Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: monkeyman on February 11, 2009, 05:55:14 pm
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hi folks been out today with my pure freedom trolley doing all 2nd cleans using the wfp trolley but i,m still taking far too long,and using far too much water.on average its taking me 45 mins and i,m using two full 25ltr barrels on your average 3bed semi.how long should it take and how much water do you guys who are used to the trolley take.been using it set at no 3 for brushing and 4 for rinsing.help guys i need to speed up fast ?thanks in advance ???
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Gemma, you've got to have some confidence in your technique and your equipment.
A standard window with three panes shouldn't take any longer than 15 to 20 seconds to clean. Just wash once and rinse; then move on.
I suspect you're worried about the results, so are taking far longer and using more water than needed.
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look at some vids on utube to see how to wfp properly.. keep practising..
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I use fan jets all the time,if you have pencil ones and the windows bead it will take longer,try a normal window at home but don't take too much time on it,like Tosh says wash and rinse within say 20-30 seconds on your standard window unit and see the results later,alot of people take far too long on a window because they worry about the results but if you give it a good scrub and rinse a little it will be fine,don't bother turning the flow up for rinseing and down for scrubbing,just leave it on the same setting,I think you are worrying too much and thats why you are using alot of water,on a normal 3 bedroom semi I would use 10 litres roughly but I have a tap for saving water and use fan jets that give a decent rinse once down the pane.
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i aim for a maximum of a minite a window
this is my vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab6xM25RnS4&eurl=http://www.hwcs-swansea.co.uk/domestic.html
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quickly brush up and down the glass, then around the edges of the pain, then rinse down quickly
job done
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And if your anything like this geezer, you're taking too long....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWcPTtIz9gM&feature=related
Did oyu know if you turn your water up you'll do the job quicker ;)
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Christ , he is making real hard work of that... i suspect he is trying too hard... to impress on the video.
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if the water is pure then the only problems with drying are what comes down from above. vents etc but like a lot seem to do on hear just offer a garantee and if it doesn't come up to scratch you will soon see what are the problem windows.
custy's love it when you do call back it shows your profesionalism,
think i spelt that right, but im a window cleaner not an english teacher.
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Looks like your in the same boat as me gemma. I use about 75 litres on a 3 be house :'( :'(
It takes me about an hour to clean. Using that much water the punter as a free pond in the garden when i've finished ;D ;D ;D
Hopefully we'll all get quicker and use less water ;)
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Looks like your in the same boat as me gemma. I use about 75 litres on a 3 be house :'( :'(
It takes me about an hour to clean. Using that much water the punter as a free pond in the garden when i've finished ;D ;D ;D
Hopefully we'll all get quicker and use less water ;)
It will don't panic!
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even on fust cleans thats way to much water & to long you nead to go out with sumbody whos got xperiace
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here's how I clean windows
top of glass from left to right once
up and down across from right to left
top of glass left to right once
done
I use a high flow rate, setting 6 on varistream.
average size window takes me no more than 10 seconds
average 3 bed semi will take 6mins or slightly less.
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Gemma practice makes perfect, regular cust its just a quick once over and rinse, on your own the sort of house your talking about should be 10 mins including setting up packing note through the door and so on, you will know if your too fast when people start moaning.
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I was the same.
Go as fast as you feel confident.
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hi folks been out today with my pure freedom trolley doing all 2nd cleans using the wfp trolley but i,m still taking far too long,and using far too much water.on average its taking me 45 mins and i,m using two full 25ltr barrels on your average 3bed semi.how long should it take and how much water do you guys who are used to the trolley take.been using it set at no 3 for brushing and 4 for rinsing.help guys i need to speed up fast ?thanks in advance ???
You are using far too much water. In an attempt to make a really good job I think :)
You will get a lot faster and use much less water as time goes on but if you need some help in the meantime feel free to call me on 01469 566376.
I was the first ever to use a Freedom trolley so I know how you feel.
Andrew
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I was the first ever to use a Freedom trolley so I know how you feel.
Andrew
Next, guess what! He's gonna tell you he invented the Freedom Trolley :)
You wait ;D
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Wait for wat??? ;D ::)
The honest answer is that it was a collaborative effort between me and Adepta Engineering.
I knew what I wanted in principle so went to them and asked them to design and build it which they did. It bears no real resemblance to the Freedom trolley as it has been for a good while now. I did come up with the name "Freedom Trolley" It evolved over time with a lot of input from Andy Thompson of Adepta who is a very good ideas man. Basically that's it.
As for the future of trollies watch this space ........ ;)
A very tired Andrew :)
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Makes me laugh why anyone would want to rinse a bedroom window with brush away from the glass, that's just making hard work for yourself ;D 'Brush on glass' any day at any height regardless with the exception of milky frames.
All I do is pay attention to scrubbing glass near top of frame (that's where all the dirt, cobwebs, etc are and spots will occur if not cleaned thoroughly), good but thorough confident scrub ensuring I've covered all the glass to loosen any dirt with the brush and a once down the glass 'rinse' using plenty of water with brush still on the glass, job done. :)
It's quicker to rinse hydrobic glass with 'brush on' covering the glass area than it is to push water flow cascading down the glass with 'brush off'.
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when i first started i used to rinse loads of times using my trolley. try this . scrub the window twice,go all round the sides and then rinse slowly just once. it will come up great and you should start using less than a barrel a house. i was like you at the start and now do approx 3 houses an hour if they are small semis .
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Sparkle and Gemma. Get your systems out at the weekend and do you own windows.
1) do one like you do a custies
2) do one at half that speed
3) do one at breakneck speed.
Wait for them to dry and compare results.
The only way to gain 100% confidence of what you are doing is to see the results :)
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I found that when i started i was taking ages to do a house , i reckoned i needed to do 4 semi's per hour to earn my target hrly rate . At first i was doing 2 per hour but as time went on i found i was getting faster , i didn't think i was doing them differently just faster and the faster i went the less water i used. I'm not quite at 4per hour [ without rushing ] but 3 is easy , took me about 6mths , in time i think 5 per hour will be my new target.
One thing i do do differently is setting up and packing away , i know i'm loads faster on that now. Also using one 20ft brush to do up and downstairs [ just collapse it for bottoms ] when i can.
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I found that when i started i was taking ages to do a house , i reckoned i needed to do 4 semi's per hour to earn my target hrly rate . At first i was doing 2 per hour but as time went on i found i was getting faster , i didn't think i was doing them differently just faster and the faster i went the less water i used. I'm not quite at 4per hour [ without rushing ] but 3 is easy , took me about 6mths , in time i think 5 per hour will be my new target.
One thing i do do differently is setting up and packing away , i know i'm loads faster on that now. Also using one 20ft brush to do up and downstairs [ just collapse it for bottoms ] when i can.
A twenty foot brush would clean two houses at the same time i would imagine ;D
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I found that when i started i was taking ages to do a house , i reckoned i needed to do 4 semi's per hour to earn my target hrly rate . At first i was doing 2 per hour but as time went on i found i was getting faster , i didn't think i was doing them differently just faster and the faster i went the less water i used. I'm not quite at 4per hour [ without rushing ] but 3 is easy , took me about 6mths , in time i think 5 per hour will be my new target.
One thing i do do differently is setting up and packing away , i know i'm loads faster on that now. Also using one 20ft brush to do up and downstairs [ just collapse it for bottoms ] when i can.
A twenty foot brush would clean two houses at the same time i would imagine ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
dont start them off
tonight we will have some1
i have a 30 ft brush and can do 3 houses at the same time
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I have a 30 foot brush and can do three houses at a time ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I wish i could just took me 3 hours to do three 3bed semis :'( :'( :'(
This time next year mr sparkle will be like all you professionals ;)
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Stephen C Brophy - Niice video! Much better seeing things from the inside.
Gemma - I was like you. I still take too long, but to a lesser extent now. After taking advice on technique, I did what Helen is suggesting and I am now spending less and less time on my own house, and my customer's houses, with results that are just as satisfactory. Getting quicker all the time now.
I did have a small number of windows where one, or two, panes always required more attention - but, over time, even they became less problematical.
Mike
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I don't use the Freedom trolley, mine is a DIY one that carries 2x 25 liter containers, I would do at least 5 average semi's with those, that's using a Varistream digital on setting no 2.
I carry 250 litres on the van, but never use all of them even on my longest day, I average about 1 hour per container.