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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: colley614 on February 13, 2009, 07:53:12 pm
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Hi Guys,
Been thinking about my advertising for this year and I've ordered 20,000 leaflets for £300. Which is good for me because I've got about 7 odd days on my round to make up. i.e. one day one week, two the next week sort of thing.
I've been thinking leafleting for my work and maybe an ad in the yellow pages as I was getting about a phone call a week from that last time and that'll do me advertising wise this year.
And there you go!
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How long does it take to deliver to 20,000 houses?
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watch out for colly, i intended on subbing work to him only a small job but he said he couldnt do it but iv had it from a good source he does this job, i tried ti be nice and he took advantage nice bloke. :)
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Well I'm not too sure some people tell me they can post 10,000 in a week. I've done about 1,000 this week in about 2-3 between jobs. I think its a good idea for learning all the little corners and side streets. I found 11 new shops the other day that nobody does. I've picked most of them up weekly and a waiting on an answer for another couple.
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watch out for colly, i intended on subbing work to him only a small job but he said he couldnt do it but iv had it from a good source he does this job, i tried ti be nice and he took advantage nice bloke. :)
Are you saying that you sub-contracted a job out to Colley and he ended up 'poaching' it from you?
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watch out for colly, i intended on subbing work to him only a small job but he said he couldnt do it but iv had it from a good source he does this job, i tried ti be nice and he took advantage nice bloke. :)
are you being serious?
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How long does it take to deliver to 20,000 houses?
I ordered 5000 leaflets last year and still have 4500 in my office! ;D
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10,000 in a week good luck, i had 10,000 done 7 months ago and have about 1000 left,
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you have no chance to do it in a week takes longer than you think and boring!
plus your knakkerd after a few hours
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10,000 in a week good luck, i had 10,000 done 7 months ago and have about 1000 left,
yeah that is the time scale I was thinking of. that 10,000 in a week I read on here last year.
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yes a small bank in st helens, i arranged for you to do gave your details and you then said you couldnt do it after the first time.you had a bad fall or something
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As a rule of thumb, in an compact estate, it'll take you one-hour to push 100 leaflets through their letter boxes.
You can find guys who'll deliver them for you, along with other leaflets, for around £5.00 per hundred leaflets.
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yes a small bank in st helens, i arranged for you to do gave your details and you then said you couldnt do it after the first time.you had a bad fall or something
The Bank in St. Helen's it took me an hour to get there and same to get back. To be honest mate I went bust on 28th may last year and am only just starting again now. Didn't really want people knowing my private details but would rather people knew that that thought I was a thief. You have an email with all my contact details if you wish to discuss this matter.
But I assure you its not a job that I am doing.
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colley the bank said they were dealing with you direct, you stopped posting so i guessed it was true.
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Colley,
Delete your last post; no-one need to know your private stuff! If you did poach an account that was sub-contracted, then so what? All's fair in love and war (in accordance with the Geneva Conventions obviously when it comes to war); business too!
Ronnie should know better than to air grevances on this forum.
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But Tosh I never so I don't mind. I have nothing to hide and to be fair I think it was fair of what Ronnie said if I thought somebody was pinching my work I'd be upset.
I just hope that you guys believe me.
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Colley,
Stop being a fanny; if you 'nicked' someone elses work - particularly if it's a good job - then good on you; as long as it wasn't done purely on price.
Maybe Ronnie was too ugly? Who knows? What I do know is that 99% of the time it's the 'person' a customer buys; not the service.
Crikey, we use a plumber who really overcharges us; but we like him, he does a good job; so we pay!
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I dont rate leafleting at all. we had 120,000 done through royal mail last year at a cost of £7000 and didnt even get half of the modest figure we predicted. However i do think that many for £300 is a very good price. I think door knocking is a much better way to spend your time. but as you have them now try to find a teenager to join you for some pocket money and cover the area twicw as fast.
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tosh you obviuosly dont understand what subby means, it means trusting to do the work usually cause they need more work, trusting them to do a good job and understand its this persons work.
Maybe the person subbing out the work is to busy or maybe its a little out of the area, but it would be wrong to go on and take this work from him.
colly maybe she had it wrong, it was i job i couldnt do all though it was worth £80 every 4 weeks, and i wouldnt of been able to do it either.
tosh why stick your noise in to something doesnt concern you and try to stoke up a fire, crawl back under tyour shell for once. :)
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Ronnie,
I've been a 'subby', and what it meant to me was working hard for little money!
If you're going to sub work out then there's a risk that your 'subby' is going to poach it! There's no law against it, I don't think it's morally wrong; it's just business.
Risk and return go hand-in-hand as they say. You hope to get a return for doing little, but the risk is that you could lose the job.
Life sometimes isn't fair!
I like sticking my nose in too! ;D
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has usual you cant help your self, maybe you be the business coach no2 you know so much and are so opinionated always right you could make all our businesses multi million pound ones.
so i guess im wrong and your right end of story....
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Ah, c'mon Ronnie, I'm only winding you up mate; you're just too easy. Since Squeaky has stopped 'chomping' at my digs at him you're second best.
But I still stand by what I say with regards to losing work to sub-contractors. It's a risk you've got to be prepared to take if you sub work out and if they're hungry for it, and if they've got a bit of nouce about them, they will try.
I know I did!
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wrong in my opionion you trust this person and eeven maybe help them work through tough times, there is to be some morals in life and business and i can say i wouldnt do it.
if some one was to sub to me and i was happy with the amount and they was happy with there cut then why back stab this man, its below the belt and wrong.
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Ronnie,
You talk about having morals, but you're the one that's been to prison for physically assaulting someone; not me.
Okay, I admit I've been to jail too, but my time in nick was because I went AWOL to join the French Foriegn Legion; there's a big difference!
Back in the mo; the Long-haired-Sergeant-Major is beckoning me... >:(
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Back to the post
Where did you get your leaflets from
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Anyway back to the top I got them from a local business firm that's helping me get set up.
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for self defence but i guess your always right hey ;)
judge me i dont really care what you think its not worth worry about, have a good night ;)
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for self defence but i guess your always right hey ;)
judge me i dont really care what you think its not worth worry about, have a good night ;)
You said you 'smacked him 'cos he was an arrogant prick like me'?
Are you telling fibs again, Ronnie?
;D
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must be the truth hey cause you say so, for the record he was a rrogant also a bully thought he was always right tried to put peole down sound like any one mmmmmmmmmm
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Ronnie, please stop replying to my 'bait'; you're making me laugh out loud... please stop!
Honest! Enough! Have a nice weekend; talk about something else!
I like you; really I do; but no more. I just know when I post a 'worm' to you, you've gotta bite it. But enough!
STOP!
;D
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your right as always ;)
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;D
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I dont rate leafleting at all. we had 120,000 done through royal mail last year at a cost of £7000 and didnt even get half of the modest figure we predicted. However i do think that many for £300 is a very good price. I think door knocking is a much better way to spend your time. but as you have them now try to find a teenager to join you for some pocket money and cover the area twicw as fast.
I agree in my area (and I do think this may be different for different areas) leaflets havent got me nothing ( well almost) Ive had 15,000 done in batches of 5,000 with a different formal on each, ive delivered about half in equal measures and Ive come to the conclusion that for me, its just not worth it, you can't beat door knocking and recomendaions. I have just had printed recommend a friend vouchers and I think these will work for me. I will definately waste no more money and effort in leaflets. however as Ive stated this is my area, if your thinking of leafleting test your own area out - you might do ok.
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just out of interest what sort of success were you getting per 1000?
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0-1 sometimes 2-3 months later.
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out of the 1000 I posted last week I got 1 job. was hoping for the 5% rule people mention. Doesn't look like I will though, Even if I got 20 semi's from 20,000 leaflets I wouldn't mind. I spent £1000 on the BT phone book and haven't had one phone call since June.
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out of the 1000 I posted last week I got 1 job. was hoping for the 5% rule people mention. Doesn't look like I will though, Even if I got 20 semi's from 20,000 leaflets I wouldn't mind. I spent £1000 on the BT phone book and haven't had one phone call since June.
who told you 5% rule ?, because to be honest they are talking out of there backside, you will be doing well on 1% anything over is great, you have to also remember a leflet is not something that will get customers over night, weeks and months will pass and you will get calls, you have sowed and you will reep, not great but it will happen. that is unless your leafelt is bad then that would go out the window.
Ian
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I agree with you on that ian. I was hoping for one job per thousand. I was thinking of picking 4 areas and just keep canvassing them on a 4 weekly cycle rather than 20,000 different addresses so then I'm building up a brand in them areas.
Even if I did get 1 job per thousand it would still be 20 semi's at least. Hopefully just from first cleans I would make my £300 back. If not I've learned a good lesson
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I agree with you on that ian. I was hoping for one job per thousand. I was thinking of picking 4 areas and just keep canvassing them on a 4 weekly cycle rather than 20,000 different addresses so then I'm building up a brand in them areas.
Even if I did get 1 job per thousand it would still be 20 semi's at least. Hopefully just from first cleans I would make my £300 back. If not I've learned a good lesson
4 £10 customers would pay for them in a year, think of it that way. ;)
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Yeah plus that suns getting ready to come out now. I'd rather be out with a hand full of leaflets than sat by the telephone sulking.
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Yeah plus that suns getting ready to come out now. I'd rather be out with a hand full of leaflets than sat by the telephone sulking.
Your website is still not working :o
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I know its really annoying me. I spoke to the website designers the other day and he said my hosting was down so I paid him and I'm still waiting. I'm going to go in and moan again on Monday because the leaflets I distributed have the addy on them.
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You just cant beat door knocking and recomendations though
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You just cant beat door knocking and recomendations though
I agree referrals are by far the best way to pick up new work. Door knocking is also a great way to pick up work but I really didn't enjoy it myself. I find that if you leaflet then you van turns up in the area then you phone starts
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As a rule of thumb, in an compact estate, it'll take you one-hour to push 100 leaflets through their letter boxes.
You can find guys who'll deliver them for you, along with other leaflets, for around £5.00 per hundred leaflets.
ive had someone do it for £30 per 1000.
One guy has even said £20 per 1000!
Bargain in my opinion
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Ive got a girl at the moment delivering £20 pe 1000 - bargain I agree. Perhaps the leaflets will start kicking in once Februarys out of the way. I think when it gets to March/April people start thinking about the appearance of their homes more. I dont like door knowcking either, trouble is I talk too much and just will not give up, still I get a good persentage of those I manage to speak to ha! ha!
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I had 10000 leaflets printed (and delivered ;D )
and I have done very well from them. Leaflet reply custys are far more reliable than door knocker custys.
I reckon each leaflet delivered when including recommends , the next door neighbour watching you clean, relatives etc, domestic self employed customers with commercial premises as well (I have had 3 of these, not all big but OK) for u to clean as well, is worth a good amount.You can break it down to so much a delivererd leaflet earnings p.a.
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I know its really annoying me. I spoke to the website designers the other day and he said my hosting was down so I paid him and I'm still waiting. I'm going to go in and moan again on Monday because the leaflets I distributed have the addy on them.
if you still get the problem transfer it to my hosting, I will not let you down ;)
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As a rule of thumb, in an compact estate, it'll take you one-hour to push 100 leaflets through their letter boxes.
You can find guys who'll deliver them for you, along with other leaflets, for around £5.00 per hundred leaflets.
ive had someone do it for £30 per 1000.
One guy has even said £20 per 1000!
Bargain in my opinion
I paid £35 per 1000, but that works out at about 3.50 an hour, so not bad :)
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As a rule of thumb, in an compact estate, it'll take you one-hour to push 100 leaflets through their letter boxes.
You can find guys who'll deliver them for you, along with other leaflets, for around £5.00 per hundred leaflets.
ive had someone do it for £30 per 1000.
One guy has even said £20 per 1000!
Bargain in my opinion
i think you will find they deliver so many get fed up and bin the rest
The people i used gave me a receipt and a list of streets that they were delivered to. but i only had 1000 delivered.
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I know its really annoying me. I spoke to the website designers the other day and he said my hosting was down so I paid him and I'm still waiting. I'm going to go in and moan again on Monday because the leaflets I distributed have the addy on them.
if you still get the problem transfer it to my hosting, I will not let you down ;)
I will do Ian
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Seriously guys, I keep banging the drum of the 'put in window' style leaflet, it is just so much better than the 'ring me when you can be bothered' leaflet. I have had about 14000 delivered in my area and have had 300 customers from it. I have lost 100 in the last year so all told 14000 got me 400 which is about 3 in 100. 6 hours leafletting in january has got me 21 new customers so far.
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Leaflets can result in calls years later. I tried branching out into gardening, well more precisely grass cutting, a few years ago. It wasn't the greatest success but in the process I had a few thousand leaflets printed and delivered.
Those leaflets resulted in phone calls for years and some of them miles away from where I delivered them.
I have always favoured leaflets, you can have a blitz and deliver many hundreds in a day. If you keep delivering you have to get the business you want.
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My whole business has been built leaflets.
This year i will be having 60 - 100k going out for windows and conservatory cleaning. You have to look at the big picture.
My minimum is £12.50....If i get a response of 0.125%, which has been my worse its paid WELL!!
Do your maths....0.125% of 20,000 = 25
25 x 12.5 = 312.5 x 13 cleans per year = £4062.
That has cost me £797 to get that work!!!
Plus more will come in over the months.
Compare that next to yell.com yellow pages etc.
Horses for courses, but works for me!!!
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do you repeat areas, theres 44,000 propertys in my area but id say id only want my leaflet to drop on about 15,000 of those propertys, so i go out my area 20 mile radius and do certain areas, id say ill repear areas every 3 months and maybe with a different design leaflet.
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The best way to do leaflets in my opinion is deliver them then the week after knock the doors where you've posted them. This way custie will remember having had the leaflet plus they'll see the face thats providing the service. Then its a case of whether your face fits or not if you get the business or not.
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Seriously guys, I keep banging the drum of the 'put in window' style leaflet, it is just so much better than the 'ring me when you can be bothered' leaflet. I have had about 14000 delivered in my area and have had 300 customers from it. I have lost 100 in the last year so all told 14000 got me 400 which is about 3 in 100. 6 hours leafletting in january has got me 21 new customers so far.
I also use this type of leaflet and i get a good return on it.
I don't mass leaflet though, i cherry pick clusters or single properties in rural areas. But i have normally got 10%+ returns.
I have also used another leaflet which didn't say 'leave in window' and this was more 1% return, if that.
Much easier for them to leave it in the window. I also headline my leaflet using red type because it is easier to spot when driving past in the van. ;D
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Seriously guys, I keep banging the drum of the 'put in window' style leaflet, it is just so much better than the 'ring me when you can be bothered' leaflet. I have had about 14000 delivered in my area and have had 300 customers from it. I have lost 100 in the last year so all told 14000 got me 400 which is about 3 in 100. 6 hours leafletting in january has got me 21 new customers so far.
Have you got one i can take some ideas from for my own leaflet??
I think i am going to try this on a week before my slowest work week as a way to get some extra work :)
seandyer2003@yahoo.co.uk
Thanks