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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Moderator David@stives on February 07, 2009, 02:32:16 pm
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Just had a very good chat with Andy Wilson Who is running free NVQ2 courses (subject to funding). He also works very closely with the FWC.
He sent me an email which i will paste below, anyone interested in the NVQ Dont hesitate to contact him.
I have agreed to 5 spaces in Cornwall, anyone else interested please contact me.
NVQ2 High level window cleaning (latest standard)
100% Government funded available (Specification attached)
Value per candidate is over £1,000
Training area provided in a location near you
Approximately 12 weeks from start to completion
NVQ consists of:
3 Training room classes which include, Working at Height Safely (Working at height certificate provided), Reducing risks in your workplace, Customer care, Working as a team, Developing yourself and cleaning glass, facades and all external surfaces and areas
Training is giving by a working at height consultant and window cleaner since 1970’s (CV can be supplied)
Assessments carried out on site during normal working day “minimal disruption”
The NVQ is a UK recognised qualification – equivalent to 5 A-C grades GCSE
Online information
http://www.cleaning43.com/latest-news/latest-news-article.php?latestNewsID=632
http://www.cleaning43.com/latest-news/latest-news-article.php?latestNewsID=618
General News
http://www.cleaning43.com/latest-news/latest-news-article.php?latestNewsID=677
Kind regards,
David Willis
Linden Management (UK) Limited
* British Fields, Ollerton Road, Tuxford, Newark, Nottinghamshire, NG22 0PQ
( Telephone: 0800 298 0632
Direct Tel: +44 (0)1205 769032
Direct Fax: +44 (0)1205 761818
) Mobile: +44 (0)7984 365917
: E-mail: david.willis@impact43.com
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He contacted me in November and I booked to go on one next week . I had not heard anything from him and had lost his email address . Glad you posted it , now I can contact him
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Im doing it in march, i was too clever to get it for free : ) its only for people with less than 5 a-c's but they got me 100% funding from the college so looking forward to it, should be interesting, i doubt there is much technique to learn but might be surprised at what i didnt know, but definitely the legal aspects and h&s will help alot!!!
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The NVQ is a UK recognised qualification – equivalent to 5 A-C grades GCSE
is that true ? ? ? surely not
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The NVQ is a UK recognised qualification – equivalent to 5 A-C grades GCSE
is that true ? ? ? surely not
i dont think its ture maybe equivalent to 1 gcse maybe.
i hot one in car manufacturing and they never said it was equivalent 5 gcse's
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its atrade qualification and surpasses your gcses
with an nvq you will be able to describe yourself as a quailified wc
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The NVQ is a UK recognised qualification – equivalent to 5 A-C grades GCSE
is that true ? ? ? surely not
makes me feel better I have 2 of the so far, but left school with nothing, also have a city and guilds, I would be well interested in doing this course.,
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seandyer2003
Which one are you going on. I should be going on the one in Preston, but there was another one in Manchester
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The NVQ is a UK recognised qualification – equivalent to 5 A-C grades GCSE
is that true ? ? ? surely not
NVQ's come in levels, as far as the government (and college / university entrance) is concerned NVQ level 2 is equivalent to 5 a*-c GCSE's and NVQ level 3 is equivalent to 2 A Levels or 5 GCSE's. As far as employers are concerned... not so much.
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Hi guys,
Weve been on this course with charlie from Jv price and his staff,
At the end of the day its a funded course that gives us a qualification in our area of work so im up for it.
Dean
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Dean
Where did you attend the course as you are from stoke & J V Price south (london?)
Gary
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The NVQ is a UK recognised qualification – equivalent to 5 A-C grades GCSE
is that true ? ? ? surely not
NVQ's come in levels, as far as the government (and college / university entrance) is concerned NVQ level 2 is equivalent to 5 a*-c GCSE's and NVQ level 3 is equivalent to 2 A Levels or 5 GCSE's. As far as employers are concerned... not so much.
Good point you know it stands for Not Very Quick ;D ;D Only joking
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The NVQ is a UK recognised qualification – equivalent to 5 A-C grades GCSE
is that true ? ? ? surely not
NVQ's come in levels, as far as the government (and college / university entrance) is concerned NVQ level 2 is equivalent to 5 a*-c GCSE's and NVQ level 3 is equivalent to 2 A Levels or 5 GCSE's. As far as employers are concerned... not so much.
i knew that NVQ Level 3 was the equivalent to 2 A Levels, as i did my NVQ level 3 as a 2nd year apprentice carpenter ( which to be honest was a farce, but it was part of the course, so as we learnt we acheived it, i remmber my mum was so proud ::), of course i was planning for the HNC, so it wasnt a big issue to me )
BUT
i honestly didnt realise that NVQ was the equivalent to 5 a*-c GCSE's, that means that bird on cornie street who wants to be a nurse could get in though doing a little window cleaning
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seandyer2003
Which one are you going on. I should be going on the one in Preston, but there was another one in Manchester
In manchester, dont know where yet i forgot if ive been told, but definitely in manchester...
3 rd of march i think it is, will look for email now...
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Chris,
On reflection I'm going to delete my post; I could be wrong about NVQs based on my experience; and I don't want to knock something which could be a positive thing for window cleaners.
Could you delete your well argued post too? Only because it contains my quote.
Cheers.
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Chris,
On reflection I'm going to delete my post; I could be wrong about NVQs based on my experience; and I don't want to knock something which could be a positive thing for window cleaning.
Could you delete your well argued post too? Only because it contains my quote.
Cheers.
Tosh, i feel it should stand, my main reason for this, is many people have this feeling you typed.. on reflection you realise what you said was wrong, but your thinking what many others are thinking too..
Think it from another perspective on what and how clients will contract you..
But if you want i will delete your quote, but keep my reply and advise why i posted it - to say anonymous.
ok ive changed my original post - but kept "some" of your reply... i will delete this post in 5 mins...
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Chris,
Leave the lot if you want; that's fine with me. I've said I'm in the 'wrong' for being a negative git about a qualification for window cleaners; and I'm happy to leave it at that.
You don't have to delete anything. Maybe it'll give this post some balance?
Regards,
Tosh.
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i honestly didnt realise that NVQ was the equivalent to 5 a*-c GCSE's, that means that bird on cornie street who wants to be a nurse could get in though doing a little window cleaning
Sure. Actually, at one point NVQ's were a loophole qualification (don't know about the present, been a while since I looked into it). In the official educational equivalence tables, an NVQ was considered equivalent to GCSE a*-c in english and maths. There are an awful lot of courses and official jobs (i.e. teaching assistant, police officer, practically any degree ) where you need the English and Maths GCSE's. A NVQ will get you past those requirements, even if it's in a subject like window cleaning.
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Tosh, i think your right, it will give some discussion points of view.. the reasons for and against.. but mainly for "training" ;)
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unfortunately nvq's are here!
We had cse's and O level's and A levels (then more advanced, university etc)
everyone knew where we were!
Now people don't want to be a "Loser" so everyone is a winner! :(
A have an Advanced City & Guilds in Carpentry & Joinery (with distinction!)
To think a W/C can have a EQUAL certificate in preposterous and an insult to the hard work & high standards I had to achieve to get those qualifications! >:(
I think it's distasteful to say the least! :(
Having said that, any qualification held by anyone shows dedication/devotion to the work he has chosen. This shows he cares about his standards! 8)
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Not sure if I have read some of these postings correctly, so sorry if I have.
To gain some sort of qualification whther it be HNC/NVQ etc etc is good, but surely you get them for a particular subject/trade ??? As the title says "NVQ level 2 window cleaning" As a propsective employer of a window cleaner, if I had 2 applications, 1 with a NVQ in WC and 1 with a NVQ in electrics,I would be looking at the first and not the second. Shoe on other foot I would be looking at the second and not the first. So by gaining a qualification in WC'ing doesn't demean others who have gained "technical" qualifications surely? :)
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Apologies to ChrisyG i have accidently deleted one of your posts.
Once again Apologies
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Apologies to ChrisyG i have accidently deleted one of your posts.
Once again Apologies
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unfortunately nvq's are here!
We had cse's and O level's and A levels (then more advanced, university etc)
everyone knew where we were!
Now people don't want to be a "Loser" so everyone is a winner! :(
A have an Advanced City & Guilds in Carpentry & Joinery (with distinction!)
To think a W/C can have a EQUAL certificate in preposterous and an insult to the hard work & high standards I had to achieve to get those qualifications! >:(
I think it's distasteful to say the least! :(
Having said that, any qualification held by anyone shows dedication/devotion to the work he has chosen. This shows he cares about his standards! 8)
Can I ask why you would think it being prepostrous and an insult, I personally think saying that is insulting to window cleaners
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unfortunately nvq's are here!
We had cse's and O level's and A levels (then more advanced, university etc)
everyone knew where we were!
Now people don't want to be a "Loser" so everyone is a winner! :(
A have an Advanced City & Guilds in Carpentry & Joinery (with distinction!)
To think a W/C can have a EQUAL certificate in preposterous and an insult to the hard work & high standards I had to achieve to get those qualifications! >:(
I think it's distasteful to say the least! :(
Having said that, any qualification held by anyone shows dedication/devotion to the work he has chosen. This shows he cares about his standards! 8)
Can I ask why you would think it being prepostrous and an insult, I personally think saying that is insulting to window cleaners
Yes, I don't mind at all!
Firstly it took me 2 year and 3 months (with 18 months gap/in working environment)
(so 18 months for c&g's, then back to work/job for 18 months then a further 9 months for advanced c&g's)
IMO that's REAL training/apprentice!
Are you or anyone else going to tell me it will take the best part of 3 years to learn W/C?
1-3 days more like!
1 day paperwork
1 day blading/squeegy training
1 day wfp training
oh sorry 4 days...
1 day H&S training!
Yer! their the same all right! :o :o :o
NO INSULT INTENDED... AFTER-ALL I AM WINDOW CLEANING MYSELF!
It stands to reason, I wouldn't be insulting myself, now would I? ???
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well window cleaning is a lot easier than Carpentry & Joinery...lol so what do you expect?
NVQ L2 is an intermediate level, yours was an advance level.
I have a GNVQ L2 & L3 in Engineering which took me 3 years at college 5 days a week 9-5..
obviously had much more to learn than how to clean windows properly..
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unfortunately nvq's are here!
We had cse's and O level's and A levels (then more advanced, university etc)
everyone knew where we were!
Now people don't want to be a "Loser" so everyone is a winner! :(
A have an Advanced City & Guilds in Carpentry & Joinery (with distinction!)
To think a W/C can have a EQUAL certificate in preposterous and an insult to the hard work & high standards I had to achieve to get those qualifications! >:(
I think it's distasteful to say the least! :(
Having said that, any qualification held by anyone shows dedication/devotion to the work he has chosen. This shows he cares about his standards! 8)
Can I ask why you would think it being prepostrous and an insult, I personally think saying that is insulting to window cleaners
Yes, I don't mind at all!
Firstly it took me 2 year and 3 months (with 18 months gap/in working environment)
(so 18 months for c&g's, then back to work/job for 18 months then a further 9 months for advanced c&g's)
IMO that's REAL training/apprentice!
Are you or anyone else going to tell me it will take the best part of 3 years to learn W/C?
1-3 days more like!
1 day paperwork
1 day blading/squeegy training
1 day wfp training
oh sorry 4 days...
1 day H&S training!
Yer! their the same all right! :o :o :o
NO INSULT INTENDED... AFTER-ALL I AM WINDOW CLEANING MYSELF!
It stands to reason, I wouldn't be insulting myself, now would I? ???
I do not know how long the course is, I I doubt it would take anywhere near three years full time if it did then I would be very surprised, I had to do my city and guilds over 2 years for plumbing, and my nvq again was 2 years 5 days a week, I did not do the advanced part as I could see that wasting more of my time for not that good money so I got out of that. Why did you start window cleaning after doing all that hard graft getting paper work ??
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A have an Advanced City & Guilds in Carpentry & Joinery (with distinction!)
To think a W/C can have a EQUAL certificate in preposterous and an insult to the hard work & high standards I had to achieve to get those qualifications! >:(
I think it's distasteful to say the least! :(
i agree, i have the same said C&G in C&J also with distinction, i then as i said went onto do a HNC in building studies
that C&G took me 3 years of college and work on-site
i am not sure any1 would see a NVQ in window cleaning in the same light as the above , would they ? ? ? seriously ? ? ? ?
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Matt
The way things are going in the commercial sector, you wont be allowed on any major building without showing a training matrix for your staff, or you wont get by the "What health and safety training have your staff got " box.
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Matt to answer your question... who knows?
To answer your question windowwasher (sorry don't know your name!)
Stress!
Mistakes are made so easily when under pressure to perform! ;)
Life too short, window cleaning is "Nice" no boss no time tables/ dead-lines!
No stress! ;) 8)
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unfortunately nvq's are here!
We had cse's and O level's and A levels (then more advanced, university etc)
everyone knew where we were!
Now people don't want to be a "Loser" so everyone is a winner! :(
A have an Advanced City & Guilds in Carpentry & Joinery (with distinction!)
To think a W/C can have a EQUAL certificate in preposterous and an insult to the hard work & high standards I had to achieve to get those qualifications! >:(
I think it's distasteful to say the least! :(
Having said that, any qualification held by anyone shows dedication/devotion to the work he has chosen. This shows he cares about his standards! 8)
Can I ask why you would think it being prepostrous and an insult, I personally think saying that is insulting to window cleaners
Yes, I don't mind at all!
Firstly it took me 2 year and 3 months (with 18 months gap/in working environment)
(so 18 months for c&g's, then back to work/job for 18 months then a further 9 months for advanced c&g's)
IMO that's REAL training/apprentice!
Are you or anyone else going to tell me it will take the best part of 3 years to learn W/C?
1-3 days more like!
1 day paperwork
1 day blading/squeegy training
1 day wfp training
oh sorry 4 days...
1 day H&S training!
Yer! their the same all right! :o :o :o
NO INSULT INTENDED... AFTER-ALL I AM WINDOW CLEANING MYSELF!
It stands to reason, I wouldn't be insulting myself, now would I? ???
I do not know how long the course is, I I doubt it would take anywhere near three years full time if it did then I would be very surprised, I had to do my city and guilds over 2 years for plumbing, and my nvq again was 2 years 5 days a week, I did not do the advanced part as I could see that wasting more of my time for not that good money so I got out of that. Why did you start window cleaning after doing all that hard graft getting paper work ??
mine was the ability to be able to work for myself with the advantage of working 3 days a week, its not very good when you rip out a kitchen in a house and say after wednesday " i will be back on monday now " it wouldnt go down too well
thus the 3 days a week for now it done window cleaning
when the children are both in school 5 days a week, who knows what i will choose to do ? ? ?
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A have an Advanced City & Guilds in Carpentry & Joinery (with distinction!)
To think a W/C can have a EQUAL certificate in preposterous and an insult to the hard work & high standards I had to achieve to get those qualifications! >:(
An Advanced City & Guilds is not equal to the NVQ Level 2 in WC. An Advanced City & Guilds diploma is equivalent to 3 1/2 a Levels, with a distinction that would be 3 1/2 A levels at A standard. In other words, you could proceed onto a degree without problems. An NVQ Level 2 is equivalent to 5 GCSE's, and so would qualify you to go onto a City & Guilds diploma but certainly not a degree.
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This sort of topic cracks me up ;D
I left school having struggled to get one GCSE pass (that would be a grade 'C' not not a 'D' or 'E' as it is now). Although all those 'D's and 'E's which were fails apparently are passes now.
I then spent two years at an Army apprentices college and after a few more years attending a 6 month course where I came out with an advance C&G in mechanics.
Are you really telling me that is the same as 2 real passes at A level....I don't think so.
Anyway, I don't have a single qualification in window cleaning but have been doing it for for about 7 years now.
So if I found out that I couldn't get a commercial window cleaning job because I haven't got a VOCATIONAL piece of paper in window cleaning then I'd be off to one of those smart ar*e no win no fee lawyers to make some money out of said company discriminating against me.
Afterall by current understandings I have 2 A Levels ;D and a damned sight more experience than someone waving a piece of paper based on 5 days experience of cleaning a piece of glass.
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I only left school with cse's so i might be a bit thick at times but can this nvq2 be done without doing nvq1?
The good thing is it's free for peeps like me. ;D
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Neil
it might crack you up, but training and especially H&S is the way forward.
Just ask Charlie Price and some of the other big players, they all have one thing in common.
Well Trained staff,
coincidence ? No.
They all know what it takes to win big contracts.
Just have a look at any government tender document and you will know what I mean.
Have a look at abseiling anyone can do it, you could even gain an irata level, but i guarantee if you havent got a level 3, no one will let you hang over the side of there building.
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I only left school with cse's so i might be a bit thick at times but can this nvq2 be done without doing nvq1?
The good thing is it's free for peeps like me. ;D
yes, the NVQ level 1 consists of :
can you spell your name
can you get dressed in the morning
can you get to course
can you walk around without bumping into things ( this is the safety side of it )
can you hold a squeegee
i am sure i might have missed something
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I only left school with cse's so i might be a bit thick at times but can this nvq2 be done without doing nvq1?
The good thing is it's free for peeps like me. ;D
yes, the NVQ level 1 consists of :
can you spell your name
can you get dressed in the morning
can you get to course
can you walk around without bumping into things ( this is the safety side of it )
can you hold a squeegee
i am sure i might have missed something
lol funny
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Are you really telling me that is the same as 2 real passes at A level....I don't think so.
I've been involved in A level marking... A Levels are not what they used to be. Yeah, I would certainly say that an advanced city & guild is far more difficult than the A levels I did and passed. Getting A levels isn't so much a matter of understanding the subject, but understanding the system. If you know how grades are awarded, you could easily get a pass after a few months effort. Plus, a lot of people game the system. There are schools in london where every answer is practically identical down to having comprehension errors in the same place, you get the feeling some doofus was standing up front dictating the answers.
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I only left school with cse's so i might be a bit thick at times but can this nvq2 be done without doing nvq1?
The good thing is it's free for peeps like me. ;D
yes, the NVQ level 1 consists of :
can you spell your name
can you get dressed in the morning
can you get to course
can you walk around without bumping into things ( this is the safety side of it )
can you hold a squeegee
i am sure i might have missed something
Cheers matt. That sounds easy enough.
H&S paperwork of any sort is a good thing to have. I will look into this.
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Dean
Where did you attend the course as you are from stoke & J V Price south (london?)
Gary
Hi Gary,
Weve been on the course in watford,
Hows business?
Dean
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Are you really telling me that is the same as 2 real passes at A level....I don't think so.
I've been involved in A level marking... A Levels are not what they used to be. Yeah, I would certainly say that an advanced city & guild is far more difficult than the A levels I did and passed. Getting A levels isn't so much a matter of understanding the subject, but understanding the system. If you know how grades are awarded, you could easily get a pass after a few months effort. Plus, a lot of people game the system. There are schools in london where every answer is practically identical down to having comprehension errors in the same place, you get the feeling some doofus was standing up front dictating the answers.
Alot of courses these days are like that, i got good grades in nearly all subjects in school, but dont have a clue about them really, just cottoned on to what i needed to put down to pass, teachers practically tell you anyway, so long as you remember and then just repeat it all down in the exam - Pass!! Ask me now (only 5 yrs on) and i bet i couldnt get 30 % on any of the tests at gcse
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Neil
it might crack you up, but training and especially H&S is the way forward.
Just ask Charlie Price and some of the other big players, they all have one thing in common.
Well Trained staff,
coincidence ? No.
They all know what it takes to win big contracts.
Just have a look at any government tender document and you will know what I mean.
Have a look at abseiling anyone can do it, you could even gain an irata level, but i guarantee if you havent got a level 3, no one will let you hang over the side of there building.
exactly, so many tunnelled visions on this forum dont seem to realise this.. ::)
Yes experience is good for you to know, but how does that help a manager decide who is right to clean their windows - they will be choosing the ones who have the most training and certificates - to back up the claim of experience.
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Neil
it might crack you up, but training and especially H&S is the way forward.
Just ask Charlie Price and some of the other big players, they all have one thing in common.
Well Trained staff,
coincidence ? No.
They all know what it takes to win big contracts.
Just have a look at any government tender document and you will know what I mean.
Have a look at abseiling anyone can do it, you could even gain an irata level, but i guarantee if you havent got a level 3, no one will let you hang over the side of there building.
exactly, so many tunnelled visions on this forum dont seem to realise this.. ::)
Yes experience is good for you to know, but how does that help a manager decide who is right to clean their windows - they will be choosing the ones who have the most training and certificates - to back up the claim of experience.
or you might get better results if you clean the managers house as a " incentive " ;)
on a serious note, i am not knocking the NVQ's, anything that sets up apart from the rest can only be a good thing, though the more who do it, that point becomes less and less
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Neil
it might crack you up, but training and especially H&S is the way forward.
Just ask Charlie Price and some of the other big players, they all have one thing in common.
Well Trained staff,
coincidence ? No.
They all know what it takes to win big contracts.
Just have a look at any government tender document and you will know what I mean.
Have a look at abseiling anyone can do it, you could even gain an irata level, but i guarantee if you havent got a level 3, no one will let you hang over the side of there building.
exactly, so many tunnelled visions on this forum dont seem to realise this.. ::)
Yes experience is good for you to know, but how does that help a manager decide who is right to clean their windows - they will be choosing the ones who have the most training and certificates - to back up the claim of experience.
Good point I can see the benefit, from an employer's point of view!
I am talking as solo w/c
Quote from Matt...
on a serious note, i am not knocking the NVQ's, anything that sets up apart from the rest can only be a good thing, though the more who do it, that point becomes less and less
End quote...
I agree with this, if I were to employ someone (young lad) the one with the NVQ would swing it, as it would look good to potential clients... I understand that! 8)