Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Adam_london_uk on April 07, 2009, 11:55:34 am
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Hi guys,
Just starting out like now...
I personally think I would work better alongside somebody so I have a few people to call.
Question is how do I split anything. We will both have to go door knocking with no money untill we actually start cleaning.
Any advice is most welcome likewise so is critisism thanks
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No partners, you won't earn enough for two starting out mate. I tried it and the maths don't work. Best to go it alone if you can.
Good luck!
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Where do you see the advantage of working together with someone?
I've seen this a couple of times with a few people I know and it's always ended in tears before bed time.
I could see an advantage of 2 middle sized firms linking up to run everything out of 1 office and being more flexible but otherwise it's a recipe for trouble mate.
Go on your own if Iwere you.
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I had a partner 6 years ago............were best mates for 18 years then one wants to work harder than the other ......but still take the same wages urrrrrmmmmm not quite right oh and we dont talk anymore..never again go it alone if you want to work along side someone do it when you have built your business up then employ someone but its your choice.
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Thanks so far!
Bascially way I see it is 2 people knocking should mean twice the amount of change of pulling a job in.
Thats in theory. Then theres footing ladders etc etc.
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Yes Adam, but 2 people knocking and working etc etc, but that half the money for each, where's the advantage???? Then, 1 doesn't want to work Saturdays and the other works faster etc etc, 1 gets sick and can't work for a week.................
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you dont need a partner for doorknocking !
re :- footing , employ a part timer if you dont want to work on your own !
or , go wfp !
( im trad , but agree wfp has its advantages )
good luck .
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Id say door knock with your mate! only because then you have each others motivation to work from. BUT lets say u get 10 jobs and he gets 10 jobs. well you both will only get payed your 10jobs each so theres no advantage apart from being able to have a laugh together.
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I had a partner 6 years ago............were best mates for 18 years then one wants to work harder than the other ......but still take the same wages urrrrrmmmmm not quite right oh and we dont talk anymore..never again go it alone if you want to work along side someone do it when you have built your business up then employ someone but its your choice.
same thing happend to me. i had a friend since i was 5 years old. we worked together. things got messy and now we don't talk. the words never mix business with pleasure make the most sense
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if you put some details on your profile it might help as some of us may be local to you and willing to give you some work
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Adam...seriously consider working on your own...when you have enough customers, then think about spreading your wings...
I see where you're going with this thought line...but working and building something for yourself is not that bad ;)
Cheers and good luck.
Dave.
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Thanks so far!
Bascially way I see it is 2 people knocking should mean twice the amount of change of pulling a job in.
Thats in theory. Then theres footing ladders etc etc.
Forget ladders, go WFP from the start. A small RO and a backpack & pole won't set you back too much, and it''l allow you to clean better, safer and quicker.
WORK ALONE,... I can't emphasis enough how much of a bad idea it is to go into a partnership.
If you absolutely can't abide working alone,.. employ someone, but don't go into a partnership!
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never ever go into partnership
it just doesn't work, one half always works harder than the other, personality clashes etc all make for a bad experience.
my son works FOR ME although I would have a hard time enforcing that! He is out in a seperate van, I have a guy with me, he has a guy with him. I take care of most of the bookwork and pay the wages, its a good setup for us as I know my son can run the business on his own and vice versa so it takes the pressure off both of us but as for working together in the same van - no chance
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Partnership NO.
Sole Trader and you employ a PT guy or canvasser YES!
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I had a partner 6 years ago............were best mates for 18 years then one wants to work harder than the other ......but still take the same wages urrrrrmmmmm not quite right oh and we dont talk anymore..never again go it alone if you want to work along side someone do it when you have built your business up then employ someone but its your choice.
Same here had a business partner, we were mates until working together! in the end it affects the business as you end up spending more time in discussions rather than working! Ended up selling the business and going alone. You could always pay someone to go door knocking on commission, and take on a p/t worker as already mentioned. Looks like the general consensus on here is partnerships do not work - ask any accountant or solicitor and see their reaction!!(my accountant warned me before hand, and i never listened- what do they know ehh!!)
Give it some serious thought!
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stay on your own ....adam , learnfrom our mistakes ;)
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Answer to the post title, NO WAY!!!!!!!!
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work by yourself any ladders need footing ,do that work on sat and get the wife to foot or employ mate for morning ;D ;D
Or don't use ladders, no nagging from wife to go shopping ;)
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I would never have a partner i`m to stubborn and like to steer my own boat,i bloke once said to me and he was right if you steer your own boat and it sinks you can only blame yourself.Get a big enough round and then get some paid help.
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I think if you go into a partnership your window cleaning career will be very short.
I have my wife with me a lot of the time but she does not get paid.
Well actually she does its me that doesn't. :(
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thanks for the advice!
Im not going to bother then lol and will listen to everybody. Take my wife steady on there haha she will be one day but not just yet also the fact that she is 8 months pregant kind of puts me off that idea.
I would love to go wfp from the start but afraid money does not permit it at this moment in time although Im keen to get a setup like that before the end of the year.
Well tomorrow the flyers and tshirts get here so door knocking here I come.
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For anyone else thinking it might be a good idea.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! ;D
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Well done Adam...just get out there and crack on....when you feel like you just do not want to go out 'today'....just ignore it and get out there as that is where your future is.
Door knock and leaflet...take note of those who were not in and go back again...
Plan your leafleting/doorknocking..so you just don't end up walking around in circles...print some street maps ...so you get an idea of where you have been.
I have todate put out over 20k leaflets on my tod and still continue to do so each and every week (not 20k I might add)....leafleting and canvassing will be part of your life for the forseeable future so embrace it as part of the job.
In 2 years you'll look back and smile knowing that you made the best decision in your life with regard to work...
And the best part is that with this job you'll be able to see your 'future new arrival' grow up and you be able to spend alot more time with the baby which is worth more than any money in the world !!...
So you have so much to look forward to....congratulations...it's not all rosey I'll admit but dig in and you'll reap the many rewards.
Keep us posted.
So....good morning and good luck...
Dave.
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I haven't put in a scripture for a while, but I will now (sorry Pingu ;D) it shows how relevant some of these old writings can be:
Deuteronomy 22: v 10 (Law of Moses to Israel)
You must not plough with a Bull and a Donkey together.
Brute strength with an all day plodder should not be yoked together in the same task see?
Thus endeth the lesson! ;D
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Lol!! Who you calling a donkey then Malc?
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I think if you go into a partnership your window cleaning career will be very short.
I have my wife with me a lot of the time but she does not get paid.
Well actually she does its me that doesn't. :(
Yep! same for me. She won't do ladder work, (in a skirt) ;D
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go it alone that way if you want a late start or a day off you can . I employ my son as he couldnt get a job , we get on fine but some weeks it gets a bit tight finding his wages think of the time we lost this winter . when he finds another job I will stick to my own company.
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Malc,
sum me up scriptually, or is that biblically?
I know that i often think, after one of my astonishing posts- 'pearls before swine'
Cheers Clive
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Adam, May have been covered already but consider this. When you are travelling between jobs, you are not earning. When you get there, the £x is all yours if you are on your own. If there's two of you, you're both earning nowt whilst travelling. And then you earn £x divided by two. Travelling time is down time. Two travelling is down time times two.