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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Gordon Watson on April 15, 2005, 04:55:28 pm

Title: A tank outside your house
Post by: Gordon Watson on April 15, 2005, 04:55:28 pm
Having no garage, I am planning on locating a tank outside my north-facing wall under my kitchen window, near my waste pipe drain. It will hold about 1000L of water fed from an RO filter located inside the kitchen.

Does anyone keep a tank of pure (or almost pure) water located outside? Should I insulate it? Do I need to protect it from the elements?

Thanks. Gordon.
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: Duke on April 15, 2005, 05:00:17 pm
it would be wise...if nothing else, to keep the winter frost off it...a frozen tank of water is little use. It doesn't have to be anything too elaborate...just keep it a bit warmer and protect the electrics...(and any pipework going to it/from it.)
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: replacement on April 15, 2005, 05:18:45 pm
Mine is outside and has been for over 1 year now. It has never froze and has never got any alage in it. Its not covered or painted black just a normal 1000 L IBC tank which is clear. Thou i do turn some water over in it.

Justin
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: Simon Carter on April 15, 2005, 05:40:57 pm
Why a 1000 lts. container?. Do you anticipate using 1000 lts. every day?. Will you be carrying the water in your vehicle in a tank, or cans?. If space is an issue, do you really need a 1000 lt. tank, or is someone trying to sell you what you don't need ?. Been there, got the tea shirt !.
The capacity of the tank is not so much of an issue as how fast it fills. Your choice of RO is therefore more important. For example, if popping home is no problem & you do need 1000 lts. a day. a 500 lt. tank that fills up twice a day, may be all you need. Much easier to sight & easier to lag if you feel it necessary.
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: Duke on April 15, 2005, 05:51:22 pm
I'd still protect it...it's been ralatively mild over the last 12 months, and even though the water is moving...as in constantly filling...you could still be caught out with a really cold snap one winter...why stress ?...I'd go for the peace of mind, I need my sleep !
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: matt on April 15, 2005, 05:58:06 pm
i use a Rain water Butt (holds 210 L's), it does a grand job, i use 150 L a day, and it would fit in a small plastic tool store (you get them from DIY stores) that would keep the frost etc off it

if you needed more storage just use to of them connected

Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: replacement on April 15, 2005, 06:15:58 pm
Why a 1000 lts. container?. Do you anticipate using 1000 lts. every day?.

Think Big Your Be Big.

And Yes to the 2nd question.
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: Duke on April 15, 2005, 06:38:41 pm
lol...that's going some....that'd last me a week..and make £500....soooo...2.5 grand a week....thinking...
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: Duke on April 15, 2005, 06:40:20 pm
25 hours a day........
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: replacement on April 15, 2005, 06:47:23 pm
Depends on what jobs and what size they are really.

Justin
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: matt on April 15, 2005, 07:01:41 pm
Why a 1000 lts. container?. Do you anticipate using 1000 lts. every day?.

Think Big Your Be Big.

And Yes to the 2nd question.

BUT it doesnt matter what job i am doing, i would never use 1000 L a week, so why buy what you dont need ?? ??
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: bobjarrett on April 16, 2005, 11:52:36 am
Hi there i have the same problem , im goona put mine in shed , i read on one post someone built around his tank , you could always lay some slabs down then build round , making sure the tank is higher up , so you are not struggling to fill containers unless you have transfer pump , i also seen dark green storage tanks what they use for oil , im not set up myself but all the knowledge i have looked at on this site and another i feel like i know a fair bit already cheers guys .
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: matt on April 16, 2005, 01:58:54 pm
mine will be put outside in a shed (if we convert our garage to a room)

2 Water/rain buts sat side by side and build a timber shed to that size, nice little pitched roof on top will lok great

then run power to it so in the winter i can have my small oil heater in it to protect the RO from freezing
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: gaza on April 16, 2005, 02:59:39 pm
oil heater,sloping roof,dont make it to cosy your mrs may want to put you in there one night aving a lauf ;D
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: thewindowcleaner1 on April 16, 2005, 10:25:48 pm
I've got a 1000 ltre tank, and just installed a Merlin Ro, only use about 400 ltres a day but I now have a system to grow-into and not grow out-of

Alan
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: easycleanwindows on April 18, 2005, 06:49:34 pm
Right ladies and gentle men.i am also going to install an ro unit with a 1000ltr tank...yes i use at least 900 ltr per day.but i dont have a garage and i dont really want to spend 3,000 on one already made by supplier.i wish to make my own could anyone send me some plans ....electric ,water,and also what pumps your using to transfer from water butts as i know the manufacturer of what i use can transfer in 8 mins...all help appreciated.
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: Duke on April 18, 2005, 06:59:48 pm
wow, that seems a lot...are you working 15 hour days....??
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: easycleanwindows on April 18, 2005, 07:28:19 pm
Hi Duke no mate i work 8am 6pm but i do alot of large buildings flats etc and i use £300.of resin every three weeks so i really need to think about using ro first.I turn over enough to justify the resin but its getting a pain keep emptying the cylinders every time
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: thewindowcleaner1 on April 18, 2005, 09:24:20 pm
Idea!
1000ltre tank NO garage, dig a big hole and put in the ground, a bit of lagging on top won't freeze in the winter. job done.

RO if water pressure is around 40psi buy Merlin can produce over 1000Ltrs a day on tap pressure.

to move water to van Cheap and chearful sump pump Screw fix about £35 (used mine for about 6 months so far still works ok) when it stops buy new one, 1" hose got mine from garden centre 30 Mtr forgot price, got tap and other bit from B&Q this delivers 300 ltrs in about 4 min.
Electrics for sump pump - Extenshion lead from house, keep plug dry in tupperware container.

Cost  shop around less than 1k
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: AuRavelling79 on April 19, 2005, 06:24:45 pm
I think that's what spoiled Hitler's birthday party (April 20th 1945 - 60 years ago today!) wasn't it? - A tank outside his house? Several I think - all Russian made T-34's! ;D ;D ;D

(Back to real purpose of thread - I have a 210 litre water-butt full of 000 ppm water outside my house!)
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: Gordon Watson on April 21, 2005, 04:30:01 pm
Thanks for all your help and comments. I am going to install 2 x 500L BNC tanks, with some insulation in the pipes.

Gordon
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: Jeff Brimble on April 21, 2005, 09:34:25 pm
Remember that the colder the water the quicker it will freeze when you send it up the pole paticulary thro the brush head "jets" when its zero degrees. When in a container its the top 2" that will freeze, you may need to break the surface to get it to come out of a tap.
I always keep 25- 50 litres indoors to start the day when its that cold.
Title: Re: A tank outside your house
Post by: Gordon Watson on April 22, 2005, 04:55:08 pm
Graham,

We are a two man outfit with a (soon-to-be-fitted) 800L van tank. I figure that 400L per person should last a long-enough day doing our many-houses-in-one-street domestic round.

Gordon :)