Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: psbruce on February 02, 2009, 10:32:04 pm
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Ok so its been arctic for a couple of days but a Hot water systems costs massively more than a standard system.
On an ordinary day is the end clean result worth the increased equipment and running costs? and are there other manufacturers than Ionics with Thermo Pure?
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search posts of nathanael jones. There is a lot of info there.
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Bit of a daft question in a way 'cos anyone who's parted with three grand for a system isn't going to tell you "no it's not worth it"
Similarly the guy with the top of the range Ironics type system would never admit he's wasted half his money.
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Bit of a daft question in a way 'cos anyone who's parted with three grand for a system isn't going to tell you "no it's not worth it"
Similarly the guy with the top of the range Ironics type system would never admit he's wasted half his money.
I`ve just parted with the money and it`s well worth it,the only reason i`m not working is because of the roads i don`t want to right off the van.
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If you can afford it then why not.You get what you pay for.If we could afford a new van every couple of years then we'd all have one.To justify having one is more of an issue over affording one i think?! Lucky you if have got one.
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A few weeks ago when it was freezing i would have lost the best part of a weeks work if i didn`t have 1,i`m not working this week cos it`s not safe to travel.
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It makes sense not to go out in this for a few quid doesn't it? A nice long weekend suits me!
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A few weeks ago when it was freezing i would have lost the best part of a weeks work if i didn`t have 1,i`m not working this week cos it`s not safe to travel.
Surprised your not out now as its clear here and snow has vertually gone.
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Not where i go it`s not,it`s ok if your working round the town but i would be nowhere near the town today thw work due is rural to say the least.
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Ok so its been arctic for a couple of days but a Hot water systems costs massively more than a standard system.
On an ordinary day is the end clean result worth the increased equipment and running costs? and are there other manufacturers than Ionics with Thermo Pure?
In terms of increased real world profit, not just gaining back a few lost days due to frost, that's still down to you & your own efforts with it's promotion/marketing.
A perfect result is acheived with cold wfp, so you can't improve on perfect.
IMO, for most I would imagine it's a balance between the advantages hot can give you in cold weather & your own personal working conditions being more comfortable in the cold.
So, based on increased profit only= who knows?
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Based on the last paragraph= why not, if you can afford it & you want one, treat yourself. You don't have to justify it to anyone but yourself & your circumstances. ;)
Tony
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dus a better job , its qicker , it remves bird muck better , it better on snals trals , its better on spiders diner thats dribuld down the window , it remves egg , it all so removes fary liqid on new cleans , its better on furst cleans the list gos on & on & on & so ther you have it ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D im on L5 it costs me a £1 aday in gas
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Macmac the results using hot water are very real and when you use it you will see,if cold water were just as good why would i have got hot water not to just stick my fingers up at the next WC.All of the above ie snail trails first cleans etc are only a couple of advantages,oh no fozen hoses and easy reeling in are only another 2.I wouldn`t try to compare cold water to hot water because i`d be wasting my time you can`t compare them,the first jump off the ladder is WFP and how good it feels not to have to climb them anymore allday long,having hot WFP puts the cherry on the already iced cake.
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Macmac the results using hot water are very real and when you use it you will see,if cold water were just as good why would i have got hot water not to just stick my fingers up at the next WC.All of the above ie snail trails first cleans etc are only a couple of advantages,oh no fozen hoses and easy reeling in are only another 2.I wouldn`t try to compare cold water to hot water because i`d be wasting my time you can`t compare them,the first jump off the ladder is WFP and how good it feels not to have to climb them anymore allday long,having hot WFP puts the cherry on the already iced cake.
So are you saying then that up 'till last month you were leaving all your customers with dirty windows? Even the ones you used "magic" ISO on? you were not getting perfect results with cold then?
Tony
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Should have been ok - they were sterile. ;D
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If we could all afford an Ionics hot water system we'd all have one.Just like if we could afford it we'd all have a 5 bedroom house,Range Rover Sport and the kids in private school. I know i would.Until then,what i have will,and does do ok!
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BTW,doesn't hot have its advantages in Summer too? On commercial jobs water dries very fast on the glass,whereas with hot water it doesn't.And no,i don't have a hot water system!
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mine wos £92 dliverd £150 in all to set up in clowding gas
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BTW,doesn't hot have its advantages in Summer too? On commercial jobs water dries very fast on the glass,whereas with hot water it doesn't.And no,i don't have a hot water system!
i would have thought hot water dried quicker... with the steam evaporating, on contact with air, making it dry quicker....
but i dont know really, i was just thinking ;)
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mine wos £92 dliverd £150 in all to set up in clowding gas
If it's not a cheeky question, what have you got then?
I was pondering the idea of linking to my van's radiator, as discussed in posts some time back
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yes it driys qiker
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According to the Ionics web site cold water turns to steam on hot glass,ergo,it dries quicker than hot!
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:o Wow...
Steam is produced when water exceeds the boiling point, therefore hot/warm water on hot glass will reach boiling point and turn to steam before cold water!
It's all down to molecules ! ;D
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Does cold water dry quicker on hot glass than hot water?
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On hot days, hot glass etc, cold water forms droplets and can evaporate leaving spots. Hot water has a lower surface tension and rinses away better, lowering chances of spotting.
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Does cold water dry quicker on hot glass than hot water?
No!
Nat's answer adds weight to the argument, slower evaporation!
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Thats it then,i won't blow 15k on 1000ltr hot water system!
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Hot water rinses almost straight off of the glass as said giving it next to no chance of spotting,the longer the water is on the glass the more chance of trouble and that`s why it`s better anytime of the year.
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I also understand that warmer liquids are better at disolving things...
Does that sound right?
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I also understand that warmer liquids are better at disolving things...
Does that sound right?
Of course! :)
You don't wash dishes in cold water now, do you!
It stands to reason, warm is best!
Notice I say warm and not hot! Glass cracks easy, that's why I am a bit apprehensive to going over to it, especially in this weather! :-\