Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: williamx on February 08, 2009, 06:06:29 pm
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Which one of these machines is the best and why?
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Depends on the operator and chemistry used. It would be very difficult to choose unless procedures and products were clearly defined. Even then, it would be a close call.
My gut feeling is that for the same carpet on the same day, with detergents and minimal agitation, the Powerflite would be No.1 If you were detergent free, with good mechanical agitation and cold water, the Scorpion would win.
Add heat to the Scorpion and it may just about be an all round winner, but both are excellent machines.
When I was considering what to buy myself a couple of years ago, I narrowed it down to just these two machines. I was happy using just hot water from the custy's tap or even cold. I concluded that if I chose the Powerflite, I'd still want more power, so I bought the Scorp. It's only natural to want to use the biggest tool in the box. For me it was the right decision.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
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If you want heat then the 1350 certainly will give it.
Combined with the Wonderwand this will be a good combination but at 500psi I am not sure how frequent you will be filling up the tank.
I have had a CFR500 Perfect Heat machine in the past. Now a Scorpion with external heater.
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At 500 psi or below your going t go through a lot of water and lots of filling up.
If i was going to get an upgrade would be a prowler for a t mount and a portie would be a scorpion no others and with the extra vac and and an exchanger for the heat :)
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Which is better depends on who's answering the question. Scorpian owners I'm sure would back their machine, and powerflite owners the same.
I currently own a perfect heat 1350 it's a very good machine and produces a high level of heat!! I prefer to use detergent based products and they perform better with added heat.I didn't look at the scorpian, as I've previously purchased 2 machines from AmtechUK.Their service is very good and are always willing to help.
Both machines have a 500 psi pump , not sure what point your trying to make!you don't need to use a wonderwand a twin jet is fine.
Whichever you choose shouldn't leave you disapointed.
joe
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JMJ
Out of the 3 previous posts two of them are currently Scorpion owners, one had a CFR500 and the other looked closely at the 1350..... but both gave good comments about the 1350 - cant get fairer then that.
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Many a cleaner has been using the speedsters because of performance and heat have you looked at those?
Shaun
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Joe
I did read the previous posts, thats why i gave an answer from a powerflite owner.I wasn't suggesting they weren't fair.
joe(aka jmj)
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Whats the maximum distance that you can clean from these machines? and will the Scorpian extra water tanks fit the Powr-flite?
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Maybe
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Rob
Your using the scorpion as a t mount setup :)
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Cleaned at 100 feet with Scorpion ,no loss of vac power/water pressure.
Rob.
Clinton thats not mine but yes as Truck-mount and Portable
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Cleaned at 150ft with Scorpion on 2" hose. Yes there's a drop off at that distance, but it's still better than a conventional porty with 25ft of 1.5"
Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
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Thats not bad a 150 ft with a portie :)
Rob
Sory about that thought it was your set up :)
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I have cleaned at 100 ft with my powerflite 1350 with no probs
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Having the scorpion as a t mount set up gives you the option :)
How many litres of water do the tanks hold with the scorpion as a t mount set up ???
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Ive cleaned at 75ft with my Raptor it was a joke ended up bringing out my powermax and taking it up the stairs any machine with 2x3 stage vacs 5.7inch size 50ft is the max after that forget it.I use 40ft of vac hose on most jobs even that is ok but if i can i will use 25ft of vac hose as the drying times are far better.
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Scorpion auxilliary tanks are 150ltrs.
Darren. If you ever get the opportunity to borrow some 2" hose, try that. The Raptor vacs are set up for airflow, albeit I believe through a manifold rather than individually, and you should notice a little improvement. Also try a slightly slower extra vac pass.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
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The freswater tank of my Bane is 65x50x95cms
if my grammar school education was any good i would say it is 300lts
Not sure of size of waste, but imagine it would hold more, maybe 450-500lts,
Andrew
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Ken ,andrew
Wasnt to sure how many litres they hold.
Good to know as might be few on here who fancy going down the scorpion mount set up as to a full t mount ???
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This is mine Clinton, along side Bane tanks and reels,
put it in over new year, then was going to take out clean up etc,
however picked up new big contract and didnt get time, so just ratchet strapped it down for now.
when it goes back in it will be moved slightly, glad i temp fitted it now, got to know it , and where everything goes best !
Andrew
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Darren ,
cant understand your problem with the raptor, amachine I have used in the past and although not comparable to a t/m vaccing at 75 ft wasnt a problem, still one of the best portys around.
geoff
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Goeff when i said the Raptor was crap at 75ft i didnt just mean the Raptor my powermax is just as bad as it has the same vacs in it maybe its just me but 2vacs at that distance the results arent good enough.Goeff for the first 10 months the machine was brilliant but after that its been a bit of a joke the amount of things that have went wrong with its been back to Hydramaster 3 times and also to my Prochem dealer 3 times and still no further forward with the pump now iam having electrical problems with it to and to be honest i wish i never bought it now.
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Andrew
Looks like a good set up mate.Like the system how you heat the water :)
Think if you dont want to go down the full t mount set up the scorpion is the way to go :)
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Hi Guys
Clinton, if you want to go to a full TM set up then get a TM.
These set ups, although often ingeneous are portables in a van, a TM has lots more power.
Cheers
Doug
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Hi doug
They are agreat set up t mounts just all the messing about with them and have to keep going out to them in between the jobs just if i did get one i would get used to the way of the workng of them ::)
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Hi Clinton
I toyed with the TM/Porty thing for years but like all who have taken the plunge, you just get used to a different way of working and the results for not much effort are outstanding.
I would never knock portys, last week I earned more with my porty than TM, largely due to a big City job, but if you are not careful you can end up spending almost as much on a porty as a TM, which doesn't make much sense.
Cheers
Doug
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Hi Guys
Clinton, if you want to go to a full TM set up then get a TM.
These set ups, although often ingeneous are portables in a van, a TM has lots more power.
Cheers
Doug
The problem I have is that as well as being a carpet cleaner, I also use a van mounted WFP system andI want to expand into gutter and driveway cleaning.
If I had a truck mount carpet cleaning machine as well, I would need to change from my transit to an articulated lorry ;D
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A bit like myself not enough room in the van for a truckmount got my van brand new 2 years ago still got 2 years left on finance so will be keeping it for at least another 2 years.When i do get a Scorpion i will be using it as a porty i no you can use it van mounted but i would rather leave outside house and just use 50ft vac hose and soution hose.
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Alltec have been testing a three vac set up ???
Might be out in a few weeks,just if its a new concept there might be teething probs ???
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one problem with leaving a scorpion outside custys house.
Custy thinks you have a plastic bucket with a vaccum motor , they look like some think you can buy down at B&Q ;)
Geoff
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Excellant value for money at B & Q Geoff ;)