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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: covenant on April 09, 2009, 11:24:16 pm

Title: Down turn
Post by: covenant on April 09, 2009, 11:24:16 pm
Been  away from the site for a while just signed back in. I was wondering if the down turn has had any effect on you in the mother land.  I am in Perth West Australia, and am as busy as ever. 

I am going to order the new EMV from Texatherm what do people think of it?   
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: robert meldrum on April 09, 2009, 11:38:40 pm
I think many are concerning themselves overmuch,  looking for additional services to offer rather than just doubling their marketing. The new Tex' machine looks good and will make a lot of sense to those who can see it's potential which it has in abundance.

With the emphasis on multi vac and massive psi, most will fail to see the woods for the trees,  in something that appears to contradict the current thinking.
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: clinton on April 10, 2009, 07:43:29 am
There is a post on here from the guy who has  the tex set up and goes into detail about what it can do opp to the full vac all muscle set up ::)
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: mmartin on April 10, 2009, 07:37:15 pm
HI 
I have been using texatherms emv machine for 6 months.
truly outstanding results!! running at about 60--80 psi with drying times at around 1 hour. The build quality is superb. with exstensive r+d mark mullane
has set out to make the best portable extraction machine on the market..
I would recommend any one in the market to seriously look at the EMV.
MIKE

wwwcarpetsdryaswesaygoodbye.co.uk
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: clinton on April 10, 2009, 07:45:01 pm
Its going to take some used to the emv i guess ???
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: Robert Watson on April 10, 2009, 08:34:01 pm
How much is it?

Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: clinton on April 10, 2009, 09:21:13 pm
Rabby

Think its around 2400 ???

Garry webber knows all about this set up and seems helpfull ..
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: gary.coles on April 10, 2009, 11:05:30 pm
Rabby

Think its around 2400 ???

Garry webber knows all about this set up and seems helpfull ..
Hi  Clinton,

is that you on ur bike there matey!!

                                  Regards Gary :) :) :)
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: Gary Webber on April 11, 2009, 09:04:46 am
Help!

Someone stole my identity :o

Seriously price between 2690-2890 depending upon what you want. Comes with 10m of solutionvac hose, hand tool, wand, exhaust hose and dump hose.

If you wanted an idea of the max hose length it will take, did a big bungalow and annexxe with m/c and 150 foot of hose attached.

The real Gary ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: clinton on April 11, 2009, 10:22:52 am
Hi gary c

Yes am lucky enough to have my weekend toy lol

A great bike mate :)

Have you got one ???
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: clinton on April 11, 2009, 10:24:31 am
Gary w.

Think some are wanting to know what the drying times are like as compared to the new set ups it has only 2 vacs ???
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: robert meldrum on April 11, 2009, 11:20:08 am
This sounds like a machine that's been designed with a lot of thought  and well worth trying out. If you can run at 100+ feet that will cope with almost anything,  plus being not only portable but having the option of bonneting gives this machine the edge for many contract jobs.

A very interesting development
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: mark_roberts on April 11, 2009, 11:34:25 am
60-80psi may well get a carpet dry in 1 hour, as your not using that much water, but is it surface or deep cleaning??

At the end of the day its a plastic tub with a pump and two motors.  Your a few thousand miles away but what if it breaks and it will over time as everything does.  Buy local and save yourself the hassle, money and time.

Mark
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: Ken Wainwright on April 11, 2009, 12:00:36 pm
Mark

I gather the pump is more about flow than psi.  For example, a T/M @ 300psi will have much greater flow than my Scorp @ 300psi.  Same goes for the EMV.  80psi will have a greater flow than a Shureflo @ 80 or probably 100/135psi too.

Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: Gary Webber on April 11, 2009, 05:51:20 pm
Hi Mark,

It,s loke Ken has said. The ratio now is solution pressure:Flow ratio.

The pump delivers higher volumes of solution through wider bore hoses down to larger jet size tips. This has the benefit of wetting into the fibres, or flooding out as compared to lower volumes pushed through small bore solution hoses as higher pressures. When high pressure/small bore solution hits a  carpet a porportion atomises or forms more of a mist that can't be recaptured easily. This is a form of cavitation where the water/oxygen mixture gets captured and returned via the extraction process.

If you then introduce the wider bore/lower pressure, the fibres are hit at a lower pressure, flooded and removed without cavitation. Because you are not causing oxygen/water mixture, you get a greater water lift and so greater recovery (I am achieving an average90% recovery across all carpet types)

This is apparent in that I am only needing ONE pass of the wand across the carpet and achieving results that previously took me2-3 passes and much longer drying times.

Gary :) :)
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: Gary Webber on April 11, 2009, 06:00:40 pm
Clinton,

The average drying times are 1-3 hours. Don't be confused with what 3 vacs can do for you, be more concerned with the balance of a system.

The EMV works on lower pressure/greater flow so the water lift is significantly higher. That works with the open air paths which mean no restriction on flow from the hoses all the way to the vac motors themselves.

Again I will say I have been with Truckmounters who say that the results   thety achieved on a demo with the EMV match the results they have achieved. I don't think any of the hype really matters with any of these things, it's down to the results and how reliable something is going to be.

Bear in mind some of the posts from people with breakdowns, considering I have had 9-10 months with my machine and have hammered it, the components are all original!

Gary :) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: Mike Halliday on April 11, 2009, 06:32:34 pm
10 years ago I experimented with this low pressure high flow principles. using a wide bore solution line i directly connected onto the customers taps i also increased the jet size in my spare wand. there was no difference in drying times or cleaning results. water lift is created by vacuum power and is'nt effected by how the solution is applied to the carpet unless you are using the term term incorrectly and mean 'water recovery'

all this 'cavitation'  'atomising'  'open air paths'  sounds like marketing waffle to me ( and I do know the correct definition of these words ;) )
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: Gary Webber on April 11, 2009, 06:40:00 pm
Mike,

So you increased the jet size opened the bore of the pipe and then you altered the machine to produce less pressure and altered the way your machine works by adding a few pipes and added an extra vacuum and...

Oh I forgot added the lipstick! (a porty is still aporty, just dressed up!)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on April 11, 2009, 06:48:45 pm
I would have thought the more liberal way of applying water would have been better suited to drying times as you are putting the water across the carpet not into the carpet (not the most accurate way of putting it I know) but with air movers the carpet should dry quicker as you have the water where you want it most.

This is all theory mind you.

Shaun
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: Gary Webber on April 11, 2009, 06:53:24 pm
Hi Shaun,

The idea is to send the solution into the carpet without the use of excessive pressure, so the fibres wet out and then the solution is pulled away agin quite quickly. Remember with your wand its all over in what 1-2 secs anyway!

Cheers Gary
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: clinton on April 11, 2009, 08:11:17 pm
Garry

Am starting to understand the system mate and what it can do.

Its all going to be down what the guys want i guess  ???

As you said with the drying times they are down to a decent time.
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on April 11, 2009, 08:31:51 pm
That's my thoughts obviously there's a bit of real world and als a bit of technique though because nothing is straight forward as these things state.

I have noticed that with my Boxxer 427 the flow is better than my 421 5.5 gallons a min compared to 3.5 and I can use my 1 jet wand with an 06 jet on it and 250psi and get a good drying result.

Shaun
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: gary.coles on April 11, 2009, 11:54:54 pm
Hi gary c

Yes am lucky enough to have my weekend toy lol

A great bike mate :)

Have you got one ???
Hi there clinton,
thats a boys bike you have there man ;D ;D ;D ;D
Only joking spud ;)

I have a big bike i will sell you if you are looking for one that is ;)

Its what you call a  8) 8)  bike.....GSX 1400...lovely bike mate ;)

                          Regards Gary :) :) :)
Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: clinton on April 12, 2009, 09:35:58 am
Gary :D

Nice bike you have a muscle bike mate ;)

Akm making the most of ther sports bikes before my back goes ;D

Title: Re: Down turn
Post by: gary.coles on April 12, 2009, 09:53:44 am
Gary :D

Nice bike you have a muscle bike mate ;)

Akm making the most of ther sports bikes before my back goes ;D


Hi clinton,

He is bludy heavy mate if you come of the thing.

Just tax mine for 6 months,and then he will go back in to hybernation for 6 months,its the best way.

Nice bike there clinton you have,take of bike you have ;D ;D ;D ;D

                                   Regards Gary :) :) :) :)