Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: aquakadabra on March 05, 2009, 10:34:46 am
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has anyone bought one of these poles and if so how good are they
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yes got 2 l.the lads say they are exelent,can work with the 60ft all day no problem
because of the weight,would recamend to everyone kev
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I have a 45ft emp pole and working all day is easy, can't fault it ;D
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The emp is the lightest pole in the world.Apparently not the strongest but strong enpough for the world curent record of 88ft.
ps its good for 100ft if you know how. ;)
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The emp is the lightest pole in the world.Apparently not the strongest but strong enpough for the world curent record of 88ft.
ps its good for 100ft if you know how. ;)
Jeff - I thought you had some of your own (non-Emporium) sections in the 88ft pole or do I mis-remember your post?
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Your right I was holding the pole up above my chest -But with one hand and decided to stick another section on to make it comfortable, so as I had run out of emp sections I used an 'inferior' F16 section at the base.
But however it was done the emp was at 88ft height and has a design height and capability of 100ft and as you know is still the "lightest pole in the world"
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The companys for sale.
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The companys for sale.
Yes I saw that on another post here, do you mean was or is for sale ?
ps. I reckon I could get an F16 or an sl2 to 100ft.
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The companys for sale.
Yes I saw that on another post here, do you mean was or is for sale ?
ps. I reckon I could get an F16 or an sl2 to 100ft.
hi jeff
got my rt muscle zone up to 40 ft yesterday ;D
with a few sections of my emporium and another pole
bit bendy but just workable :o
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I well getting and remeber working an Unger alu telepole at 44ft ish- never again with c/f :D
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The companys for sale.
£15,000 gets you the goodwill, unfortunately not the exclusive rights to the pole as I know that the makers of the pole have offered it for sale to others who have enquired (not me!).
Jeff - I'm sure you could get an SL2 to 100ft but I don't think I'd want to! :D
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Unless it was a wind free day.
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Jeff - I'm sure you could get an SL2 to 100ft but I don't think I'd want to! :D
Unless it was a wind free day.
You dont have enough information, you need to see the pole.
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Emporium poles now have their new 17ft pole on their website
thomasjames
Here you go:
(http://www.emporiumpoles.co.uk/images/www.emporiumpoles.co.uk/products/bulldog3.JPG.jpg)
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That doesn't half look like a Harris pole. :-\
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Lol my god there struggling arn`t they,and Jeff i know what i`m on about i`ve had 1 of there fishing rods and at the end of the day that`s what it is.That is a harris pole with the end adapted to take a standard angle adapter nothing more.
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looks like a harris to me £14.99 in b&Q
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you only need a plastic goose neck and a bit of tape no unger
adapters or anything else to adapt a harris so why pay £30 for one
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well after reading this thread ive been on their web site a bought the bull dog pole then over to alex for the superlight flocked brush, so by mid week next week i will know if its any good, on face value it seems perfect for staff to use and that is very light. I will let you know what i think once ive had a go. I fits no good then its not alot down the drain is it.
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Lol my god there struggling arn`t they,and Jeff i know what i`m on about i`ve had 1 of there fishing rods and at the end of the day that`s what it is.That is a harris pole with the end adapted to take a standard angle adapter nothing more.
a 17ft pole at £30 is that not what the industry is looking for,a pole that can be given out to staff who dont give a dam about your kit,I recon he will sell hundreds of these poles,guys will buy then even if it is just for backup to their present poles.new starts will buy them also as this is the cheapest pole out there at the moment.This maybe push other suppliers to reduce their prices
Even if they do sell a hundred of these a year, they do not really make financial sense for him to do so. In fact I reckon he will help lower the value of his business in doing so and tie-up resources in an almost profitless enterprise.
B&Q probably sell 10,000 Harris poles a year at a mark-up of about £8.00 this gives them profit of about £80,000. They do not have to individually wrap, label, and post them one at a time - their customers come in and pick one out of the stand and take it away.
If Emporium sell 100 a year at a mark-up of about £15 a piece then they will have made about £1500 in the year. However the cost of someone's time to individually send out to each customer, man the phones/website for each sale, etc, would cost a firm a lot more than this.
Selling decorators poles at a higher price than B&Q is not going to encourage any other WFP supplier to sell cheaper-type poles. What is the point, if people want low-tech cheap equipment they can go to B&Q and save even more money.
well after reading this thread ive been on their web site a bought the bull dog pole then over to alex for the superlight flocked brush, so by mid week next week i will know if its any good, on face value it seems perfect for staff to use and that is very light. I will let you know what i think once ive had a go. I fits no good then its not alot down the drain is it.
well thats it lee,staff dont give a sh&t about your gear,if only the rest of the equipment could come cheap enough as well
you used to be able to put a guy out with a bucket set of pockets sweegee tools etc and ladders,cost was really low
along with a cost efficient small van.
Now it is vivaro size with extra running cost,full water tank systems and constant running costs with poles, resin etc to do the same work you did before.Ok some time is saved and safety is an issue,this is why we do it
but the diy boys have brought wfp to a reasonable cost,I wonder how many guys would have hung back if they had to pay ionic prices.If a guy comes out with cheap poles then it can only be good for all.
I do agree that this type of equipment has its appeal (as the hundreds of Harris pole users will attest to), but as to progressing the job at all it has no appeal. I personally try and give any staff I employ the best equipment available to enable them to to do the best most efficient job for me - therefore earning me more money. Staff will soon pick up on the fact that you feel they are only worth a £30 tool investment and will give you a return on your investment equal to this.
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his pole is professionally finished with fixed top with screw end for all types of brushes and all types of goosenecks
not hanging together with gaffer tape.
who said anything about it hanging together with gaffer tape :D
my pole looks just as professional add some blue heatshrink and my
pole looks the same apart from having emporium all over it.
why would i pay an extra £10 plus postage for that ;D ::)
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his pole is professionally finished with fixed top with screw end for all types of brushes and all types of goosenecks
not hanging together with gaffer tape.
Will it take an Unger adjustable elbow ?
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There is know way in a million years id by this item just through shear greed of them obviously reading on this and other forums and then getting a B&Q pole and making it look like there own, if i did want a harris pole which i wouldnt after seeing one id rather go to B&Q and make my own like many others on this forum even if it cost me a little more.
Think emporium must be very desperate and finding ways of making money cheaply.
Chris
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i have got to admit i wouldnt buy one but to me it does appear that most wfp equipment does have a huge mark up for instance i have just bought a new extendable A ladder it has about 20 aluminium rungs all cut and fitted into the wood styles with tie rods under each it has rubber feet and rubber block at top and the wood is treated it cost £210 including postage and obviously took a fair bit of time and expensive machinery to put together, if i was to also buy a xtel 24ft pole which has4 pieces of carbon fibre 3 cheap plastic clamps and a plastic goosneck a brush, bit of plastic hose and a connector i dont know what the materials cost but looks very little compared to ladder and i reckon one person could knock one together with his own tools in half an hours time it would cost about £300 like i say i dont know what the actual costs are but when you look at what it actually consists of you cant help but wonder where the cost comes from.
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There definitely seems to be a huge mark up on wfp brushes. For the priviledge of having them jetted and a Y piece of hose fitted the price goes up a few hundred percent.
Alex admits his sl brushes cost very little to manufacture but they sell around £30 plus VAT. (I think he posted 57p once, not sure if he was joking but probably not so far off)
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harris pole...15 quid from b&q......... angle adapter....3 quid from just about anywhere............10 metres tubing.....£ 2 quid........thats roughly 20 quid compared to the 30 quid or so you need to give alan for his.........but then you need to put it all together, drill some holes in the right places, and make it look as professional as the bulldog looks.....i reckon you will need to spend an hour or two doing that, my hourly rate is £20 minimum so the true cost shoots way up on that basis,but its up to you. ;)
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There definitely seems to be a huge mark up on wfp brushes. For the priviledge of having them jetted and a Y piece of hose fitted the price goes up a few hundred percent.
Alex admits his sl brushes cost very little to manufacture but they sell around £30 plus VAT. (I think he posted 57p once, not sure if he was joking but probably not so far off)
i agree with you mate before water fed pole was invented you could buy and still can a sill brush on a small alluminum pole for ten quid from any car shop , now the brushes are used for cleaning glass they shoot up to £20 for the brush on its own ,but then its down to the mugs that buy them suppliers wont cut their prices if they keep selling.
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the bulldog pole is actually slightly longer than the harris
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How much do you want for twenty minutes work? What i mean is Alex has to pay someone to drill and jet a brush and fit the y part. Someone also had to pay for the r&d to get the brush manufactured in the first place so it's unlikely to cost £1.50 like the Bentley brush from Asda. I think they are good value to be honest it's the postage that bugs me but thats probably out of Gardiners control as is the vat.
Try and find a Vikan sill brush from a car shop cheaper than the wfp suppliers.
To answer Trevors post: since when has carbon been cheap? Try to buy carbon anything and it costs a fortune - i had a carbon surf kayak £1500, a carbon racing bike £1800, carbon kayak paddles £200+
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How much do you want for twenty minutes work? What i mean is Alex has to pay someone to drill and jet a brush and fit the y part. Someone also had to pay for the r&d to get the brush manufactured in the first place so it's unlikely to cost £1.50 like the Bentley brush from Asda. I think they are good value to be honest it's the postage that bugs me but thats probably out of Gardiners control as is the vat.
Try and find a Vikan sill brush from a car valeters cheaper than the wfp suppliers.
To answer Trevors post: since when has carbon been cheap? Try to buy carbon anything and it costs a fortune - i had a carbon surf kayak £1500, a carbon racing bike £1800, carbon kayak paddles £200+
point taken, like i say i have never looked into the costs of the materials so you are probably right if i wasnt so busy with my cleaning business then it is probably something i would look at and like you said there are overheads to be taken into consideration such as premises and staff etc.
i already have premises with a large workshop i think if cleaning side of business did slow down it would be something that i would seriously look into though.
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There definitely seems to be a huge mark up on wfp brushes. For the priviledge of having them jetted and a Y piece of hose fitted the price goes up a few hundred percent.
Alex admits his sl brushes cost very little to manufacture but they sell around £30 plus VAT. (I think he posted 57p once, not sure if he was joking but probably not so far off)
What a load of rubbish :D! The Super-Lite brush is one of the most expensive brushes to have manufactured and costs us a lot more than any of the Vikan brushes. If I did post 57p as the cost, it will be with an extremely large tongue in cheek.
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There definitely seems to be a huge mark up on wfp brushes. For the priviledge of having them jetted and a Y piece of hose fitted the price goes up a few hundred percent.
Alex admits his sl brushes cost very little to manufacture but they sell around £30 plus VAT. (I think he posted 57p once, not sure if he was joking but probably not so far off)
What a load of rubbish :D! The Super-Lite brush is one of the most expensive brushes to have manufactured and costs us a lot more than any of the Vikan brushes. If I did post 57p as the cost, it will be with an extremely large tongue in cheek.
thanks for clarifying that alex i nearly choked on my brew and called you some unsavoury names when 57p was posted ;D ;D
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his pole is professionally finished with fixed top with screw end for all types of brushes and all types of goosenecks
not hanging together with gaffer tape.
who said anything about it hanging together with gaffer tape :D
my pole looks just as professional add some blue heatshrink and my
pole looks the same apart from having emporium all over it.
why would i pay an extra £10 plus postage for that ;D ::)
That pole isn’t for professional use, unless maybe you are a decorator. ::)
Why not try a cut down broomstick for the ground floors. ;D
oh dear :-\ you do need help
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with the bulldog, does the tubing not go through the pole? does it just hang along side it?
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Either. :)
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thanks
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You need to lighten up :D
lighten up eh!!
maybe i could be as bright as you...say around 40watt ;D
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The reason why there slow brining out products is because they havn`t had many to copy lately,the guy that owns the company has a good friend that comes on a lot of forums on a regular basis and gives him ideas and that`s a fact cos i`ve spoken to him.
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thats enough children its bed time, up early for school in the morning, now get upstairs now before i take my slipper to you ( i was just having a flashback there :'()
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Have a 60ft bought a couple of weeks ago , just brilliant, he done mine in alternate red and white markings for me as i had an nhs contract that required h&s rules
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Bertola,
I'm always a little bit suspect when someone joins the forum and posts off straight away how good some window cleaning product is.
I've seen it before where a supplier pretends to be a 'happy customer', but they're either someone to do with the supplier; or the suppliers themselves; and they generally get caught out.
So, at present you've got two posts; and both are saying how good Emporium is; and you've posted nothing else before?
Now I think Emporium is a good supplier; I've not heard anything derogatory about them; so don't undermine them by posting false adverts; unless of course you're a genuine poster; and if you are I apologise for insinuating stuff.
But only time and your future posts will tell.
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I think his real name is Jinky.
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I think his real name is Jinky.
That means nothing to me? I take it he's nothing to do with Emporium and is really just a happy customer?
If so, you have my apologies, Bertola/Jinky.
It just narks me when I think a supplier is taking the 'mick' out of us. We've had them before, asking innocent questions; members taking the time to answer them; and at the end of the day it's all a con; they just wanted to 'big up' their product.
As I say, I apologise if I'm wrong.
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I think his real name is Jinky.
That means nothing to me? I take it he's nothing to do with Emporium and is really just a happy customer?
If so, you have my apologies, Bertola/Jinky.
It just narks me when I think a supplier is taking the 'mick' out of us. We've had them before, asking innocent questions; members taking the time to answer them; and at the end of the day it's all a con; they just wanted to 'big up' their product.
As I say, I apologise if I'm wrong.
*thomas james is Jinky. Bertola must be a different chap.
guys i have been reading this post with interest and cant believe some of the replies from some of the guys who have not even seen his new bulldog in person
This guy brings a product to the market place,at a cost that fits all window cleaners pockets and people try to shoot him down,this i dont understand.
Even alex as a supplier critisied him not making enough profit from the pole,really I did not expect this from alex,this guy is not a threat to alex,he is simply selling a few poles,and if he only makes tuppence a pole then that is his choice.Weather it is a good pole or a bad pole is not the point ,the fact the guy is producing products to suit the guy in the street,at prices reflecting a recession period at the moment.Then I can only say
we should be taking our hat off to him
thomasjames
My comments were not a criticism of this particular product, just that from a business point of view they did not make sense for him. They still do not make any sense.
Why wouldn't you expect criticism of Emporium from me? You probably know better than anyone else the 'history' of how Emporium started in this business.
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ps alex you know me and i am on this forum under this name and no other so maybe these other guys would like an apology from you ?
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