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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: ianharper on April 17, 2005, 09:31:32 pm
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Hi Guys
Just so you all know this product is bigger than you might think. Why well first its one of a kind, no other product can match this. You might say that the well know product that is sold in supermarkets does the same. You will find in the not to distance that the claims that are made by this well known product will change.
Why?
Because now that Allergstop is in the market place it does what it claims and can prove it.
The market place for Allergstop goes far far beyond just carpet cleaning? companies have tried to stop this product coming to the market place. because they know that will cost them lost busiess. For legal reason this cant be gone into any deeper. just to say that people are going to a lot of trouble to try and stop it coming to the market place.
So, lets not be small minded about it. lets be thankful that we will be the first to be able to use it and bring it to our client first.
I would like to thank Nick for seeing the importance of this product and getting it for us. it could have ended up with some large company and when i say company i dont just mean a carpet cleaning company, (as I said this is BIG) This is a gold rush.
For example I will be setting up a company just to sell on Allergstop. Thanks to goron of carpet knight, point it out.
Looking at it from just a carpet clean view, it will take carpet cleaning to the next leval, it adds value to our service. I shall be using it as my base cleaning product, giving my clients the benifits for free. Just replaceing my detergent with this product.
so when I go in and do an audit my service offers up againist others will have more value to my clients because they will have to choose between normal detergents that other carpet cleaners in my area offer and Allergstop with all the benifits that go with this product. with people wanting more for their money and becoming more educated on what is healthy and what is not.
I just think that you all need to know that this is somthing special. I dont need to defend it as with time you will all see.
As far as costs go, if you use this product on one job per day you will meet the the target required each year.
Thanks to everone for their help and advise on the course. nice to meet you all. best of luck to everyone.
Ian Harper
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Ian,
Thats just what i was about to say ;D
DITTO
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if this product is so good why don't the supplier have enough confindence in it to pay for the 'national advertising' instead of asking the users to pay?
I don't know any other distributer or manufacture who tell the buyer of the product to pay for the advertising. surely it it would be better to creat an interest ( and test the market) before getting everyone to start forking out money
Ok you're all excited about this new product but it is'nt manna from heaven and yes some allergy sufferers will be interested but how many of our customer have allergys ( 1in 5),
As a comparison, if you are looking for an additional income why not sell protector every one of your customers have a need for this and it does'nt take a big investment to start selling it, all the extra effort you'll put in to sell allerg-stop would reap more reward if used to sell a staingaurd.
This is just my opinion, to balance out all the free advertising Nick gets, perhaps he should start his own forum :)
Mike
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I assume that is the nature of 'The Network'.
Knowing the investment made already, I am satisfied that the cost of national advertising is something beyond the pocket of even , Mr VW.
To advertise this product on a national scale,with up to 70 members, would be a waste of cash at this time. Better to target brand awareness towards the existing member areas, so that demand can be met. Enquiries not followed up would mean that confidence and interest in the product would be lost.
Maybe instant recognition overnight would be brilliant but even a resident in the world of Halliday would not be that naive, hopefully.
Once word starts to emerge from non sceptics who have benefitted from this product, then word of mouth alone will become national advertising.
I have emailed my local paper over the weekend and as soon as my presentation picture comes through, I intend to ensure that all my local free papers include a story on the 'first group of Network members' , especially the handsome folically challenged local one ;D
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Hi Guys,
An interesting thread.
Presumably this product comes via Solutions Germany and if so has it been trialed there?
How has the German market taken to it , or is the U.K the first?
Ian,
I don't do much shopping ;), which supermarket product is it you are referring to?
Cheers,
Doug
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Hi Mick
1. The network is being asked to contribute towards the advertising campiagn not fund it.
2. The Individual network members will benefit considerably more than selling stainguard or any other treatment.
3. What are the "Health Benefits" of selling stain protection??
4. The investment undertaken so far by Solution is over a half a million pounds with the total investment over the coming year exceeding £2.5 million
5. The advertising we are undertaking does not only promote AllergSTOP but each individual Network Authorised Member, therefore the contribution to this is negligable, many people still spend thousands of pounds a year on Yellow pages advertising that does not produce enough to cover its cost.
6. Doug IT IS A BRAND NEW PRODUCT both here and in Germany we are launching in the UK and Europe at the same time.
Each company or person in the network has a unique opportunity in offering the AllergStop products.
Another forum!
Best regards Nick
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Hi Ian and Chris
Well said lads ;)
Have you sold any yet? as I wont to win John's tie ;D ;D
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I have a block in my yellow pages advert aimed at asthma suffers, I am the only one in the whole y/p section that mention asthma suffers, so you would think that everyone with asthma, or kids with this problem would be ringing my phone off the hook, wrong. So l changed this part of my ad, and aimed it at pet stains.
Just cos you have a product that is the bees knees is no guarantee people will buy it.
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Karl, The difference is that the product is proven effective and safe rather than someones advice or opinion.
No matter how much space you allow in your ad for asthma sufferers, unless you can offer a 100% effective solution to the problem, then people will go elsewhere. The people that ignored or overlooked your advert are the ones still looking for AllergSTOP
ps........... this is not the bees knees ( bee allergies ;D) it is the mutts nuts :o
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Time will tell, but I bet in a few years time someone has another similar product, which again won't sell.
I am not knocking this, it is good for cc's, but the general public don't trust tradesmen and new products. Unless it comes with stupid tv advert, and will ruin your carpet, and the public will buy it by the bucket load, escpially if the supermarket gives a discount.
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karls answer is the most important on this page, whether he had an 100% answer to allergy problems or not, he had the only advert in the Y/P for Asthma and got no work from it.
all this talk about Allergstop reminds me of when i went to an Amway presentation. tons of enthusiasm and talk of big things happening, all to fizzle out over the months
I really do hope that Allergstop does take the world by storm, but why have'nt I seen anything in the papers or on TV about this amazing discovery thats the answer to 5 million peoples problem. I'd be happy with it being awarded the British Asthms foundation certificate ( the one that looks like a cannabis leaf ;) ) even Promite has that, or perhaps an endorsement by a national allergy charity.
The first thing I would do if I was selling this is get an independant, known organisation to give it a seal of approval, then it would have some credibility
Mike
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Mike, Thats unlike you to be negative ::)
Time will tell ;)
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HI Mike
Promite does not have British Allergy Foundation Approval.
AllergSTOP is currently undergoing approval
You have not seen it advertised becuase it has anly just been launched, rest assured you will.
The risk of a similar chemical coming onto the market is not high due to the fact that the system and raw specialist components are patented as are the extraction process' from the fruit hence the investment
Best regards Nick
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Was the same not said about microsplitters they would not be used people will stick with traditional products :P How wrong people were then and who knows them same people will be wrong again ::)
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Its quite right and proper that people should question any new product that makes amazing claims about performance as Karl has found out the British public are very sceptical about anything that isn't pushed down their throats from the comfort of their own armchair.
For example Cellit Bang ( I think thats how they say it) crap advert, I honestly thought it was a spoof ad the first time I saw it, but go round peoples homes now and its every where and it a rubbish product as well but they bought it because the box in the corner told 'em to.
Obviously Nick can not do national TV advertisements, it is to be hoped that once the product is out there and being used word will spread rapidly.Along with good marketing in a couple of national magazines, local paper editorials, maybe even regional tv if contacted might be interested as health is always a major issue.
Of course if the product doesn't do what is says on the bottle (see advertising works) then it will sink with out trace, the allergy sufferers out there will soon let us know.
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Hi Guys,
Remember 'Febreeze' , that wonder product which had a massive advertising campaign and failed to make a lasting impression because it didn't really do much.
Many products come and go but to really make their mark products must be good and the consumer must like them.
(Look at all the chocolate bars and alcoholic drinks which have been and gone.)
It is quite reassuring that only quality stands the test of time, so if Allergstop works it will be here to stay and if it doesn't or gets caught up in H&S issues then it won't.
Interesting to see and you have to wish Nick luck for having a go.
I hope we can remain objective on this board and not get into a 'them and us' situation depending on whether we are selling or not.
Cheers,
Doug
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Doug,
Watch this space regarding Febreze. Having to change the wording of adverts because it simply does not do what it implies, when compared to AllergSTOP.
I am naturally tight and cautious, the wife is even worse, yet I am going into this with an open mind and with the wifes backing.
She says that if I am the head of the family then she is the neck and can point me anywhere she pleases :o
I also despair of this becoming an 'us & them' but there are a number of people who have a downer on Solutions and remind us at every turn. There are an increasing number in support so let us hope that the 'downers' can get over the feeling and support someone who has had the vision to make a move forwards.
Somone mentioned the fact that no one will take the word of a CC as a tradesman. Maybe when AllergSTOP becomes the new "shake & vac or "Febreze" type household name, people will regard CCs as experts in allergy control in the home/workplace. Doctors are already respected as the people who deal with allergy treatment
in the body.
Who knows, maybe we could start advertising as "The 5th emergency service" ;D
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Hi guys
sorry guys, How about trying the product yourself before you knock it. Then you might have a view. I am sure if you do you will be amazed by its benifits.
Have you ever hd a runny nose for no reason. with all the homes we go into there must have been times when you have come out sneezing, wheezing, coughing watery eyes. this is your body reaction to an over sensitation to these proteins.
Look this all science, we are cleaners. if the claims made by this prodct are false the report it. they are not and it works, so lets make some money from it. thats what we should be talking about how we can bring this product to market.
If an company wanted to keep this from the market place why did they offer so much money? why did they not fight its claims in court? because they must have tested it and found out it works
The person that invented this product could have gone to a big company that had money to promote it big time, but he was smart. he would have had to release some control over it. Just like when you football club sells your best players. I know I am a west ham fan
This person motavation was to bring it to the public the best way he could without lossing control to the big boys. how many inventions have been keept from us from large companies because they know that it would but them out of business? how many projects have been funded by big companies so they have control over the research?
I think thats its nice to know that not everyone sells out.
bye the way the marketing of this product will prove that hard floors are not healthy. thats got to benifit you.
Why do people wait so long to clean their carpets in this contry? because they wait intil they look dirty. marketing carpet cleaning with the use of health will increase all out trunovers. but we have to get the message out. if the prospect see us all promoting carpet cleaning on health grounds then they will relise
dirt = unhealthy. hard floor or carpet
We where in the business of dirt removal
now we are in the business of healther homes.
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allergstop sounds like a great product. the name is terrible. i would have no problem using and selling this product NOW, but as it can only be used by authorised people its brand marketing will be very limited. i dont know how much is needed to buy into the network and how much to upkeep your investment. it all smacks of FRANCHISING!!!? if it becomes a household name(like scotchguard) it will be copied by all and sundry anyway. ps scotchgaurd had the 3m machine behind it.
still all very interesting (if it works)
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jcbdfa,
Contact our Cornish friend, Mr VW ;D
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Hi Jcbdfa
its to stop false claims being made. all adverting od the prodct has to be checked first
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If it becomes a household name like scotchgard then Nick will be delighted as will all the authorised users.
Today we all still asked to 'scotchgard' carpets despite the fact that we no longer use it. The customer regards all stain proofing now as 'scotchgard'.
Don't forget Scotchgard had an approved user network called scotchcare services which did very well thank you very much.
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JCBDFA
it cannot be copied that is why we have world patent and license in place,
Best regards Nick
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Hi All
I carryied out my first job today using AllergSTOP a large bedroom and small bathroom
I started to clean the carpet (wool) just how Nick had shown us, whilst waiting the ten mins for the AllerSTOP to do its job I gave Mrs O'Sullivan a small talk on what she could do to help inprove her indoor air quality, I then told her about the AllergSTOP range and left her the info to read.
After the job was complete I charged her £82.25 for the clean (just labour) plus £50.97 for the AllergSTOP carpet cleaning solution used on job plus £57.07 for 1 Surface Cleaner, 1 room sray and 1 mattress spray
Total £190.29
Mrs O'Sullivan then booked me in to do the rest of her home over the next few weeks and has agreed to give me lots of feed back etc and agreed to let me talk to others about her carpet clean.
Both myself and Mrs O'Sullivan happy ;D ;D
Regards Gavin
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OK OK you can have the tie ;D
Hope you got her signature on a testimonial form ::)
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The tie is going to be mine ;D ;D could you take it to the dry cleaners please John Cheers old chap 8)
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Just a tag on to the fact that any product aproved by foundations, is approved following testing, and meeting certain criteria. If the criteria is met, it is then aproved by the foundation on payment of a fee. If this fee is not is not continued at the anniverary, it is no longer approved. Any product once approved as meeting the standard, so long as the formulation is not altered, is still the same as when it was approved. The fact being that products of the original formulation, are no longer approved because the fee was not maintained, does not mean they no longer reach the same standard.
Dave.
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That solves that one then :o ??? :o
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Come Mr Straker I have just placed order for more All-G 8)
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Well done Nick for having the 'bottle' to sink so much money into your new venture. I hope you make a fortune from it. Its being knocked already..... it must be good.
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ALI G ::)
IS IT COZ YOU IS A WELSH MAN ???
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Could'nt resist offering the following.
Solutions a obviously doing an excellent job of marketing themselves and the products they supply.
I was part of a very enthusiastic group of c/c's about 4-5 years ago who purchased a particular machine and Microsplitters to use with the machine.
What I can confirm, is that the m/s worked very well when used as a prespray, followed by agitation by way of another excellent product and spray/extracted with machines which I still believe to be the equal, of a truckmount.
I'm referring to the brilliant CFR's / One Step / Klanz products and I don't care about the stupid comments sometimes related to CFR's, eg, taking dirty water from on job to another etc.
You'd have to pretty thick, not to realise that you monitor your filters and water returning to the machine and empty at appropriate times.
Using this system I have obtained results at least equal to T/M 's
I can't speak for the Saunders Bros, but I belieive the only reason they never registered with the Allergy Foundation was the cost of, not only the approval process, but the ongoing annual cost te remain on the register
This morning I cleaned a domestic carpet 80/20 using microsplitter and bonnet mopping system, BUT I had to take in an extraction machine in order to get an acceptable result.
Used a fairly moderate 100psi / twin vac and .........a carpet cleaning powder which I've used over the years on lower value work, as it only costs about £20 for a 20k tub.
The stains / spots / flattened pile were all resolved.
I will use the bonnet system tonight when cleaning a High St store because it wil give a quick "maintenance clean" which will be dry in minutes and will take half the time it would take with an extraction system.
You should try out or attend demos on all systems then get the system tht's best for the market sector you're happiest with . Likewise products. I will use m/splitters when appropriate and will probably continue to use Promite unless something better entices me away and so on....
Enough waffling for now......
Robert M in my 22nd year c/c 's and still learning
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OK OK I heard you the first time ;D
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Robert,
Robert Saunders of Alltec did receive British Allergy Foundation approval for Promite, however decided not to renew for various reasons. The product, though not now BAF approved is still the same product as when it was approved, thats what I was getting at in my earlier post. Some people seem to think that because a product is no longer approved, it must have an altered formulation, but this is not always the case.
Dave.
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Hi Guys
10k for the first year and 3k for every year following for BAF approval
and subject to positive provable testing , which also takes time
Allerg STOP will be on show at the Allergy show held at London Olympia 17/18/19 of June
Best regards Nick
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What is this product supposed to do? Does it prevent Asthma or is it to do with allegic reaction, (like nut allergy)?
I'm thinking about the wisdom of the carpet cleaning industry taking on the responsibility for the health of their customers. These days even doctors and hospitals are getting cautious about treatments in case they get sued.
I'm not looking for a 3 page technical breakdown, just a brief outline of its specific appllication and its effectivness
Al
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Hi Alan
No not nut allergy,
Allerstop deals with Pollen, dust mite and its faeces, white mould spore and pet hair, it contains a substance called Auxillase which is derived from the papaya fruit , the the four carriers listed above carry a very high concetration of protein, a "super protein" if you will, most of us produce a natural enzyme which combats this.
It is not possible to remove all the protein and pollution from the air, but it is possible to change the way the human metabolism views the the protein,
if you imagine trying to each an apple whole, one bite one swallow you would choke (allergic reaction) if you ate the same apple but cut it the apple into eight you would be able to eat it with no problem, Allergstop is if you like the knife it breaks down the protein strain effectively changing its appearance, thus balancing the environment naturally, those who have had the opportunity to use it have commented on the immediately.
Hope this helps
Best regards Nick
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AllergStop eliminates air allergens such as mite excrement, pollen, animal hair/dander and white mould spores.
Basically it attacks and breaks down the proteins, making it go unnoticed by the body. It is THE only product on the market that can do this, without harming humans or animals.
Testing is carried out to identify the problems and again after the work to ensure removal. Personal use sprays are available for the client to maintain the level of effectiveness.
Hope that clears things up a bit but you should contact Mr VW or check out http://www.allergstop.info/ for more comprehensive info.
Good luck, I have spent the last week reading since I did training course. :o
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Think my explanation is easier to digest ;D I know because Nick made me try to eat a whole apple.
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Does ir cure asthma or allergies?
Absolutely not . The reason for my unusual tag - in this type of forum - is that I'm a complementary therapist at night and treat asthma sufferers.
I don't know what A/S actually does being merely a spectator at this time although interested in finding out, just as I'm always interested in finding out about any new product which might earn me more money.
I do know about Promite and use it and there is another product on which I attended an introductory meeting in Sheffield about 4-5 years ago which had incredible properties way beyond simply protecting.
Unfortunately, the licence was sold /changed hands and the new licencees were only interested in substsntial investment before supplying the product.
If any of you were involved with Franklins / One step you may have attended the same meeting, which was hijacked to a fair extent by Ray ? (Mr Neptune)
Sorry I cant remember the name of the product, but we were all given a pair of treated socks which we were promised would not end up smelly from microbial activity
r m
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Therapist no claims have been made that it cures asthma or the likes it eliminates from your home what causes the problems
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Check out this site set up by Ian Harper, one of the network members....................... really does what it says on the tin 8)
http://www.allerg-stop.info/
contains info on AllergSTOP :o
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Hi Guys
Just thought that I let you know that I am arranging to visit the allergSTOP production plant. Where they produce and send out orders from one bottle to 500,000 bottles.
Try and get some photos
Respect............................Ian Harper
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1St Allergy Free Pub, Its not just a proteinsplitter its a microsplitter :)
Respect Ian Harper
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Chris,
You are jumping the gun with the web link, which leads only to the company that registered the domain.
http://www.allergstop.com/ takes you to Gunters site - in German. Clicking the union flag simply leads to the message that the Engish site is under construction.
Loose one gold star and go to the back of the forum ;D
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hi the link is
http://www.allerg-stop.info/
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It's really great to find the enthusiasm which is current among many of you ,for the business of c/c.
The " healthy homes " concept is far from new, it was coined at least 6 years ago by one J Polish, who will be known to a number of you on this forum.
At the time it ,was just referring to quality vacuum cleaners, which have been superceded by water filtration vacs, just as soapy shampoos have been displaced by powders and m/splitters.
There has clearly evolved, over the past few days, a distinct them n us situation, which is just plain stupid.
If I were marketing a new product to the c/c market, I would be looking for a rapid and sustained growth, rather than attempt what many have done, not only in this industry, but elsewhere, ie limitting sales to a select team and hoping they will use enough product to meet my targets and fund my ambitions.
It won't happen!!!!!!!
And that is not being disrespectfull to anyone, just realism.
We are in a huge market, which can be split into many sectors, into which individuals will find niches, some working in a number of sectors, for security.
Don't start slagging off people just because they are happy in what they're doing, or products which have been doing a fine job and will continue to do so.
Jesus,,, some people still use carpet sweepers, others drive Morris Minors, so what.
In my case, I'll continue to try out new products, but will also continue to use inexpensive powder, because it meets my requirements for certain jobs
Yep .....waffling again, when you reaach 60 you've covered an awful lot of ground
good luck
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Hi Therapist
Sorry you don't give your name, firstly the reason for limitation is that the most important aspect to us is that the products is advertised, described, promoted and most of all used in the correct manner, this can only happen with the correct support and arm length management. As to how the chemical works and your original question as to whether it stops allergies, the pollutants in the air and furniture CANNOT be removed or sanitized, however the appearance of the pollutants or super protein can be changed in a way that the human bodies does not recognise them as enemy, this therefore stops the allergic reaction taking place, AllergSTOP® does not treat the symptoms but eliminates the cause of asthma and allergies.
Medical science cannot explain why the body mistakes harmless environmental substances for materials that cause illness specifically infection. And creates IgE anti-bodies in order to protect the body from “sickness” when it encounters these substances in the future.
Other allergens enter the body through ingestion (Food Allergies) Skin Contact (dermatitus) or injection (drug or bee sting allergies)
A person can become sensitized without expressing allergic illness.
Generally, continued over exposure to allergens and other environmental irritants causes the illness to manifest and the symptoms to occur, Allergic illness can multiply and cause more debilitating ones such as patients with allergic rhinitis developing Asthma or Sinusitis.
As your nocturnal activities probably give you access to more information than most I'm sure this will be of interest.
Thanks for the great questions I hope I have managed to answer them.
Best regards Nick