Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: montanaro on April 30, 2009, 06:49:14 pm
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Today i was phoned up and threatened down the phone by another window cleaner. Apparently i was stealing his work. Been canvassing for past 3 nights and as far as i was aware i was offering to clean that dint have a cleaner. Tried to explain this to him but he wouldnt have it he just kept telling me he was going to av me. Have any of you experienced this?????
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Phone the old bill ;D
Who does he think he is!! Does he own the street?
Carry on mate, free country!!
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yes!
log it with the police
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Log it with the police...but do not let it put you off....just carry on building your business for you and your family and do not let simpletons like this take up too much of your time...
Crack on and good luck.
Dave.
ps I had this 3 times when I first started...nothing came of it...just some gobby fools.
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didn't realise you were a member on here - sorry.
But please keep off my patch before it causes trouble.
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didn't realise you were a member on here - sorry.
But please keep off my patch before it causes trouble.
;D ;D ;D
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scud are u sure it was u who phoned me??
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scud are u sure it was u who phoned me??
;D ;D ;D
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woosh
straight over his head! ;D
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No one own's an area , tell him to shuv it where the sun dont shine
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Patch, Patch,....................Its a dogs name innit!
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No one own's an area , tell him to shuv it where the sun dont shine
i dont own it but im the only window cleaner in most of my areas,i clean that big a percentage its not worth any one else moving in ;D ;D
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Patch, Patch,....................Its a dogs name innit!
its what you wear over your eye if you get it poked out ;D ;D
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i get eyeballed .. always wave...
had a couple of calls, texts.... but explain that i am building a business as we are all entitled to,,,,
and say, my leaflets say... if you DONT have a window cleaner.
there aint a lot left to argue over.
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I can't defend this guys actions in threatening you but if your canvassing by simply door knocking how did he get your number?
Are you just leafletting, offering silly price undercutting cleans and just quoting your mobile number? If so I can see why he'd get the hump. But it don't excuse threatening behaviour.
If people threaten you just stand up to them and deal with it, whatever it takes.
Going to the Police is a bit strong, what are they gonna do, unless you actually get a good kicking?
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No one own's an area , tell him to shuv it where the sun dont shine
i dont own it but im the only window cleaner in most of my areas,i clean that big a percentage its not worth any one else moving in ;D ;D
For £4.00 per clean and having to live in Burnley, Stan your right its not worth anyone else moving in.
You rule baby.
;D ;D ;D
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After i asked if they had a cleaner and the reply was no some dint wanna comitt right away on doorstep so i left my number
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After i asked if they had a cleaner and the reply was no some dint wanna comitt right away on doorstep so i left my number
OK - did the guy who phoned leave tell you his name? Did he hide his own phone number? If so then 99% chance he's doing nothing but scaremainering. Ignore him. And log it with the old bill. Don't make excuses to him just ignore.
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This always happens to newbies, once they see your not going to give up they will back off.
Chris
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Hes probably got a family and is scared his income is going to fall due to the new comers and doesnt know what to do, so tried scaring you, doubt he will do anything, But then again who knows.
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I get this off my (step) old man. I work for him and work for myself.
every other week it's "are you cleaning so so, I used to clean there 7 years ago - that's my job."
"I'll ave you done over."
"that's MY PATCH"
Sad. I just get on with it.
Get's me down most day's though! :(
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why dont you all back off , my patch is the u.k.. i have 3 children to feed ....thats it your all gonna get it..... ::) :P :P :P :P
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It's unfortunate that some window cleaners clearly are territorial. I meet several different window cleaners on my round, and we all get on very well. One I meet has even offered work to me and another introduced me to microfiber cloths (giving me a new one to try out for myself).
If we are doing our job properly, and looking after our customers, they will be loyal and look after us. If we are not, we will lose our work to the next window cleaner to come along. For that we only have ourselves to blame.
Montanaro, keep with it my friend. You will pick up work, and if you prove to do a better job than your rival, you will get his work as well. He is likely trying to warn you off because he can't clean windows properly and is worried about losing his customers. If he threatens you again, it is a police matter I think.
John.
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This always happens to newbies, once they see your not going to give up they will back off.
Chris
looking forward to that part of it ;)
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I suppose you could always ask him to paint red crosses on his customers doors so you don't call there.
Worked for the "Passover" apparently if you believe that stuff :)
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Its very territorial near where i live - i know window cleaners that wont take on extra work in there streets but then dont let others do the houses that want doing !!?? Because its their patch what they paid for
Daft
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I agree with some of the replies already mentioned.
Don't worry about it. If the guy meant business; he'd see you face-to-face.
And definately report it to the police. This is important. The police told me after a similar incident that two-or-more incidents of this nature is an offence; harrassment.
So this is incident number 1; and if anything else happens then the guy could be charged.
Oh, and I couldn't fault the police with the way they dealt with me in this instance; they were very good; which hasn't always been my experience with them. I remember a time after I drank 10 pints of lager... but that's another story.
There's no such thing as patches either.
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No one own's an area , tell him to shuv it where the sun dont shine
i dont own it but im the only window cleaner in most of my areas,i clean that big a percentage its not worth any one else moving in ;D ;D
For £4.00 per clean and having to live in Burnley, Stan your right its not worth anyone else moving in.
You rule baby.
;D ;D ;D
i dont live in Burnley or clean windows there,just live 7 miles away over the hill in Bacup ;D ;D
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Bacup is even worse than Burnley , Stan ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Jodan Bolton rd closed other day,because of fire at Derby arms :o
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i can't wait for someone to threaten me ;D ;D
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WHO WANT's IT!
that is
a reliable window cleaning service on a 5 week basis ;D
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ask him if he wants to look like a pander then carry on
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tell his mum ;D
sorry just report as said.
there's some real muppets out there >:(
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its water of a ducks back, idol threats are a joke i real man would come face to face with you for a chat, a mouse phones you up (joker),
as for the police it would depend on your area if its worth it, around here you would probably get a community officer and if that's the case you might as well phone the frank, myself i wouldn't waste my time phone in the boys in blue as it was a phone call only.
next time he phone if he does just tell him, listen here sweetheart best thing you can do is hang up your phone an go back to sucking your thumb, then hang it up. then if he phones straight back don't waste your time by answer in it,
i spent many years and i mean years dealing with idol drunk threats and idiots with knifes etc, a real threat you wouldn't see coming or know it till it happened, so as i said treat it like water of a ducks back
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The ones who do this are thick, have you noticed, no sense of business, no scruples, no marbles... just der! my patch.
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I always thought there was an unwritten rule that you dont step on fellow window cleaners toes by trying to steal their customers and i thought it was a very honourable unwritten rule that worked!but i guess as more and more window cleaners disregard this unwritten rule then more and more window cleaners will see themselves losing their good paying customers to unscrupulous window cleaners who will clean the houses for a 3rd of the price thus driving down prices which is of no benefit to us window cleaners as a whole,i hear window cleaners say "my customers are loyal"well in times of recession if someone is willing to do a £15 house that takes someone 20 mins for £5 im pretty sure you will see loyalty flying out the window.Dont believe me? go to moneysavingexpert forum and look for topics on window cleaning and you will see what people are thinking.
Example:Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsE
My windows are £18 for outside & £45 for inside & out.
I have 9 windows, a set of french doors & a mainly glass front door.
£18?!
We have 8 windows (2 of which are double width), 2 sets of French doors and two doors with glass in and pay £4.50.
another link that questions the myth of loyalty http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=1533363&highlight=window+cleaner
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Ah - but they also "buy" you - your insurance, your lack of desire to "case their property" the feeling of reliability. I know it only goes so far but it goes a fair way to protecting your round if you have sensible prices.
I work a stretch of road with at least 4 cleaners for 40 houses of which about half get cleaned by a w/c.
On that stretch there is one who charges £20 another (me) £15 another £12.50 and finally one at £10. I believe I have the most custies and like to think I have a good price balance.
I know cuz I canvassed last month - but even the two £20 custies didn't want to change (I didn't press them either) so are happy with their cleaner. I picked up two new custies too.
I feel safer with an upper-middling price than an outrageous one.
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I always thought there was an unwritten rule that you dont step on fellow window cleaners toes by trying to steal their customers and i thought it was a very honourable unwritten rule that worked!
thats how it works around here and we have no problems,we only get new starters who buy work not people who come door knocking, only people who dont follow the patch system from what i can tell are those who dont dig into there pocket to buy work
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Screw the patch system, I don't owe other WCers a living
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Screw the patch system, I don't owe other WCers a living
we all get along fine and make a nice living you wouldnt fit in around here with that bad attitude ;D
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The concept of patches is laughable IMHO...what would give someone a right to a patch..because if you bought a round...thinking you have sole rights to those area's is too funny...and the one that is laughing hardest is the one that sold you the round...think about it...
Dave.
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ask him if he wants to look like a pander then carry on
I like that one! lol :)
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im about to buy a round for 4k and if anyone thinks they will just be able to turn up thinking the work i buy is fair game is either extremely brave or extremely stupid,my mates got a round in glasgow and this scouse jehovah witness who moved up to be near his gfs family thought the way some do on here and thought he could undercut people needless to say he was sent homewards to think again. ;D
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im about to buy a round for 4k and if anyone thinks they will just be able to turn up thinking the work i buy is fair game is either extremely brave or extremely stupid,my mates got a round in glasgow and this scouse jehovah witness who moved up to be near his gfs family thought the way some do on here and thought he could undercut people needless to say he was sent homewards to think again. ;D
But what are you going to do if he puts you in hospital? There is always someone bigger and better...
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I always thought there was an unwritten rule that you dont step on fellow window cleaners toes by trying to steal their customers and i thought it was a very honourable unwritten rule that worked!but i guess as more and more window cleaners disregard this unwritten rule then more and more window cleaners will see themselves losing their good paying customers to unscrupulous window cleaners who will clean the houses for a 3rd of the price thus driving down prices which is of no benefit to us window cleaners as a whole,i hear window cleaners say "my customers are loyal"well in times of recession if someone is willing to do a £15 house that takes someone 20 mins for £5 im pretty sure you will see loyalty flying out the window.Dont believe me? go to moneysavingexpert forum and look for topics on window cleaning and you will see what people are thinking.
Are you not assuming all guys canvassing an area are unscrupulous? I built a round from nothing to 320 customer in 18 months by being more expensive than all the other cleaners in the area.
Example:Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsE
My windows are £18 for outside & £45 for inside & out.
I have 9 windows, a set of french doors & a mainly glass front door.
£18?!
We have 8 windows (2 of which are double width), 2 sets of French doors and two doors with glass in and pay £4.50.
another link that questions the myth of loyalty http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=1533363&highlight=window+cleaner
I don't get this last one, are you saying the poster or the window cleaner was wrong?
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thought he could undercut people needless to say he was sent homewards to think again. ;D
Paul,
Were not talking about undercutting people here, were talking about people who think they own a street because they clean 40% of it!
I've had people cancel there current window cleaner for my company even though we were charging 3 times the amount - if people are that unhappy with there WCer Im taking them. The only person who has a right to decide who cleans a property is the person who pays £100's/£1000's per month in mortgage or rent payments.
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I hope I've understood this properly. If someone buys a round then another WC turns up canvassing, the guy who bought a round in that street is perfectly in his rights to beat him to a pulp?
What have I been doing wrong? I didn't realise some WC who buys a round has the sole rights to that area. ???
Shall we all put signs at the end of every street we work in to "warn" other WC's off? Why don't we all get tooled up and have "Patch fights"?
Those guys with vans could fit armour plate on the sides and grills over the windscreens. Then we could form gangs and wear colours to identify eachother.
Sounds great to work and think that way. Think I'll move back to UK.
I wonder if other trades have this problem, two gas fitters having a punchup in the street ;D
And some people want a fed and nvq's, and this trade is moving forward ???
Let's be real guys.
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david i was saying that noone should be going into established window cleaners streets and undercutting them as they are probably not paying their taxes and thats how they can afford to do so like someone charging £4.50 in comparison to someone charging £18.50 for roughly the same house.I put the links up from a forum to show that the general public dont really care if your insured,licensed,paying taxes etc all they care about is getting a good job done at the cheapest price.And up here you need a license in most areas and when applying for the license you have to state which streets you do so if i have 95% of a streets customers and ive paid good coin for the round and got my license,pay my taxes then im not going to sit around waiting on the council,police doing their job if someone else comes in trying to take my business away from me,for one they almost certainly wont have the streets they are canvassing on their license.
i was stopped one time by a couple of police officers who asked to see my badge,after id shown them it one of them asked how much i charge as he thought his window cleaner was ripping him off charging £7 for a 3 bedroom semi.oh and another good one i know of a few guys and they did the head of the fraud squad for the dss house(none of them paid their taxes)i was told he had asked them their companies name and nxt time they went round he said he couldnt find it registered only to be told off by his wife to stop bothering the laddies as they were only out to try and make a few bob,they charged £1.50 for a 3 bed semi.
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Shall we all put signs at the end of every street we work in to "warn" other WC's off? Why don't we all get tooled up and have "Patch fights"?
i could do with some exercise an stress relief.
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you guys have got me thinking,your totally right everywhere is fair game and so i wont be buying a round ill just spend 4k on leaflets and canvass every house in Edinburgh,ill not bother with the license,heck just to make sure i get the customers ill cut my overheads by not bothering with insurance and to hell with paying taxes,there thats me sorted im sure ill have a few thousand customers in no time.
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you guys have got me thinking,your totally right everywhere is fair game and so i wont be buying a round ill just spend 4k on leaflets and canvass every house in Edinburgh,ill not bother with the license,heck just to make sure i get the customers ill cut my overheads by not bothering with insurance and to hell with paying taxes,there thats me sorted im sure ill have a few thousand customers in no time.
id stick with buying the round. i have never canvassed why waste time ;D
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Hi Paul, I pay tax and even VAT on my prices, I'm insured and a registerd business. I don't cut any of those corners. I built up my rounds alongside other WC's. I'm by far the most expensive from all of us working in the areas I work. (Apart from 1 guy that charges about 20% more than me and loses his custies for other reasons, not turning up / charging twice after only 1 clean etc).
I think I would be pretty upset if a cowboy came into an area I was working, but it doesn't give me the right to knock him about. This business is always going to have cowboys.
If buying a round was the only way to get work, who builds the round in the first place?
I still don't get it mate, if you bought the round and it's a good one, why are you reacting like this? A stable round can't be "nicked" by anyone, or why would it be worth buying?
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hi cozy,i havent bought the round as yet,im just saying if i thought about the window cleaning business like some do on here then i wouldnt bother forking out for work if any tom,dick or harry could just nick it from me,my gf told me few weeks ago that her mother and her neighbours arent happy with their window cleaner and i could go do theirs but i dont think that way i guess im old fashioned.Every window cleaner i know and i know loads through the west coast and they all the think the same way,keeping to your own areas,not stepping on others toes basically do to others as youd have done to yourselves,karma has its way of biting you in the ass,its different if an old boy gives up the ghost or someone has an accident in which case we normally help the guy out with his work till he decides hes ready to come back,infact the only wcer i met with a different attitude is the jehovah guy.
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hi cozy,i havent bought the round as yet,im just saying if i thought about the window cleaning business like some do on here then i wouldnt bother forking out for work if any tom,dick or harry could just nick it from me,my gf told me few weeks ago that her mother and her neighbours arent happy with their window cleaner and i could go do theirs but i dont think that way i guess im old fashioned.Every window cleaner i know and i know loads through the west coast and they all the think the same way,keeping to your own areas,not stepping on others toes basically do to others as youd have done to yourselves,karma has its way of biting you in the ass,its different if an old boy gives up the ghost or someone has an accident in which case we normally help the guy out with his work till he decides hes ready to come back,infact the only wcer i met with a different attitude is the jehovah guy.
thats the way it is around here
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hi cozy,i havent bought the round as yet,im just saying if i thought about the window cleaning business like some do on here then i wouldnt bother forking out for work if any tom,dick or harry could just nick it from me,my gf told me few weeks ago that her mother and her neighbours arent happy with their window cleaner and i could go do theirs but i dont think that way i guess im old fashioned.Every window cleaner i know and i know loads through the west coast and they all the think the same way,keeping to your own areas,not stepping on others toes basically do to others as youd have done to yourselves,karma has its way of biting you in the ass,its different if an old boy gives up the ghost or someone has an accident in which case we normally help the guy out with his work till he decides hes ready to come back,infact the only wcer i met with a different attitude is the jehovah guy.
There is absolutly no such thing as patches, Ive got quite a few custys moving at the min and theyve asked me to carry on at there new property or does this now mean i have to tell them that the person that currently cleans that area has to do it weather you like it or not, and that the people moving into your old house will have to have me, so im not going to make sure that every clean is brilliant as they dont get a choice , its me or know one, When i canvass i only take work where they havent got a cleaner, if they say there not happy with there cleaner i suggest that they sort it with there cleaner and see if he can sort out the problems they have with him, if this is a know go I give them my card and they can ring me in the future, ive never asked anyone what they currently pay and most of the time im more expensive, Im a big beliver in karma and this has been proven to me.I would never knowingly take work off other cleaners, Ive handed quite a bit to others and some of them are on this forum, but if someone delibratly takes work off me id have no hesitation doing the same.
Chris
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Good point lads, if that's the only way to get a decent start then I can see your point. It's still a mystery to me though why there is an attitude of patches.
I remember as a kid in the 60's, WC's having a punchup over town center shop work but I didn't realize it was like that in UK now.
Not stepping on other guys toes is noble but how would a business develope?
Oh well, there but for the grace of god............
Looks like I'm living in a totaly different world over here. I'll get my coat shall i? :)
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Cozy I think youll find this only happens in very few areas,
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Not stepping on other guys toes is noble but how would a business develope?
you buy a round for starters and if you need more work you buy of a cleaner whos downsizing or finishing,only new cleaners round here are the ones who buy work ;D ;D
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It seems to me that it's all down to the customers' choice.
I have been told on many occasions by my customers when they have been approached by a window cleaner or somebody canvassing. I always smile at this, because it usually means that I will pick up more work. I cannot ever remember losing a customer because of somebody else looking for window cleaning work, even if the price is lower than mine. Hence my earlier comment that customers are usually very loyal. At least mine are anyway. I always reply to my customers that I hope they get enough work to make it work for them, as they need to make a living just as we all do, and there is enough work to go round, but that I appreciate their continued custom.
I still fail to understand why some window cleaners feel they have a right to their 'patch' as they call it. Even if the work has been bought, surely the person who has bought the work would look after their customers so well that they would make themselves indispensible to them, so anyone trying to acquire their customers would be unsuccessful, whether anyone was trying to undercut them or not.
John
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you guys have got me thinking,your totally right everywhere is fair game and so i wont be buying a round ill just spend 4k on leaflets and canvass every house in Edinburgh,ill not bother with the license,heck just to make sure i get the customers ill cut my overheads by not bothering with insurance and to hell with paying taxes,there thats me sorted im sure ill have a few thousand customers in no time.
id stick with buying the round. i have never canvassed why waste time ;D
Why waste money! ;D
because your earning a wage from day one instead of spending your savings to live ,unless your a dole cheat ;D ;D
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Stan, you spent your saving on buying the round!
Have you always been this good with money? ;D
yes i did but i will get them back when i sell up,like i said earning from day one ;D ;D
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my gf works so we figured id buy this work put £800 a month by and hey presto in 5 months time hopefully i can buy another 4k worth thats on top of what i get canvassing as i said on this thread im not one for canvassing areas where there already is window cleaners so ill just be concentrating on newbuilds which is a bit slow because of recession and those blasted banks not giving my future customers mortgages.
oh and the work wont be scattered either i dont like scattered work i prefer to go from window to window than ladders on and off van all day time is money so i reckon in 5 months time i will have £3600 of work a month all nice compact work,having not upset any fellow window cleaners doing so(apart from on here that is because of my boredom lol)
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Stan, you spent your saving on buying the round!
Have you always been this good with money? ;D
yes i did but i will get them back when i sell up,like i said earning from day one ;D ;D
Does that mean someone who marketed there round gets a bonus when they sell!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
if you expand the round and put prices up you will get more back than you paid unless your a crap cleaner and lose customers ;D ;D
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Expand, and put the prices up, that’s what you paid for! To do work! ;D ;D
If you buy a good round you won’t have to do either :P
so when you give a price thats it for the rest of your working life ;D
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i bought rounds where i was the sole cleaner ie my patch,they had been rundown over time,i then by reputation and reliabity filled in the gaps ;D ;D
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i bought rounds where i was the sole cleaner ie my patch,they had been rundown over time,i then by reputation and reliabity filled in the gaps ;D ;D
smart move stan monopolise i like it
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ive more work than when i started and ive sold rounds off getting a third of my outlay back ;D ;D
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david i was saying that noone should be going into established window cleaners streets and undercutting them as they are probably not paying their taxes and thats how they can afford to do so like someone charging £4.50 in comparison to someone charging £18.50 for roughly the same house.I put the links up from a forum to show that the general public dont really care if your insured,licensed,paying taxes etc all they care about is getting a good job done at the cheapest price.And up here you need a license in most areas and when applying for the license you have to state which streets you do so if i have 95% of a streets customers and ive paid good coin for the round and got my license,pay my taxes then im not going to sit around waiting on the council,police doing their job if someone else comes in trying to take my business away from me,for one they almost certainly wont have the streets they are canvassing on their license.
i was stopped one time by a couple of police officers who asked to see my badge,after id shown them it one of them asked how much i charge as he thought his window cleaner was ripping him off charging £7 for a 3 bedroom semi.oh and another good one i know of a few guys and they did the head of the fraud squad for the dss house(none of them paid their taxes)i was told he had asked them their companies name and nxt time they went round he said he couldnt find it registered only to be told off by his wife to stop bothering the laddies as they were only out to try and make a few bob,they charged £1.50 for a 3 bed semi.
I do agree about the undercutting. However, if you do a good job and charge a sensible price you should be ok. All my customers were leafletted recently with a 'i will do your house for £5.00' leaflet. I charge and average of £11.00 for those houses and I didn't loose a single one.
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ive more work than when i started and ive sold rounds off getting a third of my outlay back ;D ;D
Think you have that wrong Stanley, should be, same amount of work but more money. ;D
i have example bought £300 a month for £2000
now have £350 a month but sold work of and banked £660
so i now own £350 a month at the cost of £1340
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best deal i did was selling a round,6 hours work badly priced then 3 years later old dear pestering me to clean her windows as nobodys been for ages,so i rang the lad up i sold it to because i wouldnt pinch it off him. He said he had sold it on to a numpty, so i went and cleaned the old dear and they were filthy, over the course of 6 months without any door knocking got the full round back at better prices so quids in ;D ;D
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best deal i did was selling a round,6 hours work badly priced then 3 years later old dear pestering me to clean her windows as nobodys been for ages,so i rang the lad up i sold it to because i wouldnt pinch it off him. He said he had sold it on to a numpty, so i went and cleaned the old dear and they were filthy, over the course of 6 months without any door knocking got the full round back at better prices so quids in ;D ;D
Did you break the 2 pound barrier stan ;D
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best deal i did was selling a round,6 hours work badly priced then 3 years later old dear pestering me to clean her windows as nobodys been for ages,so i rang the lad up i sold it to because i wouldnt pinch it off him. He said he had sold it on to a numpty, so i went and cleaned the old dear and they were filthy, over the course of 6 months without any door knocking got the full round back at better prices so quids in ;D ;D
Did you break the 2 pound barrier stan ;D
hey i got as greedy as a few on here Monday one off clean 2 windows £2 ;D ;D
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wow stan you are getting daring lately,
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wow stan you are getting daring lately,
i am with that house no pavement so ladder in a main rd with just the bucket behind for safety ;D
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best deal i did was selling a round,6 hours work badly priced then 3 years later old dear pestering me to clean her windows as nobodys been for ages,so i rang the lad up i sold it to because i wouldnt pinch it off him. He said he had sold it on to a numpty, so i went and cleaned the old dear and they were filthy, over the course of 6 months without any door knocking got the full round back at better prices so quids in ;D ;D
Isn’t that someone else’s patch Stan?
thats why i made the call,windows were filthy so who ever had the patch had packed in,so fair game ;D
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Do you patches only exist in the like minded Stan, other wise it’s fair game. ;D
patches only exist when they are serviced , anyone who hasnt had a cleaner for several months are fair game,if the customer lies and a cleaner turns up i walk away, there are places that dont have a cleaner, found one in Jan women asked me went now have 14 jobs on 2 avenues and rising not knocked on any doors ;D
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What if the took a 8-9 month break for whatever reason?
well id walk away,thats just happened somewhere else i cleaned for 18 months, he rented the work out while doing something else they mismanaged the round and missed a street because of bad climbs, i chap i know begged me to go for 2 months ,finally gave in and then picked up full st, old cleaner came back and i walked away, customers not happy but i have standards ;D ;D
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Why, what reasons, what standards?
customers prefered me on the dot every 2 week he had let them down, my standards he had paid for the work so gave it back, i have plenty dont need a turf war ;D
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hi cozy,i havent bought the round as yet,im just saying if i thought about the window cleaning business like some do on here then i wouldnt bother forking out for work if any tom,dick or harry could just nick it from me,my gf told me few weeks ago that her mother and her neighbours arent happy with their window cleaner and i could go do theirs but i dont think that way i guess im old fashioned.Every window cleaner i know and i know loads through the west coast and they all the think the same way,keeping to your own areas,not stepping on others toes basically do to others as youd have done to yourselves,karma has its way of biting you in the ass,its different if an old boy gives up the ghost or someone has an accident in which case we normally help the guy out with his work till he decides hes ready to come back,infact the only wcer i met with a different attitude is the jehovah guy.
Are "scouser jehovah guys" who move to be near their girlfriend's allowed to have patches Paul? And when you send them "back to where they came from" how do you do it?
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of course the jehovah guy is allowed to start his own round,he can either a)buy work or b)canvass newbuilds or get work through advertising this certain guy had actually came to my friend for a job so after 3 months he knew all my friends work and prices,one day he packed his job in and said he had enough work to go it alone,2 months later my friend started seeing him more and more cleaning windows in the estates that my friend had 80-95% of the custom in soon after my friend was losing work as the guy was undercutting him by a 3rd and although my friend wouldnt admit it the jehovah guy was more professional looking,im guessing that went a long way in gaining the customers,dont you think thats a right cheeky barsteward you give the guy a job and then he feks you over? as for how they got rid of him umm i dont know all the details as im sure that would make me somehow involved or turning a blind eye to criminal activity but heresay i gather he was warned a few times and he went through 3 vans in 2 months because they spontaneously combusted lol
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hi cozy,i havent bought the round as yet,im just saying if i thought about the window cleaning business like some do on here then i wouldnt bother forking out for work if any tom,dick or harry could just nick it from me,my gf told me few weeks ago that her mother and her neighbours arent happy with their window cleaner and i could go do theirs but i dont think that way i guess im old fashioned.Every window cleaner i know and i know loads through the west coast and they all the think the same way,keeping to your own areas,not stepping on others toes basically do to others as youd have done to yourselves,karma has its way of biting you in the ass,its different if an old boy gives up the ghost or someone has an accident in which case we normally help the guy out with his work till he decides hes ready to come back,infact the only wcer i met with a different attitude is the jehovah guy.
Are "scouser jehovah guys" who move to be near their girlfriend's allowed to have patches Paul? And when you send them "back to where they came from" how do you do it?
yet again you have totally misread a post.I never sent noone back to where they came from.
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Cozy I think youll find this only happens in very few areas,
From what I understand, I think it's generally a more Northern thing. Probably because unemployment has traditionally been higher away from the southeast.
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im about to buy a round for 4k and if anyone thinks they will just be able to turn up thinking the work i buy is fair game is either extremely brave or extremely stupid,my mates got a round in glasgow and this scouse jehovah witness who moved up to be near his gfs family thought the way some do on here and thought he could undercut people needless to say he was sent homewards to think again. ;D
Sorry Paul perhaps I should be more lucid - I meant how do you (collectively) send them back as per your post here... perhaps you forgot you posted it?
Now I understand - you (collectively) torch his van ... you (collectively) seem just the type that I would lose my customers to.... not.
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Is simon back?....do not feed the trolls...
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Is simon back?....do not feed the trolls...
Ah! Good point ...
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was my m8s round why the hell would i put my neck out for someone elses round?and as for calling people trolls and all the other poope yous talk go stick your wfp poles up where the sun doesnt shine bawbags.
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of course the jehovah guy is allowed to start his own round,he can either a)buy work or b)canvass newbuilds or get work through advertising
Well that's very nice of you to make up rules to suit you. Isn't legislation a govenment job. Ah I forgot, you are judge, jury and ex....