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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: airways on May 14, 2009, 10:25:15 pm
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Hi all,
I am putting a few vans on the road and I was going to get Pure Freedom to fit the WFP systems for me as they seem to be the best value available at the moment. But before I do this I want to find out how much the cheapest HOT factory fitted WFP system is. If the price difference isnt to much I would consider fitting the hot system.
Thanks in advance
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You will be looking at anything from £1500-£4000 to have the water heater fitted.
The cheapest water heater I could find was £2,200 but I have been told you can get the heaters for as little as £1500.
Matt
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Cheepest "factory" fitted I have found is Varitech at £2200 + vat and remember that price is JUST for the heater you have the cost of the wfp system on top but the heaters can be retro-fitted to any system.
Regards
Mr H
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the cheapest most professional way i found is the pure freedom with a varitech box on. that would bring it in at around 4k + vat
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I had a 800 litre 2 man hot system installed by waterfed pole systems in Grantham.
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Do Varitech have a website were you can look at their products? I am thinking of going for the pure freedom with the varitech box has anyone got this system fitted?
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varitech are over the top with there prices.
newclean
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Who would recommend?
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I had a 800 litre 2 man hot system installed by waterfed pole systems in Grantham.
how much did it cost if you dont mind me asking
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I have a hot water system, but it was all built in.
Cheepest "factory" fitted I have found is Varitech at £2200 + vat and remember that price is JUST for the heater you have the cost of the wfp system on top but the heaters can be retro-fitted to any system.
Regards
Mr H
Well thats not true is it, because ionics "hotbox" is only £2100 and they'll fit it for you. If I was buying hot water again, I know what I'd do, however its nice to have it all built in.
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The cheaper Ionic heater is not the 1 i`d go for it dosen`t heat the water as hot as the 1 with winter summer option,the 1 to go for is about 4k i think on there website.
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Hi Airways
If you are thinking of going to hot water have it instaled after as a add on, personaly I havent ever consided haveing hot water, did a bit of research and found that in cold weather hot water freezes quicker than cold water because its the steam that freezes as it is a vapour, in my opinion cold water does the job as good as hot water.
Pure Freedom are probily the best value for you money
well built and tidy and not a bulky system and easy and cheap to maintain
so if you were thinking getting your systems off them still do then get the hot add on but as in my opinion do you rearly need it
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Hi Airways
If you are thinking of going to hot water have it instaled after as a add on, personaly I havent ever consided haveing hot water, did a bit of research and found that in cold weather hot water freezes quicker than cold water because its the steam that freezes as it is a vapour, in my opinion cold water does the job as good as hot water.
Pure Freedom are probily the best value for you money
well built and tidy and not a bulky system and easy and cheap to maintain
so if you were thinking getting your systems off them still do then get the hot add on but as in my opinion do you rearly need it
I use hot water and your wrong in what your saying i`m afraid.
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I use hot water and your wrong in what your saying i`m afraid.
I second that. No offense ladders-no-more but how can you comment if you've never used it?
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Hi Airways
If you are thinking of going to hot water have it instaled after as a add on, personaly I havent ever consided haveing hot water, did a bit of research and found that in cold weather hot water freezes quicker than cold water because its the steam that freezes as it is a vapour, in my opinion cold water does the job as good as hot water.
Pure Freedom are probily the best value for you money
well built and tidy and not a bulky system and easy and cheap to maintain
so if you were thinking getting your systems off them still do then get the hot add on but as in my opinion do you rearly need it
I use hot water and your wrong in what your saying i`m afraid.
only going on what the scientists say,
no I havent used it and because I have had no complants from customers, why spend a couple of thousends of pounds on some thing that make no differance to what I do ( quote ) in my opinion cold water does the job as good as hot water. which ( quote ) no complants from customers , Yes I keep hearing about hot water cleans better than cold but why,
If I have been mending my motor cycle and get oil on my hands cold water wont clean them ,
if I use hot water it wont clean them,
if i use washing up liquid with hot water nice and clean
why is this.
Glass gets dust, grit, oily car smoke , greasy bird muck, if we all use PURE WATER to clean windows hot or cold why is there a differance,
the only way in my oppinion if ther is a detergent added to the hot water which disperses the grease off the glass
This is only my oppinion and dont want to causes an argument if some one wants hot they can its up to them at the moment I feel that cold water is working fine for me
please feel free to educate me how hot water is better than cold with out useing some form of detergent
so I may understand better if I am convinced I might have a add on to my PUREFREEDOM system
Many thanks
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Hot water will out perform cold any day of the week,it is a lot quicker on all types of cleaning frequency ie monthly bi monthly etc.It will allow you to work on the coldest of days as if it were a summers day so no down time,well worth the money buy 1 and then you can tell me i`m right.
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I really can't see the benefit of hot in normal weather. I've had the Ionics demo = wasn't impressed.
oh and ladders no more is correct that hot water freezes quicker - its called the mpemba effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mpemba_effect
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We've all used cold water, some for years. The people who have spent a load of money on hot water systems swear by it. The people who make them say they are the best thing ever, but they still sell the cold water systems.
Question. If hot is better, buy how much? and once the windows are 'conditioned' using pure water they are dead easy to clean using cold water. Are they just best on first and builders cleans?
I have two cold water systems.
Mart.
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Hot water is like twitter. And text messaging. When I got my first mobile, I went on and on to mates how great it was with text messages, and they were like "whats the point of that? You can just call them" Now all these years later who would get a phone without text messaging?
People don't really see the point of it until they try it, and then they wonder how they did without it.
(However I grant you that texting doesnt cost a couple of grand! ha ha)
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yeah I understand where you are coming from but in all honesty - I can't go any quicker with the brush than what I do now, its all one pass and plenty of flow.
how is hot going to make that quicker?
I'm not doubting you, I just cannot see how I can be quicker.
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im the same i cant see how on residential it can be any faster. i go up and down once on every window then rinse. id do the same hot or cold and would get same result. first cleans or grubby comercial id imagine would be much better hot but i have never tried so i cant realy comment. just defo cant see how id clean my residential customers any quicker.
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been cleaning with wfp cold over 10 years now, just tried hot last two weeks no comparison to cold wfp.
birds poo comes off so easy, less rinsing, less water needed, and yes why who knows, quicker by about 30 % also less energy needed to clean, which is important to me
dislikes ONE hose to soft catches on wall easier, but winding in is pleasant, just need to use brain bit more when laying out the hose .
is it worth it, can you justify it .- its an individual choice, will i be up grading all my vans- YES.
should done it years ago, which system will i go for VARITECH, seems to be best available and adaptable product on market in my opinion
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Hi, Is there a website where I can look at the varitech system? I am very interested in it but it doesnt seem to be in their online catelogue
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This 1 is the 1 your on about.
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HEATED DEBAIT ON HOT V COLD TOPIC
FORGIVE THE PUN LOL ;D ;D ;D
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try an experiment at home to decide for yourself.
Clean a dirty glass in nothing but cold clean water - then clean another dirty glass in hot clean water.
there are reasons to why it cleans better, but since many do not like explanations i wont bore you. Just put it down to chemistry and physics!
it wont make much difference to a regular clean, since the window is fairly clean already, however drying time will be quicker using hot.
Then it just comes down to user preference, as some have already mentioned.
Its more beneficial to first cleans or longer period cleans.
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Would I spend £3000 on a hot add on? no way! because it won't ever earn me my money back - it's just a luxury in my opinion. For that kind of money you could invest in a guttervac system or a pressure washing system or carbon poles or an indoor cleaning system - all things that will earn money.
That's my opinion. :)
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Cladding- barge boards- con roofs and much much more it cleans twice as quick,it makes me LMAO when i see people posting about how much of a waste of money hot is when they don`t even have it,i don`t see many people on here with hot water slagging it off lol. ;D
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Cladding- barge boards- con roofs and much much more it cleans twice as quick,it makes me LMAO when i see people posting about how much of a waste of money hot is when they don`t even have it,i don`t see many people on here with hot water slagging it off lol. ;D
forgive me if I am wrong but when you was cold only you said you spent min time on the glass as it was, do you now just look at it, I cant see how you can be twice as quick, new cleans maybe a bit quicker, I tested this myself last week with a hot system, did seem to melt away dirty a bit quicker i have to admit, but not twice as quick.
I don't slate hot water as I do think it would be good on some things, there are also downsides which you will find out.
will I get one who knows I could have it fitted next week if i wanted it, just not sold on the benift at the moment more so letting staff out in the winter with it.