laughed
so she asked me how much extra it will be
i put it up a few quid
i explain the first few cleans are not 100 % ( and they often are not )
i then do 1 inside window, its red hot and the window has dried allready outside
the window looks CRAP
so i do it again outside
i have a freshly sqeezed lemon drink off the lady
go back to the room and check it again
still a few runs of spots
your right, its not 100 %
lesson there Matt, dont judge people on what you think, think over your customer base and you could be costing yourself big money, disney princess dress every trip ;)
to be honest ian, i am now all WFP apart from a few bungalows ( now 4 ) and 2 of them are insides aswell, so they have to be done trad
the thing is, if i had tried to sel her the idea she would have laughed and told me not to bother, its only because her mate has them done and she sold her the frames idea
ref the disney dress, last trip we went , my daughter had a dress, $110 :o :o shocking price, nice dress though
I am trying to make this sound good all though it is sad, We buried my 3 years old neice last year in her favourite disney princess dress, her dress was beutiful cost a fortune, but kids are precious and worth every penny, also have to say to you Matt I totally respect what you do and they way you do it for your kids, although I tend to disagree with yuo a lot of the time, we both want the same goal ;)
watch it ian, that was allmost a compliment ;) but i get what you mean :)
i cannot imagine life without my children :(
It was a compliment to you Matt, but just to even it out for you so I don't do you head in, I dont like the hippy van ;D
;D neither will i next week
i have to change all the brake hoses :( and 1 of the steering track rods :( :(
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I'm so pleased I'm trad after reading all of this. OK it must be said that trad has it's faults...windows that are inaccessable, working off lethal ladders ::), impracticable in rain...and slower.
However when I clean a window I know 100% that when I walk away I'm leaving behind a perfectly clean window. Complaints? I'll need to look the word up in my dictionary 8)....ah right...the Oxford Concise definition: an illness or medical condition, a reason for dissatisfaction.
I don't have complaints that I'm buggering-up the double glazing ::). I don't have complaints that my trailing hose has knocked over and smashed the garden gnome ;D. Nobody complains in winter that the water I've left around the house has turned into sheet ice and aunt Ada slipped and broke her hip on it :(.
I don't worry about tds, or resin, or brushes, or rectus type 019, or pumps, or backpacks, or how long my "pole" is ;D
For me the simple life: Ladder, bucket, sponge, squeegee, scrim...and finish!
I think wfp is good in theory... ;D
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I'm so pleased I'm trad after reading all of this. OK it must be said that trad has it's faults...windows that are inaccessable, working off lethal ladders ::), impracticable in rain...and slower.
However when I clean a window I know 100% that when I walk away I'm leaving behind a perfectly clean window. Complaints? I'll need to look the word up in my dictionary 8)....ah right...the Oxford Concise definition: an illness or medical condition, a reason for dissatisfaction.
I don't have complaints that I'm buggering-up the double glazing ::). I don't have complaints that my trailing hose has knocked over and smashed the garden gnome ;D. Nobody complains in winter that the water I've left around the house has turned into sheet ice and aunt Ada slipped and broke her hip on it :(.
I don't worry about tds, or resin, or brushes, or rectus type 019, or pumps, or backpacks, or how long my "pole" is ;D
For me the simple life: Ladder, bucket, sponge, squeegee, scrim...and finish!
I think wfp is good in theory... ;D
i agree 100 %
though i will stick to WFP, why ? ? ? ? because i am pretty much sure i will be returning home between 3.30 and 4.00 that afternoon
for me, its just the safety aspect
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Matt, I agree safety is of paramount importance and it's where wfp scores massively over trad. Don't mind me, I'm just engaging in a bit of harmless Friday banter ;D
I feel that for trad guys attacking wfp is good sport and should be recognised as such, to me it's a bit like fox hunting...not especially nice...but bloody good fun!
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Matt, I agree safety is of paramount importance and it's where wfp scores massively over trad. Don't mind me, I'm just engaging in a bit of harmless Friday banter ;D
I feel that for trad guys attacking wfp is good sport and should be recognised as such, to me it's a bit like fox hunting...not especially nice...but bloody good fun!
;D ;D ;D i knew that ;)
i remember when sqeeky was still trad, happy and funny days
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Matt, I agree safety is of paramount importance and it's where wfp scores massively over trad. Don't mind me, I'm just engaging in a bit of harmless Friday banter ;D
I feel that for trad guys attacking wfp is good sport and should be recognised as such, to me it's a bit like fox hunting...not especially nice...but bloody good fun!
;D ;D ;D i knew that ;)
i remember when sqeeky was still trad, happy and funny days
And where is the Squeeks these days?...Ain't seen anything for ages :(
Ian: Didn't read until now about your niece...no words mate!!!
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Matt, I agree safety is of paramount importance and it's where wfp scores massively over trad. Don't mind me, I'm just engaging in a bit of harmless Friday banter ;D
I feel that for trad guys attacking wfp is good sport and should be recognised as such, to me it's a bit like fox hunting...not especially nice...but bloody good fun!
;D ;D ;D i knew that ;)
i remember when sqeeky was still trad, happy and funny days
And where is the Squeeks these days?...Ain't seen anything for ages :(
i guess he has a life now ;) ;)
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I wasn't going to get involved with it, but here goes anyway.
Simon, with all due respect, if you haven't mastered wfp, don't knock it. Problems arise because people don't have a clue what they are doing.
However when I clean a window I know 100% that when I walk away I'm leaving behind a perfectly clean window. Complaints?
Never get complaints, and when I walk away from the windows I know 100% it's coming up well. Experience and Skill.
I don't have complaints that I'm buggering-up the double glazing
My customers are bright enough to realise their windows are past the guaranteed lifetime, and even know why they turn misty. If they don't, it's a simple chat about why and how they mist up.
I don't have complaints that my trailing hose has knocked over and smashed the garden gnome
Self explanatory, need to look out where you are going, and I'm actually out looking for garden gnomes and knocking them over, horrible things! (just kidding) :D
Nobody complains in winter that the water I've left around the house has turned into sheet ice and aunt Ada slipped and broke her hip on it
Common sense and a pinch of salt works well. Usually I find that it doesn't get cold enough in the south for it to freeze up. Immediately round the house it's warmer anyway. If I park my van up right against the house, the windscreen doesn't freeze, due to the radiant heat of the house.
I don't worry about tds, or resin, or brushes, or rectus type 019, or pumps, or backpacks, or how long my pole is
I don't worry about that either. Get it done right the first time. Buy cheap buy twice. Ignorance is bliss, etc etc etc. :)
Wfp works in theory AND practice. But only on one condition, that is if the operator knows what he is doing.
@ ftp, matt and the others.
Did another test today, like I have been doing ever since I've been wfp.
Did a house inside and out, very badly beading windows. Did my usual technique.
Went inside, and low and behold, not a SINGLE spot on the window, I actually caught myself saying out loud how impressed I still am after seeing the results of a perfect wfp job. And that was with an absolute magnifiying glass, from every angle. Not a spot, I'm serious.
If you can't get windows up well, there is something wrong, with either the window frame, your tools, or method.
WFP does get windows up to a perfect finish, you just need to know what you are doing. I've seen this time and time again since I've started wfp. The only problems I now and then have is when I'm being a sleepyhead, and not paying attention to what I'm doing, and even then, it's very hard to get wfp wrong.
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Pity your not near me 'cos I would wager £100 on a house that I could see evidence of wfp technique. Not enough for a customer to complain but enough to annoy me if I cleaned it.
I would also wager that nobody can do a first clean in one pass (frames included) without leaving serious trail runs on the glass.
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Had one of my regular cleans today. This house always beads like mad but looks brilliant from the drive. Finished the clean then he asks to have his conservatory roof cleaned. This gave all the windows time to dry in the baking sun. So when i'd finished it gave me time to check all the windows. I couldn't find one perfect one. Talk about gutted! TDS 000 best brushes and plenty of experience now. This system is crap.
I've said it loads of times before but let's be honest, when you have a really close look it's not brilliant is it?
Maybe I was a printer too long (studying fine detail).
Like I've said before dave, too much bull**it on here regarding wfp. It's a tool which will, in the RIGHT circumstances achieve an acceptable standard & even sometimes near perfect. On other occasions the glass can be left worse than when you started!! Think logically, how likely is it that after cleaning a whole frame & window full of crevises, seals, corners etc & will at some point meet mortar/brick/stone etc. with a wf brush that even after a good scrub & rinse that the whole unit is not contaminated by at least 001 parts-per-million? ( & probably a lot more ) not very likely really is it?
Regarding the perfectors, GQC tim is a relative wfp puppy & as you will now know it takes experience not just to do a good job but to be able to see inperfection. I'll tell you straight, a wfp cleaned window can look amazing, perfect from more than one angle & this is probably what most will see & deem as perfect. Only knowlage & xperience will give you the angle you need to look from.
BUT, there will always be people who only see what they want to see! See? ;)
I know for a fact that many wfp'ers are not doing as good a job as they think. Not having complaints doesn't mean perfect results by any means either.
WFP acheives an acceptable standard which will differ from window to window & different weather conditions. Full stop. ;D
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@ ftp, matt and the others.
Did another test today, like I have been doing ever since I've been wfp.
Did a house inside and out, very badly beading windows. Did my usual technique.
Went inside, and low and behold, not a SINGLE spot on the window, I actually caught myself saying out loud how impressed I still am after seeing the results of a perfect wfp job. And that was with an absolute magnifiying glass, from every angle. Not a spot, I'm serious.
If you can't get windows up well, there is something wrong, with either the window frame, your tools, or method.
WFP does get windows up to a perfect finish, you just need to know what you are doing. I've seen this time and time again since I've started wfp. The only problems I now and then have is when I'm being a sleepyhead, and not paying attention to what I'm doing, and even then, it's very hard to get wfp wrong.
so you clean your windows and they look great, what about all the other houses you clean, i have a house that i do both in and outsides every 6 - 8 weeks, they come up fine, not a problem, i also do a fair few others in and outside and some of them allways have the odd spot
so after all these years of me using WFP i still dont know what i am doing ::) ::) not likely is it , its a fact that not every window will look great with WFP, the customer accepts it, thats why most get no complaints, but lets not kid ourselves that its either : a. a magic pole , b. your so good that you never get the odd spot
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Spot on Tony. It's acceptable but rarely perfect. Leaded windows are one of the worst although dead easy to do they are a nightmare for minor spots and runs. Like I said a close inspection can be quite dissapointing but from a distance - brilliant.
Just wish I could sterilise my windows like everyone else ;D
I also clean the frames which won't help things either, but that's the way i work. My company is called Frames To Panes, so it's a bit late to start missing them out. ;D
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Lets face it...WFP & Trad give acceptable results in the main...but few will be able to say and really be able to back it up ...they are perfect....
As has been said...far too much 'biggin it up' on here...we are just window cleaners and we just clean windows..ok we can make a good living but it is just cleaning windows.
WFP>>>>Good results = yep in the main...perfection...very rarely I would say.
Cheers
Dave.
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Lets face it...WFP & Trad give acceptable results in the main...but few will be able to say and really be able to back it up ...they are perfect....
As has been said...far too much 'biggin it up' on here...we are just window cleaners and we just clean windows..ok we can make a good living but it is just cleaning windows.
WFP>>>>Good results = yep in the main...perfection...very rarely I would say.
Cheers
Dave.
dont put yourself down
you are just as important as a brain surgeon or a paramedic
you clean windows, its that important
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Too much bloody rocket science with this job - that's the trouble.
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Too much bloody rocket science with this job - that's the trouble.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
And to add to my previous rant, this is the reason I don't clean top frames! ;)
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Alan Sugar sold rubbish products cheap for most of his life. Didn't get him very far did it!
Don't strive for perfection - it's not good enough.
The perfect way to clean a window would be to remove it from the house. Take it to a totally dust free, sterile room, strip clean the frame and re-polish or paint. Then clean the glass with every product under the sun. Refit wearing anti-static white gloves.
Everything else has a trade-off. Simples
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a tip i allways find good
its nothing to do with window cleaning though
dont eat yellow snow
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Ive come to accept its good enough. there may be mark here and there, but then trad there may be mark here and there, where youve wiped with a wet scrim, where youve flicked the blade around...i really beleive you get more complaints about WFP because they are making the effort to look for those mistakes. Most would just accept the odd mark with trad.
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Look just what i do and work from home :o
A.Go to customers house :P
B. Remove window with a screwdriver (the clip on double glazed side bits) :-X
C. Clean glass in your garage. :-\
D.Go back and replace window in frame.:D
Its great even if its raining... 8) ;) :D ;D
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Here is a tip from an old hand..... Get yourselves a largish mirror with a frame. Place the said largish mirror with a frame outside for say one week till it soils a bit. Next wfp the mirror and leave till the h2o evaporates, check the said mirror for spots!!!!! they will be easy to see. Perfectionists should ideally take a large whiskey before the check is done.
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Surely you'll see a spotty window cleaner looking back at you?
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Only if you dont drink enough whisky. ;)
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I think many people on here are taking my posts a bit out of context.
Like I said, if a window frame is in good condition, then you can indeed get a window up perfect, if you do it right. And yes I do have the experience and skill to see imperfections, from any angle. Find it a bit hard to understand how people can make assumptions about me, or my work if they do not even know me. In fact, I can do a better job then I did traditional on most windows.
Can it clean every single window 100% perfect? I would say no, but like said, if the window is just a good and proper one, they do come up perfect in my book. If not, there is most definitely something wrong on the operator side, sorry guys that's how I see it. There's only a very small number of windows/houses on my round that wfp can't get acceptable standards (like 1%), but again, those are the ones with the bad oxidized frames, or very old leaded lights.
macmac, they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks, so I would rather be a wfp puppy and get the job done to a high standard. Maybe you want to come along for a day, and see if you can learn anything ya old chum! :D
Here is a tip from an old hand..... Get yourselves a largish mirror with a frame. Place the said largish mirror with a frame outside for say one week till it soils a bit. Next wfp the mirror and leave till the h2o evaporates, check the said mirror for spots!!!!! they will be easy to see. Perfectionists should ideally take a large whiskey before the check is done.
They do just that in laboratories etc, they use pure water for cleaning purposes, where the need to clean is the utter highest standard. Regarding wfp, if your brush is clean, there shouldn't be a reason why it's going to come up spotty. You show me the mirror, I will clean it! :)
I would also wager that nobody can do a first clean in one pass (frames included) without leaving serious trail runs on the glass.
You can't do a proper first clean then? Hmmm. ???
You can experience some problems with leaded windows on first cleans, especially if the lead's oxidised, but that's about it really.
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macmac, they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks, so I would rather be a wfp puppy and get the job done to a high standard. Maybe you want to come along for a day, and see if you can learn anything ya old chum!
;D ;D I'll give ya that one, when can I come? ;)
Or, you come with me & I'll teach you how to clean 100 year old, paper thin, often bowed glass with frames & astragals that havn't seen paint for 50 years! ;) Or farm houses where you can't even see the paint for dirt, straw, cow poo etc! :o
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macmac, they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks, so I would rather be a wfp puppy and get the job done to a high standard. Maybe you want to come along for a day, and see if you can learn anything ya old chum!
;D ;D I'll give ya that one, when can I come? ;)
Or, you come with me & I'll teach you how to clean 100 year old, paper thin, often bowed glass with frames & astragals that havn't seen paint for 50 years! ;) Or farm houses where you can't even see the paint for dirt, straw, cow poo etc! :o
Would love to come! I'm sure I can learn a lot from you. ;D
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macmac, they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks, so I would rather be a wfp puppy and get the job done to a high standard. Maybe you want to come along for a day, and see if you can learn anything ya old chum!
;D ;D I'll give ya that one, when can I come? ;)
Or, you come with me & I'll teach you how to clean 100 year old, paper thin, often bowed glass with frames & astragals that havn't seen paint for 50 years! ;) Or farm houses where you can't even see the paint for dirt, straw, cow poo etc! :o
Would love to come! I'm sure I can learn a lot from you. ;D
Don't think we'd get much done, rather spend the day arguing over imperfections! :D
IT'S A SPOT!
NO IT'S NOT!
YES IT IS!
WHAT DO YU KNOW YOU'RE JUST A PUP!
YOUR AN OLD FART!
NO AM NOT!
YES YOU ARE!
PPHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTT...............................................................
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Haha, yea your probably right. Oh well, I learn every day, and sometimes I still mess up, just laugh to myself and learn. If you keep doing the same mistake over and over again, and not learn, your not getting anywhere. I always try to fine tune things, so any help is welcome.
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i have vikan red rectangular any tips on using these brushes? i rinse with the brush off the glass
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i have vikan red rectangular any tips on using these brushes? i rinse with the brush off the glass
Yes, get shut & purchase a gardiner super-lite if you want an easy life ;)
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i'm wfp and my I get the windows perfect (95% of the time). no bull. I know by now which windows will cause a problem and alter my technique so it doesn't.... eg. aluminum sliding patio doors, scrim the top 4 inches then wfp the rest.
if you care enough to notice all the little potential problems you can think of how to get around them.
with a good flow and care you can do a cracking job quickly.
anyone is welcome to come check out any of my houses if they need to restore their faith in wfp :D