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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Alex Gardiner on March 14, 2009, 01:49:44 pm
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As the title says what is it made of. I have just looked through their new brochure (which is a beautiful piece of work) and it is the only pole in the brochure that does not say which material it uses. I had assumed that it was a carbon fibre pole, but the fact that it does not say and its weight makes me think that it is perhaps a glass/carbon mix like the Fusion. Does anyone have more information about this, perhaps from the show.
Just being nosey really, but it would be interesting to know.
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From a earlier post
The Glyder is a full carbon pole
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Reuben said modulus carbon fibre if my memory serves me right
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heres a letter they sent me day after the show:
"The GLYDER Pole - a completely new 28ft carbon fibre pole that weighs just 2.61kg and is made using only 5ft sections......"
Its possible its a mix though, it would be best to phone them up!
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Thank you all. That has sated my curiosity :)
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LOL Alex it really does sound like your worried about that pole,you don`t sound to worried about the Facelift fusion but the Glyder lol. ;D ;D ;D
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I will view 1 first there`s an ionic shop 1/2 a mile from me.
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There is something nice about the pole, though its heavier than an sl-x, its got a great feel.
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They are doing roadshows starting on March 23rd so they could be near you soon
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I will view 1 first there`s an ionic shop 1/2 a mile from me.
Wheres that shop then NWH
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You can view a list of there roadshow dates here
http://www.ionicsystems.com/english/news.html
scroll down the page
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What are the clamps like?
Simon.
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It look and felt like a very good pole at the show, I squeezed the pole really hard and there was no give in it.
and at £370, for ionics thats a bargain.
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What are the clamps like?
Simon.
nice, they are chunky, ready to take a bashing. But the prototype model on show had slipping clamps, this was apparently down to the compound of the plastic, something that Reuben ( md of ionic ) assured me would be fixed by next week. His brother in law owns the injection moulding company that makes the clamps, so I believe he gets prority!! Reuben explained that the clamps grip the entire circumference of the pole unlike some
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I squeezed the pole really hard and there was no give in it.
me too, it was solid as rock
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It look and felt like a very good pole at the show, I squeezed the pole really hard and there was no give in it.
and at £370, for ionics thats a bargain.
Is that all in ie vat and delivery included or does that add another £100 to the price ???
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You will have to pay for delivery I expect and of course vat, but its still cheaper than most of the compertion, maybe they started to notice that window cleaners do shop around for the keanest prce as well as quality.
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You will have to pay for delivery I expect and of course vat, but its still cheaper than most of the compertion, maybe they started to notice that window cleaners do shop around for the keanest prce as well as quality.
About bang on with the slx then but without the brush?
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Did anyone pick 1 up do they feel a lot heavier than the competition,and what was the length like compared to the SLX.
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I held it extended and closed for about 15mins, its a 26ft pole, and similar to a closed 25ft sl-x, pole was VERY rigid
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Is the clamp lever adjuster on the left or the right of the pole.
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and although it is heavier than an sl-x, it really didn't feel like it was, it felt very um, i don't know what the right word is......balanced
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Is the clamp lever adjuster on the left or the right of the pole.
adjuster? you mean where you tighten it up? it was on the left
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Yes i did mean that,if it`s on the left it would be perfect for fingertip adjusting when it`s extended for lowering it quickly with the thumb.Is the base slim aswell my 24ft Facelift is a perfect width at the base.
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35mm handle diameter, similar to the facelift fusion and sl-x
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I also held it and extended and closed it a few times, the weight felt ok, but I would replace the brush head with one of alex's lightweight one.
The clamps ae released by the right hand, I would perfer the other hand but according Craig to cannot you cannot swap them around.
I don't know what the sl-x is like but if the pole is like the sl2, then I would have to say that the Ionics one felt more ridgit to handle, I do get the feeling that the sl2 will break when I am using it, the Glyder felt more solid.
With a saving of £19.55 (including the vat) I think that Alex has got some real compertition in the Glyder, and with his stock problems I feel that he will lose many customers to ionics because they cannot wait for his stock to arrive.
Ionics also have brought out an anti-snag hose connector which I was impressed with and will be ordering some soon.
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I also held it and extended and closed it a few times, the weight felt ok, but I would replace the brush head with one of alex's lightweight one.
The clamps ae released by the right hand, I would perfer the other hand but according Craig to cannot you cannot swap them around.
I don't know what the sl-x is like but if the pole is like the sl2, then I would have to say that the Ionics one felt more ridgit to handle, I do get the feeling that the sl2 will break when I am using it, the Glyder felt more solid.
With a saving of £19.55 (including the vat) I think that Alex has got some real compertition in the Glyder, and with his stock problems I feel that he will lose many customers to ionics because they cannot wait for his stock to arrive.
Ionics also have brought out an anti-snag hose connector which I was impressed with and will be ordering some soon.
:) It would be competition if the SL-X wasn't 5ft longer, shorter when closed and weighed over 300g lighter. For a lot of our (very patient) clients this alone makes the world of difference.
LOL Alex it really does sound like your worried about that pole,you don`t sound to worried about the Facelift fusion but the Glyder lol. ;D ;D ;D
The Glyder is obviously going to be popular, but I personally would probably go with the Fusion if I didn't have an SL-X
The anti-snag connector is clever, but can you imagine that hitting a window/car. I would rather stick with my Protecta-Ball™, does the same job and is a lot kinder to valuable objects.
I do have to say that they are learning though ;D The thing I need to learn off of them is how to make as much money as they do. :)
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I also held it and extended and closed it a few times, the weight felt ok, but I would replace the brush head with one of alex's lightweight one.
The clamps ae released by the right hand, I would perfer the other hand but according Craig to cannot you cannot swap them around.
I don't know what the sl-x is like but if the pole is like the sl2, then I would have to say that the Ionics one felt more ridgit to handle, I do get the feeling that the sl2 will break when I am using it, the Glyder felt more solid.
With a saving of £19.55 (including the vat) I think that Alex has got some real compertition in the Glyder, and with his stock problems I feel that he will lose many customers to ionics because they cannot wait for his stock to arrive.
Ionics also have brought out an anti-snag hose connector which I was impressed with and will be ordering some soon.
:) It would be competition if the SL-X wasn't 5ft longer, shorter when closed and weighed over 300g lighter. For a lot of our (very patient) clients this alone makes the world of difference.
LOL Alex it really does sound like your worried about that pole,you don`t sound to worried about the Facelift fusion but the Glyder lol. ;D ;D ;D
The Glyder is obviously going to be popular, but I personally would probably go with the Fusion if I didn't have an SL-X
The anti-snag connector is clever, but can you imagine that hitting a window/car. I would rather stick with my Protecta-Ball™, does the same job and is a lot kinder to valuable objects.
I do have to say that they are learning though ;D The thing I need to learn off of them is how to make as much money as they do. :)
Have stock always in your warehouse. ;D
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The customer service that Gardiners supply is by far superior to ionic,i know for a fact that if i have a problem with anything they send me they will replace it the next day or whenever possible.When you talk to Gardiners they actually sound like they care and try there hardest to help,with ionic your lucky if they return your calls.I think i`ll stick with the supplier i trust.
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Have stock always in your warehouse. ;D
Top tip ;D
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So I take it then the clamps are levers on the side like the old universal poles. If that is the case I'd be a little disappointed. To even come close to the slx it would have to be extremely good.
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The Glyder cant really be compared to the latest sl-x, as its longer, shorter closed, and lighter, but in its own right, i think its great, and so is the fusion
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The customer service that Gardiners supply is by far superior to ionic,i know for a fact that if i have a problem with anything they send me they will replace it the next day or whenever possible.When you talk to Gardiners they actually sound like they care and try there hardest to help,with ionic your lucky if they return your calls.I think i`ll stick with the supplier i trust.
Same here, I never ever have to worry.
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You can view a list of there roadshow dates here
http://www.ionicsystems.com/english/news.html
scroll down the page
why is there no dates between Sheffield and edinburgh do they think us n.e boys can't afford one?
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I think if you look again they are coming to Newcastle on Monday 23rd April ;)
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Hi Guys
Nice to hear the good reviews of the new Fusion poles. We are very excited about them.
Just to make everyone aware that the fusion is available in 3 sizes 25ft, 30ft and 35ft.
Check out the web site in the next few days for exact weights of the new poles.
They are now availble for pre order.
Russ
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I can`t see a lot of people being intersted in the Fusion to be honest if it`s a glass carbon mix it will be heavier than the 24ft carbon that you do already,you would have been better off reducing the price of the carbon poles and sold more of them.The Facelift carbon i have is a great great pole but the fiberglass facelift i have isn`t at all,they are miles apart in quality i`m afraid to say.I just hope the new Fusion is better than the Xtel Hybrid poles because they are the worst pole i`ve ever used out of all of them,some sites give a comparison with the 24ft Facelift carbon and it couldn`t be more further from the truth comparing it to the Hybrid pole of the same length,IMO the Hybrid pole gets absolutley knowhere near the Facelift on rigidity quality and weight it`s no different the a run of the mill Xtel.
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I just hope the new Fusion is better than the Xtel Hybrid poles because they are the worst pole i`ve ever used out of all of them
the fusion is a completely different pole, i agree the xtel hybrid is rubbish, this is a different finish and feel
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Forget the finish the pole must do it`s job well,Hybrid poles are cheap as chips and don`t last 5 minutes.
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NWH
I'm glad you like your 24 carbon. And i agree with you that trying to imitate a hybrid would be a waste of time.
I think you are going to have to put the fusion in your hands to make a comparison between the fusion, the hybrid, glyder or slx.
The hybrid from extel is not what we have tried to imitate, copy or compete with.
The Fusion is a far better quality pole, more along the lines of the present carbon range. they are light rigid and durable. And don't forget that you can add and take away sections to make the pole any size from 5 ft to 35ft.
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Forget the finish the pole must do it`s job well,Hybrid poles are cheap as chips and don`t last 5 minutes.
this is a big point, its made completely differently to the hybrid, a different finish, its feels and looks much tougher
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Here is a pic for anyone who has`nt see it yet ;)
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They say it is the lightest in the world which is completely inaccurate as the SL-X is!
Also, it never inspires confidence in the rigidity of a product when they advise not using the top section for most work.
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They say it is the lightest in the world which is completely inaccurate as the SL-X is!
Also, it never inspires confidence in the rigidity of a product when they advise not using the top section for most work.
Yeah, & make the tip twice as heavy! top advise! ;D plonkers
Tony
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Only use the thinnest section when needed. What an absolutely shockingly bad tip. What do you do if you get it up and then realize you need it. DOH.
Simon.
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what is that a page from?
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When you extend the pole at the tip it somehow makes the pole feel lighter and easier to use,sounds to me like they think it`ll snapped.
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doubt very much it would snap , it felt as tough as an sl-x
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Ionic poles are so much heavier at the bottom (base).
Why would anyone in their right mind want to buy a pole with a caution to use the top (lightest section), only as a last resort, (to maximise the rigidity of the pole). That's like buying a sports car and being advised to treat it like the family car, where's the fun of buying one.
I use SL-X and SL-2 poles because I know they are tried & tested by a window cleaner developing products to sell on to other window cleaners who live in the real world.
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Ionics haven't changed one iota. :-\
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the glyder looks pretty good on their video www.ionicsystems.com, has anyone got one yet?
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Looks a little whippy to me for carbon? Chunky clamps.
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Looks a little whippy to me for carbon? Chunky clamps.
Yea looks more whippy then an SL-X, the clamps are so chunky, it's just silly.
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I have just had a look at the video of their 72ft pole (68ft actual) in use. Take a look at how the operator extends the brush head along the pavement before lifting. Surely this cannot be Ionic's recommended cleaning technique.
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I have just had a look at the video of their 72ft pole (68ft actual) in use. Take a look at how the operator extends the brush head along the pavement before lifting. Surely this cannot be Ionic's recommended cleaning technique.
Alex it's worse than that its the E2 65 that he extends the pole along the pavement (hope the road sweeper had been round ;D ), the one with the 6ft sections they dont bother to show you how the guy extends the 72 footer with it's 8 ft sections ::) LOL
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My concern would be the muck on the brush. You could do the same technique, but rest the gooseneck on the ground (scratch it up a bit) with the bristles up.
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I have just had a look at the video of their 72ft pole (68ft actual) in use. Take a look at how the operator extends the brush head along the pavement before lifting. Surely this cannot be Ionic's recommended cleaning technique.
Alex it's worse than that its the E2 65 that he extends the pole along the pavement (hope the road sweeper had been round ;D ), the one with the 6ft sections they dont bother to show you how the guy extends the 72 footer with it's 8 ft sections ::) LOL
Good heavens :o
I can't believe you people are so devoid of innovation.
The solution is perfectly obvious to me, all you need to do is carry a six foot step ladder around with you ::)
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My concern would be the muck on the brush. You could do the same technique, but rest the gooseneck on the ground (scratch it up a bit) with the bristles up.
I agree, i thought the technique was to walk the pole up, not contaminate the brush with all sorts of debris. Wouldn't a small 1" double castor fixed to the back of the gooseneck be the solution to rolling the gooseneck down along the ground, rather than grinding it down!
As for how the operator lifting the pole like that, i'm sure his back won't last very long! Yes it may demonstrate the rigidity/weight of pole but that's it.
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Looks a little whippy to me for carbon? Chunky clamps.
Yea looks more whippy then an SL-X, the clamps are so chunky, it's just silly.
your forgetting the brush on it weighs much more than the sl brush, id say the sl-x is slightly stiffer, but onlt by a tiny amount
And those c****y clamps, thats what impressed me, they are great for getting bashed about a bit
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Looks a little whippy to me for carbon? Chunky clamps.
Yea looks more whippy then an SL-X, the clamps are so chunky, it's just silly.
your forgetting the brush on it weighs much more than the sl brush, id say the sl-x is slightly stiffer, but onlt by a tiny amount
And those c****y clamps, thats what impressed me, they are great for getting bashed about a bit
I used that brush on my SL-X too, but even then I think the SL-X is stiffer. Maybe slightly, I must admit, but still. The SL-X clamps can take a beating too, I've dropped it several times, not much of a problem. :)