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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: gerard mcmanus on March 28, 2009, 05:01:03 pm
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I have ordered a handheld TDS meter to see what my water is like, I hope its good enough to just go with DI, but I am interested in the Omnitrolley systems.
http://www.omnipole.com/omnitrolley.htm
However, I have a few questions I hope you guys can help me with.
One I drive kangoo RXE,
1. what would it be like getting a 125 litter trolley out the van, could I lift that, or will I need some sort of ramp?
2. How long would it take to fill a 125 litter trolley and how long could I expect that to last, the morning, all day? I know this is ambiguous question as it depends of number of jobs, if you could give me an educated guess.
3. I would be thinking of using a trigger to save water, I am intending on getting a pole carrier though if it fitted inside the van great. I would want something around 25-30 feet. I like the look of...
http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/shop/index.php/Water-Fed-Poles/Exel-GXTEL-Water-fed-Glass-Fibre-Pole/Detailed-product-flyer.html
the 30 feet gxtel27, would I get this inside a kangoo. If not, does the head come off that easy enough for storage in a pole carrier?
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I have ordered a handheld TDS meter to see what my water is like, I hope its good enough to just go with DI, but I am interested in the Omnitrolley systems.
http://www.omnipole.com/omnitrolley.htm
However, I have a few questions I hope you guys can help me with.
One I drive kangoo RXE,
1. what would it be like getting a 125 litter trolley out the van, could I lift that, or will I need some sort of ramp?
2. How long would it take to fill a 125 litter trolley and how long could I expect that to last, the morning, all day? I know this is ambiguous question as it depends of number of jobs, if you could give me an educated guess.
3. I would be thinking of using a trigger to save water, I am intending on getting a pole carrier though if it fitted inside the van great. I would want something around 25-30 feet. I like the look of...
http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/shop/index.php/Water-Fed-Poles/Exel-GXTEL-Water-fed-Glass-Fibre-Pole/Detailed-product-flyer.html
the 30 feet gxtel27, would I get this inside a kangoo. If not, does the head come off that easy enough for storage in a pole carrier?
1. you would struggle to lift it in half full...but if it was just tap water you would beable to pump some out
2. buy a 50 ltr one from omnipole fills quicker a lot easier to push around.
3. i,d buy a flow control valve that fits onto your pole ..see pure freedom
4. the pole would fit into yr van depending on closed length/bulkhead you may have to come up with some mods
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You would load and unload the 125 when it is empty filling it on the ground. Many customers leave the trolley in rtheir vehicle and unreel the hose to reach where they want to clean, additional hoses can be connected to reach further.
It will last just over two hours of continuose work at 1 litre per minute, the 125 has a bypass control valve so you can restrict the water use more if you wish for maintenance cleans or increse the flow for first cleans.
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1. you would beable to lift it in half full just about anymore would be hard
2. buy a 50 ltr one from omnipole fills quicker a lot easier to push around.
3. i,d buy a flow control valve that fits onto your pole ..see pure freedom
If you try to lift even a half full 125 litre trolley you wont be doing it for long.
The water alone will weigh the equivalent of a 10 stone man, then theres the weight of the trolley on top, whats that.............20Kg; your looking at a total of a 13 stone man; I thought WFP was meant to be easier and safer.
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You would load and unload the 125 when it is empty filling it on the ground. Many customers leave the trolley in rtheir vehicle and unreel the hose to reach where they want to clean, additional hoses can be connected to reach further.
It will last just over two hours of continuose work at 1 litre per minute, the 125 has a bypass control valve so you can restrict the water use more if you wish for maintenance cleans or increse the flow for first cleans.
Yeah like a vanmount lol. ;D
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thanks guys, i like the idea of using it like a van mount with the use of reals.
can you guys elaborate more on...
fill times
the size of poles I could expect to fit inside a kangoo
also if I left it full, the the van would it not move around a bit? If anyone knows someone or has done something similar to what I am talking about, what did you do about securing it.
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You would load and unload the 125 when it is empty filling it on the ground. Many customers leave the trolley in rtheir vehicle and unreel the hose to reach where they want to clean, additional hoses can be connected to reach further.
It will last just over two hours of continuose work at 1 litre per minute, the 125 has a bypass control valve so you can restrict the water use more if you wish for maintenance cleans or increse the flow for first cleans.
Yeah like a vanmount lol. ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thats the best post youve done NWH....how I laughed ;D ;D
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What a stupid thing to say about a trolley lol leave it in the back of the van and run a hose from it, my god that made me LMAO lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Yea, why buy a trolley to leave it tucked up in the back of the van, what a dope ;D
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right ok, funny guys. I have also looked at pure freedom, would there DIY Kits be better then?
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If you wanna go down the trolley route get a PureFreedom, Id recommend straight into van-mount though.
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Oh, Glyns deleted his post, calling us trolls.
Anyway, Glyn, once the trolley is empty, tucked up in the back of the van, what do you do when its empty and the day is only half over? And youve earnt 60 quid.
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Buy a tank and a hosereel and get a vanmount don`t mess about with something your gonna sell in 6 months mate trust me.
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I could probably put together a DIY Kit, but am a little unsure about securing these tanks, can you just drill down on your floor etc.
Again any info about what pole would fit in my kangoo and fill times. I live in a flat and would prob be using a stand pipe, so fill times are important.
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Yes that would be much better option >:( ;D
And you should also try knocking on Matt and NWH customers doors, telling them you will do a better job.
I am sure they would take it as well as I am - Not
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Oh, Glyns deleted his post, calling us trolls.
Anyway, Glyn, once the trolley is empty, tucked up in the back of the van, what do you do when its empty and the day is only half over? And youve earnt 60 quid.
Trolleys make suppliers money not window cleaners,you will get back problems galore liftig that about all day.They should call them WFhernia trolley systems. ;D
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Glyn, you dont take it well, honest.
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Trolleys my A*** lol,come on now Glyn you know we are spot on with our comments but i have to admit it`s a good way of targeting WC`s with a small budget lol. ;D ;D ;D :-*
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I wouldn't completly knock the idea, as I work mostly in a town center and parking can be a pain, but I definately would invest maybe 1k to give WFP a go, as I would like to even just use it on high jobs.
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If you need it for access in areas like high streets you dont want that dinosaur like monstrosity that omniwhatsit sell, pushing that down the high street you'll need an HGV licence ;D ;D
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I could probably put together a DIY Kit, but am a little unsure about securing these tanks, can you just drill down on your floor etc.
Again any info about what pole would fit in my kangoo and fill times. I live in a flat and would prob be using a stand pipe, so fill times are important.
as well as info on these, can you put it over your rear axel or back of the van, or have oyu got to get it as in the middle as you can?
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hey ladder garder
have a look at scrimans post http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=72337.40
he uses a trolly to good effect
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The most simple way to WFP windows is to open the back door and grab the end of a hose and walk end of story,i`ve used backpacks on a trolley and off and there both Hernia encouraging methods.I would take advise from people that have used and purchased a product or method of working not someone who is simply selling it.
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Matt
Anyway, Glyn, once the trolley is empty, tucked up in the back of the van, what do you do when its empty and the day is only half over? And youve earnt 60 quid.
You fill it up with the 25 litre jerry cans you are carrying the pure water in the same as any other trolley or small tank user - I cannot believe you asked such an obvious question.
Why do I bother looking in on this forum
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hey ladder garder
have a look at scrimans post http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=72337.40
he uses a trolly to good effect
he fills it up at his customers, I might not be able to do that with most of mine.
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If a job has terrible access don`t take it on simple`s,if the job was worth it i would buy the leave on site jobbie that Ionic do.
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Matt
Anyway, Glyn, once the trolley is empty, tucked up in the back of the van, what do you do when its empty and the day is only half over? And youve earnt 60 quid.
You fill it up with the 25 litre jerry cans you are carrying the pure water in the same as any other trolley or small tank user - I cannot believe you asked such an obvious question.
Why do I bother looking in on this forum
Well, I dont know why you do, perhaps you should ask yourself that.
Anyway, thanks for answering my question, even if you do imply we're tire you with our idiocy.
Glyn your marketing and presentation skills require an immense element of fine tuning (considering you are in sales, and first impressions are what count; my first impression of you was that you were a kid troll) If I were you and you're unable to be professional in your presentation on here; for your benefit you really ought to take your own advise and not bother logging on.
After all you're the guy trying to sell trolleys suggesting they should be left in the backs of vans.
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i like the look of there trollys
i would go for the 50ltr one, as for filling it ,have a look at the marine section on ebay bilge pumps
if you find you need an ro when you test your tds, have a look at this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/300-gall-per-day-REVERSE-OSMOSIS-SYSTEM_W0QQitemZ250383099768QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA?hash=item250383099768&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1686%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
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i`ve used backpacks on a trolley and off and there both Hernia encouraging methods.I would take advise from people that have used and purchased a product or method of working not someone who is simply selling it
You obviously never used a double ladder to clean windows - if you did how did you possibly lift it on and off a roof rack.
If you really cannot not lift a backpack weighing in at only 16 or 17 killograms without the risk of a hernia have you considered if manual work really for you?
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i`ve used backpacks on a trolley and off and there both Hernia encouraging methods.I would take advise from people that have used and purchased a product or method of working not someone who is simply selling it
You obviously never used a double ladder to clean windows - if you did how did you possibly lift it on and off a roof rack.
If you really cannot not lift a backpack weighing in at only 16 or 17 killograms without the risk of a hernia have you considered if manual work really for you?
are they suposed to be filled with water, they would then wiegh more. I am using a triple tier ladder. If I fill my bucket to about 3 gallons, that weighs more than the ladder.
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glyn
i think your being baited ;) ;)
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hey ladder garder
have a look at scrimans post http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=72337.40
he uses a trolly to good effect
he fills it up at his customers, I might not be able to do that with most of mine.
you will beable to top up most have taps..wots yr tds count anyway?
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I wouldn't completly knock the idea, as I work mostly in a town center and parking can be a pain, but I definately would invest maybe 1k to give WFP a go, as I would like to even just use it on high jobs.
Then I would say the 50L classic would be Ideal. I do think that the 125L would be a poor choice because it's just gonna be to much hassle. The weight of it full is 5 times the weight of the recommended maximum limit of a single person (25kg).
The other problem is that if its full and you encounter a slope of then you are going to find it hard to stop from getting away from you the potential for an accident is quite high IMO. A van mount might not be practical (eg parking etc) but you could combine the 50L with a hose and get the best of both worlds. The running time between fills is 45-60 mins so it will last long enough to get a fair whack done.
You would load and unload the 125 when it is empty filling it on the ground. Many customers leave the trolley in rtheir vehicle and unreel the hose to reach where they want to clean, additional hoses can be connected to reach further.
It will last just over two hours of continuose work at 1 litre per minute, the 125 has a bypass control valve so you can restrict the water use more if you wish for maintenance cleans or increse the flow for first cleans.
Yeah like a vanmount lol. ;D
Glyn I thought these bigger trolleys were for commercial work with access issues? You cant be serious that people would just whack it in the back of and use it from there, what's the point? Surely if you were going to do that you might as well get a van mount? I am surprised that you didn't advise him that considering you sell em ::)
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If I were you and you're unable to be professional in your presentation on here; for your benefit you really ought to take your own advise and not bother logging on.
My window cleaning company carries out work for some of the largest organisations in the UK but I obviously dont know anything about the industry :)
After all you're the guy trying to sell trolleys suggesting they should be left in the backs of vans.
What is wrong with that, a very cheap 125 litre van mount with the benifit of also being a trolley.
Think outside the box
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van mount is best, and also have in your kit a couple of back packs....i would recomend the window cleaning warehouse back pack , its far better than shureflow one , its lighter (much lighter) easierb to carry with a handle, and less complicated (more reliable)....and half the price :D
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I could probably put together a DIY Kit, but am a little unsure about securing these tanks, can you just drill down on your floor etc.
Again any info about what pole would fit in my kangoo and fill times. I live in a flat and would prob be using a stand pipe, so fill times are important.
as well as info on these, can you put it over your rear axel or back of the van, or have oyu got to get it as in the middle as you can?
I am serious about my questions if anyone can answer, joking aside, trevor I havent recieved my meter yet I will let you guys know when I ge it.
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I think someones off their trolley ??? ??? :P
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glyn
i think your being baited
I thought that too :)
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If I were you and you're unable to be professional in your presentation on here; for your benefit you really ought to take your own advise and not bother logging on.
My window cleaning company carries out work for some of the largest organisations in the UK but I obviously dont know anything about the industry :)
After all you're the guy trying to sell trolleys suggesting they should be left in the backs of vans.
What is wrong with that, a very cheap 125 litre van mount with the benifit of also being a trolley.
Think outside the box
Well, in that case Im sure you dont speak to your window cleaning clients like you do on here.
Perhaps customer liason is left to someone else in your company.
I wouldnt expect to be in business if I looked down my nose and treated my customers with the apparent disdain and lack of respect you show on here.
Im in the market for a top of the range gutter vac, as my advertising has produced some profound leads recently, (mostly notably commercial contracts) Im thinking of getting a 4th vehicle simply to fulfill these on a full time basis, any suggestions Glyn?
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I could probably put together a DIY Kit, but am a little unsure about securing these tanks, can you just drill down on your floor etc.
Again any info about what pole would fit in my kangoo and fill times. I live in a flat and would prob be using a stand pipe, so fill times are important.
as well as info on these, can you put it over your rear axel or back of the van, or have oyu got to get it as in the middle as you can?
I am serious about my questions if anyone can answer, joking aside, trevor I havent recieved my meter yet I will let you guys know when I ge it.
if you go for the modular poles you will be able to get any size in
i just strap the sections i need to my trolly
have a look at matts site, there is a lot of good info on there
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I`m not baiting anyone i`m just responding to the stupid replies regarding trolleys.
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I`m not baiting anyone i`m just responding to the stupid replies regarding trolleys
What exactly was stupid about my replies?
Can you purchase a ready made 125 litre van mount with integral hose and reel cheaper?
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I`m not baiting anyone i`m just responding to the stupid replies regarding trolleys
What exactly was stupid about my replies?
Can you purchase a ready made 125 litre van mount with integral hose and reel cheaper?
NO but to use that as van mount you would be mad
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i have got both the 125 ltr and the 50ltr mk2 omnitrolleys i have had them for over 2 years and never had a problem with them , i now only use them on big jobs or conservatory roofs , as i use backpacks for all other domestic work , if you want to put the trolleys in your van 2 people can pick the 125 ltr up easilly or if you are on your own like i am sometimes ,i bought some ramps from omnipole and can easily get the trolleys in and out of the van.
when i first bought the 125 ltr i used it out of the back of a astra estate with jerry cans it was easy to fill.
gary
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NO but to use that as van mount you would be mad
Why exactly?
You simply restrain the unit using either existing ties with rachet straps or fit a clamping system to restrain the unit.
We supplied several large organisations that use these units in vehicles for bus stop canopy cleaning as well as very many commercial window cleaning orgnisations that use them on a wide variety of buildings.
Is that okay?
i have got both the 125 ltr and the 50ltr mk2 omnitrolleys i have had them for over 2 years and never had a problem with them , i now only use them on big jobs or conservatory roofs , as i use backpacks for all other domestic work , if you want to put the trolleys in your van 2 people can pick the 125 ltr up easilly or if you are on your own like i am sometimes ,i bought some ramps from omnipole and can easily get the trolleys in and out of the van.
when i first bought the 125 ltr i used it out of the back of a astra estate with jerry cans it was easy to fill.
gary
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thanks glr for that info, I will look into ramps more.
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ladder garder can you email me please will email you back tomorrow
thanks
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I have ordered a handheld TDS meter to see what my water is like, I hope its good enough to just go with DI, but I am interested in the Omnitrolley systems.
I've got a 125L Omnitrolley sitting in the garage doing nothing if you're interested.
It was my first purchase into Wfp years ago and served the purpose fine.
Secured into a van and backed up by enough 25L bottles to top up with it did well as a vehicle mounted system, but had the advantage that for some locations it could be taken out and wheeled to areas where vehicles could go.
Like I said it's there if you're interested but it be buyer collect or arrange carriage.
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Neil did you get a call about carpet cleaning in Overton yesterday? (I think it was Overton anyway)
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what would u want for it neil?
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Neil did you get a call about carpet cleaning in Overton yesterday? (I think it was Overton anyway)
No :(
Are you looking for some weekend work, I say some as it's about 4 days worth of trad work spread over numerous weekends (Gosport)
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what would u want for it neil?
£200
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the 125 lt one? with the hose reel on it? what nic?
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the 125 lt one? with the hose reel on it? what nic?
125L, Hose reel full of hose, the battery was changed to a standard vehicle battery which worked just fine, the battery holding box (tin) is a little bit buckled but that can be straightened out, but it works and looks great.
I'm sure Matt (Oakley) would pop over to give his view if your seriously interested.
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sold
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i will buy it for 200 quid neil 8)
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i like your part of the world, if your happy to sell, will tye it in with a nice little road trip
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i need a wee jaunt anyway...anytime during the week, the UK cant be THAT big surely 8)
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half way then?
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Neil did you get a call about carpet cleaning in Overton yesterday? (I think it was Overton anyway)
No :(
Are you looking for some weekend work, I say some as it's about 4 days worth of trad work spread over numerous weekends (Gosport)
Im not, but I can, if you see what I mean.
Give me a bell mate.
I passed your number on to some guy, he wanted the whole interior carpets cleaned of his place on the outskirts of Overton. He might ring next week.
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the 125 lt one? with the hose reel on it? what nic?
125L, Hose reel full of hose, the battery was changed to a standard vehicle battery which worked just fine, the battery holding box (tin) is a little bit buckled but that can be straightened out, but it works and looks great.
I'm sure Matt (Oakley) would pop over to give his view if your seriously interested.
I can take a lookie and give my (un)biased :) opinion
;) ;D
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Give me a bell mate.
I'll tyry and remember to do that tomorrow after I've phoned Andy about the trolley and gone down to revisit that office block in Gosport.
Sunday....Day off...doesn't look like it
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Have fun ;D
Im grouting the kitchen tiling :D
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sunday? welcome to my world.
thanks guys
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some you win, some you lose....i would have gone to 300 quid for it neil 8)