Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: macleod on January 29, 2009, 07:45:48 pm
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Competition time!
Things have moved on in the last few years and I’m not sure how differently I would do things… however starting now and only focusing on wash systems I wanted to ask which van mounted ready built system to use on commercial jobs would you rate as the best.
I’d like to get a feel for the top 3 systems that you use or have used.
Keep in mind the main parts such as the Tank, Filters, Pump, Hose, Brush and the Extra Bits that complete a system for you.
For my sins I have an Ionic Pro 5 but there is the streamline at Wintecs or the Inter Loc Tanks System from window cleaning warehouse and many many others.
So who is the best of the best?
Cheers
Mac
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DIY everytime ;D
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Ionics or Concept2O.
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Ionics or Concept2O.
LMAO,, Good one Alex!!!
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loft tank bit of wood plenty of rope cheap as chips
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donkey and a cart. :o ???
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not sure where Id keep the donkey... what else...
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in the kicshen for the donky
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Ionics or Concept2O.
I have to agree on looks concept20 win hands down. market leader I would say Ionics.
use of system there are loads of others Pure freedom, excel etc and all do the same job.
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concept will have the lower running cost as it is on demand.
The question asked for the best, not the cheapest.
I believe my system is better because the reel is mounted over the tank and i have the auto wind in. The suppliers have a little catching up to do.
Granted my system looks like a bag of nails and it's not crash test secured etc.
one point i would make, although many have ionics, i can't remember one single forum member with a concept.
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concept will have the lower running cost as it is on demand.
The question asked for the best, not the cheapest.
I believe my system is better because the reel is mounted over the tank and i have the auto wind in. The suppliers have a little catching up to do.
Granted my system looks like a bag of nails and it's not crash test secured etc.
one point i would make, although many have ionics, i can't remember one single forum member with a concept.
I saw a concept the other day as it happens and your van does look like a bag of nails a very untidy bag at that,i hope your mind is not the same you know what they say. ;D
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but i really think if you have a good knowledge of systems and contacts with have in a frame made i would rather build my own, there is bits to a lot of systems i like but there is the dislikes so take the good bit and make the perfect system for your needs, i dont mean a basic diy job,
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Ionics for me. One salt backwash a week, nothing ever to do to it other that re-fill and everyday 0 tds. I would definately stay with Ionics.
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You saw the display van you numpty, all watery type bubbles on the graphics wrap and if you'd seen inside you wouldn't know what you were looking at.
Although i'm not as anti ionic as some it's easy to see why they rub people up the wrong way. Talk about wash and preach.
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Everyones entitled to their opinion. Ive had my system since March 08 and as pereviously stated - no problems. Don't know why everyone is so anti Ionics?
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i would only and have only bought from Ionic, and anyone who crashes their van head on into something will wish they had too!
as long as its not above 30 mph ;)
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You saw the display van you numpty, all watery type bubbles on the graphics wrap and if you'd seen inside you wouldn't know what you were looking at.
Although i'm not as anti ionic as some it's easy to see why they rub people up the wrong way. Talk about wash and preach.
come on clive, come and join the rebel alliance , fight the dark side, you know they are evil
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;D ;D ;D
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Talk about wash and preach.
That's a good one for the evangelists among us. Preach and Wash. ;D
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i brought a broadex system, cost 3700.00 and is brill, very well designed, had it over 6 months now, and no problems. Oh and everything is covered for 3 years, so peace of mind...
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Competition time!
Things have moved on in the last few years and I’m not sure how differently I would do things… however starting now and only focusing on wash systems I wanted to ask which van mounted ready built system to use on commercial jobs would you rate as the best.
I’d like to get a feel for the top 3 systems that you use or have used.
Keep in mind the main parts such as the Tank, Filters, Pump, Hose, Brush and the Extra Bits that complete a system for you.
For my sins I have an Ionic Pro 5 but there is the streamline at Wintecs or the Inter Loc Tanks System from window cleaning warehouse and many many others.
So who is the best of the best?
Cheers
Mac
They all pump pure water through pipes eventually getting to a brush. Depends what you want. A system that looks good but costs a lot and may be pricier to maintain? A system that maybe doesn't look so smart but has simpler maintenance?
Mine wasn't DIY but it's something of a hybrid. Mixed genes and all that. Omnipole tank and installation, DI vessels from Omnipole and Essentially Pure, poles from Ionics, Omnipole and Gardiners. Merlin RO (static unit). I even got some pre-filters from someone who packed up. My system evolved and I already had some stuff by the time Omnipole installed the tank so it would have been silly not to use equipment I already had.
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I wouldn't buy a system today based on warranty's.....a 3 year warranty means nothing if these companies go under,and that is very likely to happen to some of the players in the market.
A diy system is the route many take including myself as you can source the parts easily from a variety of suppliers,and lets be honest what is there to go wrong....it pumps water up a pole.
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I wouldn't buy a system today based on warranty's.....a 3 year warranty means nothing if these companies go under,and that is very likely to happen to some of the players in the market.
A diy system is the route many take including myself as you can source the parts easily from a variety of suppliers,and lets be honest what is there to go wrong....it pumps water up a pole.
I imagine that some suppliers may go under. Might be some time lag behind the rest of the economy though as people with redundancy money and no immediate job prospects often turn to window cleaning. I suspect it's more us W/Cs who need to be a bit quick witted at the moment more so than suppliers.
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Also why do people assume that because it is a diy system then it will look crap.
Mine has a stainless steel frame made by a local engineering company,securely bolted to the chasis,pumps are mounted on the frame.The varistream controller is located on a 10mm perspex board that is inset into the frame and sign written with my company name.The battery is secure in the frame as well and has an intake for re-charging located in another panel that also houses the water inlet and outlet feeds.....
The cost of this system diy was considerably less than any other company....
Each to their own,but to me most people buy expensive systems for the name,you must be a complete fool not to be able to understand how to make a diy system so thats no excuse.
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Also why do people assume that because it is a diy system then it will look crap.
Mine has a stainless steel frame made by a local engineering company,securely bolted to the chasis,pumps are mounted on the frame.The varistream controller is located on a 10mm perspex board that is inset into the frame and sign written with my company name.The battery is secure in the frame as well and has an intake for re-charging located in another panel that also houses the water inlet and outlet feeds.....
The cost of this system diy was considerably less than any other company....
Each to their own,but to me most people buy expensive systems for the name,you must be a complete fool not to be able to understand how to make a diy system so thats no excuse.
Now that I've done occasional maintenance, so long as the tank was professionally installed, I could probably do the rest myself now - apart from the relay. So I guess that makes me only a partial fool ;D
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Competition time!
Things have moved on in the last few years and I’m not sure how differently I would do things… however starting now and only focusing on wash systems I wanted to ask which van mounted ready built system to use on commercial jobs would you rate as the best.
I’d like to get a feel for the top 3 systems that you use or have used.
Keep in mind the main parts such as the Tank, Filters, Pump, Hose, Brush and the Extra Bits that complete a system for you.
For my sins I have an Ionic Pro 5 but there is the streamline at Wintecs or the Inter Loc Tanks System from window cleaning warehouse and many many others.
So who is the best of the best?
Cheers
Mac
This question had nothing to do with DIY systems!
(Of course DIY well done will be more 'bespoke' and usually better value. The downside is the enormous time cost, a lot of window cleaners have more time than money which is why DIY is suits them. However there are also those running business who have less time to manufacture their own systems. I started off 8 years ago with a DIY system based around a bunch of Omnipole parts. Knowing what I now know I should have bought an Ionics Pro-5. I would have saved time, money and hassle. Admittedly in those days there were not such cheap components available and a lot less knowledge.)
Answering the original question "I wanted to ask which van mounted ready built system to use on commercial jobs would you rate as the best?" I would have to say:
Ionics in 1st place (crash tested only one so far)
Concept2o 2nd place (because it looks good -shallow I know!)
Brodex 3rd place (good water processing, not so sure about their restraint system safety)
All of the other contenders are really just posh DIY systems in my opinion. (for what it's worth)
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Competition time!
Things have moved on in the last few years and I’m not sure how differently I would do things… however starting now and only focusing on wash systems I wanted to ask which van mounted ready built system to use on commercial jobs would you rate as the best.
I’d like to get a feel for the top 3 systems that you use or have used.
Keep in mind the main parts such as the Tank, Filters, Pump, Hose, Brush and the Extra Bits that complete a system for you.
For my sins I have an Ionic Pro 5 but there is the streamline at Wintecs or the Inter Loc Tanks System from window cleaning warehouse and many many others.
So who is the best of the best?
Cheers
Mac
This question had nothing to do with DIY systems!
(Of course DIY well done will be more 'bespoke' and usually better value. The downside is the enormous time cost, a lot of window cleaners have more time than money which is why DIY is suits them. However there are also those running business who have less time to manufacture their own systems. I started off 8 years ago with a DIY system based around a bunch of Omnipole parts. Knowing what I now know I should have bought an Ionics Pro-5. I would have saved time, money and hassle. Admittedly in those days there were not such cheap components available and a lot less knowledge.)
Answering the original question "I wanted to ask which van mounted ready built system to use on commercial jobs would you rate as the best?" I would have to say:
Ionics in 1st place (crash tested only one so far)
Concept2o 2nd place (because it looks good -shallow I know!)
Brodex 3rd place (good water processing, not so sure about their restraint system safety)
All of the other contenders are really just posh DIY systems in my opinion. (for what it's worth)
They look good if your looking from the rear doors, from the side there just 2 tanks together and a arched silver front panel on the front with gadgets on, when i 1st say the concept 20 I thought it was one big handsome looking unit till i saw the side dooes open,
Chris
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I have to agree RWC. If I was actually buying the Concept2o would not really be considered as it is just a fancy back plate!
In reality if it was my money and I was starting out again with a low level of knowledge then I would buy a Pro-5, but I would wait until they had a £1000 cash back offer again.
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I have a 650 ltr Ionics.Still get pump and controller problems as you would with any other system. Quite rare but they do happen.Not a lot else to go wrong really is there??? Budget and looks are the the obvious main options. Unless you want the kudos that goes with Ionics!
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i dont get the time issue
Im currently doing a van mount , i will post the total amount of time its taken me, ( yes i am keeping a record of it )
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A Cleanitup-inspired DIY system.
With the knowledge I've gained here I could have all the bits ordered and built within a week. (Included a tank frame made up and fitted by the local forge or engineering company.)
I can cut bits of aluminium and put lettering on them if I want to mount my pump and controller in a posh way too. (Tho' I use raggedy edged ply of course! ;D)
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i dont get the time issue
Im currently doing a van mount , i will post the total amount of time its taken me, ( yes i am keeping a record of it )
Matt you must be finished by now with all that time you've had off ;D - need a hand?
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i dont get the time issue
Im currently doing a van mount , i will post the total amount of time its taken me, ( yes i am keeping a record of it )
Matt you must be finished by now with all that time you've had off ;D - need a hand?
;D ;D ;D ive honestly not been able to do much, i did make a start on the rear fixings on wednesday, ( i had to wait for the wife to empty the back of the van of the cart and all the 25 L barrels ), though i spent more time making a VIKAN even LIGHTER ;)
my flat van battery turned out to be a short on the rear speaker, i guess the dampness in the van didnt help it, so i have now ripped the stereo out and put the battery on charge ( it might be ok )