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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: bad trippy on March 23, 2009, 08:19:02 pm
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Im still not all that versed with wfp systems, still trying to grasp all the jargon infact, but im thinking on the lines of going wfp in the not to distant future. Ok my question is do i go for a static unit, plenty of room in my shed or van mount? presumably i could pump the pure water from my shed to a tank in the van which presumably would feed a trolley/backpack and also direct??? So folks which system would be best suited for me, by the way just domestic custys and only looking for about 12 hours work between me and the mrs per week
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Definately a static system, (usually) but if you're still unsure how this WFP thing works, e-mail Matt for a link to his DIY site; it used to have (it still probably has) an excellent beginner's guide.
The principles are simple though; purify your water, transport it to your place of work; pump it up to a brush and wash the windows.
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trippy
Will you be using a Ro unit to purify your water, or just Di bottles?
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backpack, and ro, that is all you need,
http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/shop/index.php/Backpacks/Test/Detailed-product-flyer.html
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jouk45 said -
backpack, and ro, that is all you need,
and a pole ;D
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its all in the one link ;D
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backpack, and ro, that is all you need,
http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/shop/index.php/Backpacks/Test/Detailed-product-flyer.html
I would agree packpack if your going to stay at 12 hours as that would not warrant the cost of a full set up, but if your wanting to build a backpack is slow way to do work.
A static tank system if you have the space is the better option, I have a van mount and static, the van mount is not used at all.
Trolley system are some use again I have used this and what a ball ache, changing barrels all the time, not good for your back at all. although the back pack and trolley do have there uses, but for a full time window cleaner make your life easier
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backpack, and ro, that is all you need,
http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/shop/index.php/Backpacks/Test/Detailed-product-flyer.html
I would agree packpack if your going to stay at 12 hours as that would not warrant the cost of a full set up, but if your wanting to build a backpack is slow way to do work.
A static tank system if you have the space is the better option, I have a van mount and static, the van mount is not used at all.
Trolley system are some use again I have used this and what a ball ache, changing barrels all the time, not good for your back at all. although the back pack and trolley do have there uses, but for a full time window cleaner make your life easier
i disagree ian ;D the backpack is as fast as any system out there, part/or full time w/c, i would say in most cases faster than a van mount if organized correctly, only fault is refilling, and i have cracked that, my son does all the filling and refilling of the backpack as i work, he places containers at the next job before i am finished, 7 out of ten custys have a garden tap, at certain points when the water is low my son refills as i carry the di vessel with me, so with team work, it can be faster, but i must admit, when i did it on my own it was very tiring all that lifting pouring then wfp, so the key is get a young guy to do all the hard lab ;D
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trippy
Will you be using a Ro unit to purify your water, or just Di bottles?
Mike to be honest with you i really dont know, i thought you needed both???? As i said mate im a total novice when it comes to wfp, as i understand the di gives the water a final polish???
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backpack, and ro, that is all you need,
http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/shop/index.php/Backpacks/Test/Detailed-product-flyer.html
I would agree packpack if your going to stay at 12 hours as that would not warrant the cost of a full set up, but if your wanting to build a backpack is slow way to do work.
A static tank system if you have the space is the better option, I have a van mount and static, the van mount is not used at all.
Trolley system are some use again I have used this and what a ball ache, changing barrels all the time, not good for your back at all. although the back pack and trolley do have there uses, but for a full time window cleaner make your life easier
i disagree ian ;D the backpack is as fast as any system out there, part/or full time w/c, i would say in most cases faster than a van mount if organized correctly, only fault is refilling, and i have cracked that, my son does all the filling and refilling of the backpack as i work, he places containers at the next job before i am finished, 7 out of ten custys have a garden tap, at certain points when the water is low my son refills as i carry the di vessel with me, so with team work, it can be faster, but i must admit, when i did it on my own it was very tiring all that lifting pouring then wfp, so the key is get a young guy to do all the hard lab ;D
joe 6 houses next to each other 4 bed detached with cons, packpack will last one house, so really a van mount is beter. I do agree a packpack is a good tool as is a trolley I have used a trolley when one of the vans broke down, it was a total nightmare, if I had to do that day in day out I would rather work for Macdonalds, sorry but thats the way I feel, and I am good at planning my rounds for time saving, these on most jobs would cost a whole lot of time and a lot of un needed stress, to me the key is to get a van mount to be honest Joe, I do feel for your son :o
Ian
p.s Joe my tds is 470+ I wish mine was as low as yours :'(
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The di can be expensive if you live in a hard area for water, anything over 100 ish is probably best with a ro to take the water down to a sensible tds for "polishing" , however DI resin is quite capable of instantly taking the tds to 000 but the higher the tds the quicker you use the resin up and at around £60- 70 a pop can be costly!!
The ro is fairly expensive to start with but will recoup it in the money you save from not changing resin every few weeks, it has filters to take out the larger particles through membranes etc and then any small bits left get "polished" through DI making it a very economical set up
So RO is helpful in hard water area... Di only- you could do in soft water area , or when you dont use much water!
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The di can be expensive if you live in a hard area for water, anything over 100 ish is probably best with a ro to take the water down to a sensible tds for "polishing" , however DI resin is quite capable of instantly taking the tds to 000 but the higher the tds the quicker you use the resin up and at around £60- 70 a pop can be costly!!
The ro is fairly expensive to start with but will recoup it in the money you save from not changing resin every few weeks, it has filters to take out the larger particles through membranes etc and then any small bits left get "polished" through DI making it a very economical set up
So RO is helpful in hard water area... Di only- you could do in soft water area , or when you dont use much water!
thats great information sean thank you, i live in a hard water area so what i can gather is my best bet is to RO and DI. just weighing up whats best static or van mount, im guessing 400 litres would feed the two of us for 2 solid days domestic??? How long would it take to pump 400 litres of pure water from a static to a tank in the van?
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The di can be expensive if you live in a hard area for water, anything over 100 ish is probably best with a ro to take the water down to a sensible tds for "polishing" , however DI resin is quite capable of instantly taking the tds to 000 but the higher the tds the quicker you use the resin up and at around £60- 70 a pop can be costly!!
The ro is fairly expensive to start with but will recoup it in the money you save from not changing resin every few weeks, it has filters to take out the larger particles through membranes etc and then any small bits left get "polished" through DI making it a very economical set up
So RO is helpful in hard water area... Di only- you could do in soft water area , or when you dont use much water!
thats great information sean thank you, i live in a hard water area so what i can gather is my best bet is to RO and DI. just weighing up whats best static or van mount, im guessing 400 litres would feed the two of us for 2 solid days domestic??? How long would it take to pump 400 litres of pure water from a static to a tank in the van?
Wickes transfer pump cost less than £40 it will take less than 10 mins to fill quite a bit less.
http://www.wickes.co.uk/Irrigation/Submersible-Water-Pump/invt/189522
if there is a wickes near you , then you can order it for sort pick up saving on postage ;)
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400 litres wouldnt do 2 days of 8 hours i dont think, i stand to be corrected but you might only just get away with one day,
Certainly as someone new to wfp you will over use as you get used to it, you are probably gonna need at least 500 litres a day for two of you
Are you both poling, or is one doing trad in which case you may get away with a bit less each day
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If you have the room, static system is ideal then transfer, otherwise ro can go in van and have plugs on outside to put hose on to fill, and take hose out to take waste water, If you go static, you could stick DI in van for emergencies so you can refill
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400 litres wouldnt do 2 days of 8 hours i dont think, i stand to be corrected but you might only just get away with one day,
Certainly as someone new to wfp you will over use as you get used to it, you are probably gonna need at least 500 litres a day for two of you
Are you both poling, or is one doing trad in which case you may get away with a bit less each day
if they are new cleans then I agree 500l not enough, but if you work local you could always pop back at lunch and refill tank we use over 500 one man per day in new cleans
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400 litres wouldnt do 2 days of 8 hours i dont think, i stand to be corrected but you might only just get away with one day,
Certainly as someone new to wfp you will over use as you get used to it, you are probably gonna need at least 500 litres a day for two of you
Are you both poling, or is one doing trad in which case you may get away with a bit less each day
So then to be on the safe side i think i would be better off getting a 1000 litre set up, havnt a clue how long it would take to fill the van tank from the static tank though??? Are we talking of several hours?
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400 litres wouldnt do 2 days of 8 hours i dont think, i stand to be corrected but you might only just get away with one day,
Certainly as someone new to wfp you will over use as you get used to it, you are probably gonna need at least 500 litres a day for two of you
Are you both poling, or is one doing trad in which case you may get away with a bit less each day
So then to be on the safe side i think i would be better off getting a 1000 litre set up, havnt a clue how long it would take to fill the van tank from the static tank though??? Are we talking of several hours?
are you not reading my posts ?
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1000 litre in the van would need a big van, you are probably best with a 650 litre delivery sytem in the van and fill it each morning and have a 1000 static ibc...
Unless you are gonna get a big van in which case stick a 1000 in :)
You will fill a 1000 litre tank each night from ro di
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LOL @ ian . filling van from static is minutes, dont worry about that its producing the water that is time consuming
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LOL @ ian . filling van from static is minutes, dont worry about that its producing the water that is time consuming
not if you have 4040 on a booster pump you make it quicker than you can use it ;D
even a 300gpd with booster would produce more than he needs.
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400 litres wouldnt do 2 days of 8 hours i dont think, i stand to be corrected but you might only just get away with one day,
Certainly as someone new to wfp you will over use as you get used to it, you are probably gonna need at least 500 litres a day for two of you
Are you both poling, or is one doing trad in which case you may get away with a bit less each day
So then to be on the safe side i think i would be better off getting a 1000 litre set up, havnt a clue how long it would take to fill the van tank from the static tank though??? Are we talking of several hours?
are you not reading my posts ?
sorry mate i overlooked the wickes post, stupid me lol cheers for that mate
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400 litres wouldnt do 2 days of 8 hours i dont think, i stand to be corrected but you might only just get away with one day,
Certainly as someone new to wfp you will over use as you get used to it, you are probably gonna need at least 500 litres a day for two of you
Are you both poling, or is one doing trad in which case you may get away with a bit less each day
So then to be on the safe side i think i would be better off getting a 1000 litre set up, havnt a clue how long it would take to fill the van tank from the static tank though??? Are we talking of several hours?
are you not reading my posts ?
sorry mate i overlooked the wickes post, stupid me lol cheers for that mate
No problem at all, I thought I was going mad for a minute :o
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400 litres wouldnt do 2 days of 8 hours i dont think, i stand to be corrected but you might only just get away with one day,
Certainly as someone new to wfp you will over use as you get used to it, you are probably gonna need at least 500 litres a day for two of you
Are you both poling, or is one doing trad in which case you may get away with a bit less each day
So then to be on the safe side i think i would be better off getting a 1000 litre set up, havnt a clue how long it would take to fill the van tank from the static tank though??? Are we talking of several hours?
are you not reading my posts ?
sorry mate i overlooked the wickes post, stupid me lol cheers for that mate
No problem at all, I thought I was going mad for a minute :o
nothing wrong with being mad Ian, ive been that way no for several years lol
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400 litres wouldnt do 2 days of 8 hours i dont think, i stand to be corrected but you might only just get away with one day,
Certainly as someone new to wfp you will over use as you get used to it, you are probably gonna need at least 500 litres a day for two of you
Are you both poling, or is one doing trad in which case you may get away with a bit less each day
So then to be on the safe side i think i would be better off getting a 1000 litre set up, havnt a clue how long it would take to fill the van tank from the static tank though??? Are we talking of several hours?
are you not reading my posts ?
sorry mate i overlooked the wickes post, stupid me lol cheers for that mate
No problem at all, I thought I was going mad for a minute :o
nothing wrong with being mad Ian, ive been that way no for several years lol
thats what I keep telling the person that keeps talking/whispering to me all the time, yet to see them though ;D
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A big thanks to all you guys that have posted on here, ive learned a lot, have a few more questions but i think i should leave them for another day, dont wanna start being a nuisance to ppl lol