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Title: people with a 4040
Post by: windowwashers on January 30, 2009, 11:52:02 pm
Just wonmdering about anyone that has a 4040 what the tds in and tds out is also pressure if you know?
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: russ_clark on January 30, 2009, 11:58:35 pm
Hi Ian
My tds is around 350-400 in
I use a booster pump which puts pressure up to 5-6 bar?
tds out around 10-12
Russ
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: NWH on January 30, 2009, 11:59:21 pm
In some cases with good water pressure you will get the water down to 002 after RO and your resin will last ages.
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: windowwashers on January 31, 2009, 12:01:15 am
In some cases with good water pressure you will get the water down to 002 after RO and your resin will last ages.
tell me what you have NHW please if you use a 4040 that is.


Russ cheers for that  ;)
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: chris@c.m.s on January 31, 2009, 12:01:21 am
TDS in 240 out about 8 it was lower out at one point though so the filters probably need changing  pressure is about 100 psi pumped from a 24/7 pump but without the pump on pressure is about 35 psi with the tds still at about 8.
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: windowwashers on January 31, 2009, 12:02:37 am
TDS in 240 out about 8 it was lower out at one point though so the filters probably need changing  pressure is about 100 psi pumped from a 24/7 pump but without the pump on pressure is about 35 psi with the tds still at about 8.
you have a 4040 on 24/7 christ you must use a load of water per day  :o
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: NWH on January 31, 2009, 12:04:59 am
2 pre filters and a 40x40 is the ideal setupyou should flush the RO 5 minutes prior to filling,Gaps water do the perfect setup for window cleaners if you look on there site.About £550 will get you more water than you`ll use,there`s someone on here trying to sell water for £30 per 1000ltrs 20 fills from this setup and it`ll pay for itself at the ridiculous rate he`s selling it at.
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: NWH on January 31, 2009, 12:05:48 am
100psi booster pump will help you make water a lot quicker,or a 150psi.
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: windowwashers on January 31, 2009, 12:08:35 am
100psi booster pump will help you make water a lot quicker,or a 150psi.
I have 2 4040's,.

anyone reading this a surflow 100psi pump is not what you need.

nwh i was asking if you have a 4040 if you do what is your input tds and output m8, I just want to see if mine is abaout right or not  ;)

the guy selling water if I needed it straight away I would pay £30 without even thinging about it as a van down for a van would cost me a lot more than that.

Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: NWH on January 31, 2009, 12:09:44 am
Water in about 280-290,water out 002-004.
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: windowwashers on January 31, 2009, 12:11:16 am
Water in about 280-290,water out 002-004.
what is the waste on that compared to pure % ?
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: NWH on January 31, 2009, 12:13:55 am
Regardless of what they tell you it will be 50x50 at least but i think the waste is a lot higher than that,if you increase the waste the quality after RO will be better.If you look at the waste pipe when filling ther`s a lot more going down the drain than going in the tank.
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: windowwashers on January 31, 2009, 12:15:22 am
Regardless of what they tell you it will be 50x50 at least but i think the waste is a lot higher than that,if you increase the waste the quality after RO will be better.If you look at the waste pipe when filling ther`s a lot more going down the drain than going in the tank.
I do it the other way myself
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: NWH on January 31, 2009, 12:26:08 am
What i meant to say was if you fill slower the quality will be better,if you fill quicker with less waste the water after RO will not be as good.
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: windowwashers on January 31, 2009, 12:30:39 am
What i meant to say was if you fill slower the quality will be better,if you fill quicker with less waste the water after RO will not be as good.
I understand that m8, I just wanted to know what every one else is getting and is it worth me joinging the 2 4040's together  :-\

I go for speed because of time, I know it costs a little extra in resin but I am limited on time so is worth the extra cost be it minimal
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: NWH on January 31, 2009, 12:32:50 am
If need to make water quickly i would go straight for the industrial unit they do for about 3k,twin RO with 20" pre filters and auto flush.
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: chris@c.m.s on January 31, 2009, 12:50:25 am
TDS in 240 out about 8 it was lower out at one point though so the filters probably need changing  pressure is about 100 psi pumped from a 24/7 pump but without the pump on pressure is about 35 psi with the tds still at about 8.
you have a 4040 on 24/7 christ you must use a load of water per day  :o
sorry I ment a 24/7 rated pump but I think you know that  ;)
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: windowwashers on January 31, 2009, 12:56:09 am
TDS in 240 out about 8 it was lower out at one point though so the filters probably need changing  pressure is about 100 psi pumped from a 24/7 pump but without the pump on pressure is about 35 psi with the tds still at about 8.
you have a 4040 on 24/7 christ you must use a load of water per day  :o
sorry I ment a 24/7 rated pump but I think you knew that  ;)
was unsure to be honest, I speak to loads of people and some that I speak to personally shock me in what they have going on, so I did not know m8  ;)
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: jaykie on January 31, 2009, 08:24:18 am
In some cases with good water pressure you will get the water down to 002 after RO and your resin will last ages.

Mine is exactly the same with a 50/50 pure ratio

Chris
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: Pj on January 31, 2009, 09:41:16 am
Just wonmdering about anyone that has a 4040 what the tds in and tds out is also pressure if you know?

TDS in approx 300.
TDS out approx 018.
 (I don't really know why I've never been able to get it lower, I've adjusted the waste ratio every which way).
I also use a booster pump as my water pressure is useless and Water Authority won't let me turn it up.

Water pressure when filtering:  80 - 85 psi.
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: pingu on January 31, 2009, 09:54:03 am
I know GAPS do sell a HF5-4040 membrane which is designed for 50psi and lower pressures...do not needing a pump.

I am trying to get one but they will not be any available until around mid-feb.

Cheers
Dave.

ps while we are here anyone recomend a particular 12v solenoid cutoff valve?
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: Bobs Window Cleaning on January 31, 2009, 10:28:08 am
TDS in 543
TDS out Approx 20
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: luther1 on January 31, 2009, 11:26:36 am
In 300 out 6. Straight from my outside tap.
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: Ian Lancaster on January 31, 2009, 11:36:30 am
300 in, 7 out.  Booster pump 75psi.  Fills two 1000lt tanks in 7 hours
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: cybersye on January 31, 2009, 11:48:00 am
250 in 4-6 out 4 bar no pump, hf5 membrane, fill a 650 ltr tank in approx 3 hrs, 50/50 ratio
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: dave0123 on January 31, 2009, 02:03:19 pm
about 400 - 430 in and around 18 - 20 out!

thats with alot of waste to pure  :'( as advised by gaps because we have rly bad pressure and flow! which my pump brings pressure up but there just is not enough water flow so they said.

Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: dd on January 31, 2009, 09:11:42 pm
If you risk running out of water why not get a bigger IBC. Mine is 1500 litres and I have seen one 2000 litres from Stream.
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: rhys11 on January 31, 2009, 11:03:32 pm
I know GAPS do sell a HF5-4040 membrane which is designed for 50psi and lower pressures...do not needing a pump.

I am trying to get one but they will not be any available until around mid-feb.

Cheers
Dave.

ps while we are here anyone recomend a particular 12v solenoid cutoff valve?



i got twin 40/40 from gaps with the hf5 membrane from  the usa very good 400 going in 8 out. fills my 1000 l ibs tank in 3 hrs i got a bypass fitted on to the waste so about a 1/4 goes back through the system to cut down on the water bill.

rhys
Title: Re: people with a 4040
Post by: windowwashers on January 31, 2009, 11:05:43 pm
I know GAPS do sell a HF5-4040 membrane which is designed for 50psi and lower pressures...do not needing a pump.

I am trying to get one but they will not be any available until around mid-feb.

Cheers
Dave.

ps while we are here anyone recomend a particular 12v solenoid cutoff valve?



i got twin 40/40 from gaps with the hf5 membrane from  the usa very good 400 going in 8 out. fills my 1000 l ibs tank in 3 hrs i got a bypass fitted on to the waste so about a 1/4 goes back through the system to cut down on the water bill.

rhys
what is your waste roughly, before the bypass ?