Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: trike on January 23, 2009, 06:56:36 am
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builders clean inside and out,they are hireing a cherrypicker,how much for this job,back is like front
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some more
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need to get quote in by monday,
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wow thats one hell of a clean init bust be worth a few zero`s how many rooms internallr
its very hard to say without looking round should keep you out the cold though 8)
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nice job
difficult without seeing it up close but at a guess 25 man days
Lots of hidden difficulty in a building like that, interior glass, stairwells, quality of trades etc, a lot will hinge on the foreman some of them can be very difficult on the paperwork side and cost you a lot of production yime as well.
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Make that 30 man days just had another look
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there are 126 flats
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at least a new BMW
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Hi,
I'd stick two or three guys on it and knock it ou in eight to ten days. Probably looking somewhere in the region of £5000.
Cheers.
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at least a new BMW
can you get bmw with three wheels
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Are you being asked just to clean the glass, or is it the cladding tiles as well, i worked on one like that in Leeds, where we had to literally power wash and then manually scrub each tile clean and then the glass as well.
Luckily we got extra cause we had to manually clean each tile, the contractor fined the tile cladding fitters for marking all the tiles.
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Are you being asked just to clean the glass, or is it the cladding tiles as well, i worked on one like that in Leeds, where we had to literally power wash and then manually scrub each tile clean and then the glass as well.
Luckily we got extra cause we had to manually clean each tile, the contractor fined the tile cladding fitters for marking all the tiles.
just phoned they said quote for both
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Do you do power washing?
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no,i havent cleaned anthing like this befor,its a big jump from doing houses,so any help how to get best results thanks
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They are hireing a cherry picker, that may not come with an operator, you may be required to operate it, ipaf trained etc, also i doubt you will have sole access to the cherry picker, as other trades will require it.
It really is a big job to take on and even try to price, i was only sub contracted to work on the one in leeds.
The windows we gave a once over with the power washer as we were doing the cladding, but they were covered in tape and sealent, all of which can be a right pain in the backside to get off, then we went back and did them trad.
The cladding we were only allowed to use soapy water and a scrubbing brush/yard brush to wash and then power wash off.
Looking at your pictures the site is open onto the public pavement/highway, this looks a bit of a night mare where h and s is concerned.
i know the guy i worked for got a real good price for the job, but i think he would quote more in future due to all the head aches you come across.
There will be people who specialise in this sort of job, you may quote cheaper than them, but you could end up regretting it.
Not trying to put you off, just an insight
Good luck with it
jason
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any idia on price
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Estimate how many days it will take you and multiply that against what you would want per day for doing that job considering the possible pro's and con's. And then i would add a hefty extra % on as a contingency fund for any extras.
really cant work out an any where near accurate price off pictures
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some more prices please
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If your not making really good money don't even bother cause it will always take longer than you think and unless all other trades have let site you will be backwards and forwards all day.
I would put 4 guys inside and 4 guys outside in two truck mounted access platforms, depending on the state of the cladding would hope to bang it out in a 2-3 days £6000.00 all in.
If your not used to doing this work be careful you need to have a lot of paper work and CSCS cards and CIS to work for builders and they don't normally tell you till its time to get paid and drag it out till you have all these things.
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all work men will have left site befor the start of the clean,what other paper work will i need
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should make it easier for you then
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thanks is thr price you say for glass and tiles aswell
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Are you in a competition for this work, if not err on the high side. I would put it in at £6000.00 plus any height access equipment hire (I know they say they have cherry picker but you will be sharing it so allow for your own if possible).
Tiles £ 3200.00 plus any additional costs
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they are asking for quotes so i think so,risk ass and method sta also required
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It may be too late now, but, have you thought of asking someone with experience of this type of work to go in with you (50/50) on this quote/job.
A problem shared is a problem halved.
Even if someone else provide the bulk of the labour force (75/25), you'd still get something out of it (including much needed experience).
And I don't mean me - I've no experience of such work and it looks terrifying!
Mike
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good idia,does anyone fancy goin 50/50 on this,if you can provide written quotation,risk assesment and method statment,i have three men to help aswell,this all needs to go in with quote,had a word with them today need quote in by friday at the very latest
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good idia,does anyone fancy goin 50/50 on this,if you can provide written quotation,risk assesment and method statment,i have three men to help aswell,this all needs to go in with quote,had a word with them today need quote in by friday at the very latest
You think risk assessments etc are needed? Have you asked? What insurance cover do they require? Do you have that cover?Have you visited the site? You cannot do a detailed risk assessment etc without seeing every aspect of the site and how it will be when the worki is carried out. If you get the job you will then have to check your RA to see if the layout etc is the same before you start. If not you will have to adjust the RA and get it signed off prior to commencement of work. cos if you don't and there is an accident of some sort, there will be big trouble! Seriously, good on you for having the chance to quote, but this is one hell of a big jump for you from domestics to a high end commercial and although the £signs may be flashing before your eyes it could turn out to be more expensive than you realise. Get some experienced help.
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need to get quote in by monday,
Trike unless you have a team of guys I would leave well alone.
Builders cleans can and are normally a nightmare, you get the rare easy one. they will more than likely tie you into a contract for the work, if you mess up dont do on time you will pay big time.
I would not quote a builders clean from a picture, I learnt that by mistakes in the past,
If you are asking these questions either you are ready do these and are trying to justify your quote or two you do not have a clue about builders cleans. if it is number 2 walk away and let someone else do it, or get someone to quote for you and sub it to them should you get the go ahead.
Just giving my honest opinion so please dont feel im having a pop.
Ian
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i think it is two big for me to handle,so if someone wants to quote it ill sub to them,ill stick to my domestic work
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were is i trike?
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its in liverpool.just out of town center,in a small not busy road
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trike
first big one, everyone has to have a first, go for it you have till friday to get everything sorted.
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trike
i will do it for £4500 + vat (I&O)
jerry
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treike i could meet up and look at it has a joint venture
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i think it is two big for me to handle,so if someone wants to quote it ill sub to them,ill stick to my domestic work
Trike please dont feel is was trying to make you feel bad, you keep trying m8 it is all good but something like this size if you have not done it could be a nightmare, and you seem a nice guy so I thought I would give my opinion brutle but honest.
Ian
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trike ignore the negative comments it’s over there head already. Take it as far as you can, it’s the only way to learn.
Go in with another window cleaner, but don’t be afraid to pull out anytime (before you sign anything).
Use the figure’s given here and do your own numbers.
Good luck,
Ewan, have you been taking something ??
point out whos head it is over please.......
You clearly know nothing about having a good business name pulling out is what you might do, but having experience in doing builders cleans I would say to Trike not to take on a job thats far to big for him work under someone maybe because he may well have a good name for himself and doing what you say would/could do real damage to him in the furture.
Are you trying to wind me up for some reason ?
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trike ignore the negative comments it’s over there head already. Take it as far as you can, it’s the only way to learn.
Go in with another window cleaner, but don’t be afraid to pull out anytime (before you sign anything).
Use the figure’s given here and do your own numbers.
Good luck,
Ewan, have you been taking something ??
point out whos head it is over please.......
You clearly know nothing about having a good business name pulling out is what you might do, but having experience in doing builders cleans I would say to Trike not to take on a job thats far to big for him work under someone maybe because he may well have a good name for himself and doing what you say would/could do real damage to him in the furture.
Are you trying to wind me up for some reason ?
Just a little Window washer, But that’s not my main intension trike’s dilemma is interesting and I do wish him the best.
But it is worth testing the water with new kinds of work even if you never end up actually doing it because you can still learn from it.
I did a new job recently everybody told me not to do it, so I did (spent a week biting my nails) everything turned out good in the end although I did have to go back to sub contracting. ;D
Ewan you make me laugh, has your mum not told you to turn off the pc/mac yet, or are you being a bad boy!
Can I ask you one thing and try and answer this question:
Have you left school yet ?
sub contracting a semi lol, I guess you are trying wind me up more, I fell for it, my mistake I should not lower myself, but seems I can help but get dragged in, my advice to Trike was in good intentions to him, I am all for saying try something new, but at the same time I would say do within your limits (that is people that have a good name for themselves) if you dont have a good name, try if you get sued then you will learn the hard way, if you pull it off result. Not the best way to run a business and defo not text book (as to my respondent, you could always listen to Ewan (See I spell your name correct, I am not 15 anymore!!!!)
I have to say SORRY TO TRIKE for this, but Ewan is on a wind up and it is working, what I say to you I would say face to afce and be honest with you.
something that Ewan has problems with (being honest and open)
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i think it is two big for me to handle,so if someone wants to quote it ill sub to them,ill stick to my domestic work
Trike please dont feel is was trying to make you feel bad, you keep trying m8 it is all good but something like this size if you have not done it could be a nightmare, and you seem a nice guy so I thought I would give my opinion brutle but honest.
Ian
no.i understand what your saying,i havent done a builders clean befor,so i wouildnt mind doing it with someone who knows what there doing,i can learn from that,thanks
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ring me on 07891143346 ta
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ignore the negative comments
They're not negative comments - they're 'sound advice' (a lot of it from people who've actually DONE big 'builder's cleans'). Get 'real', Ewan.
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no.i understand what your saying,i havent done a builders clean befor,so i wouildnt mind doing it with someone who knows what there doing,i can learn from that,thanks
That seems the sensible thing to do. Good luck. Let us all know if it works out for you.
Mike
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With reference to the external works - I would be interested in having a look at this - if you want to split it to internal & external.
Couple of questions - is this a residential area, what is the traffic like on the roads that skirt the building and what about the footfall during the day and at night??
Rob ;D
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Ewan
I amended my last post (slighty) - but too late, obviously.
I'm really not the kind of person who likes to insult people (unless they ask for it) so, in a more restrained manner, I am going to tell you what I do think of you.
YOU ARE AN 'ATTENTION SEEKER'
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With reference to the external works - I would be interested in having a look at this - if you want to split it to internal & external.
Couple of questions - is this a residential area, what is the traffic like on the roads that skirt the building and what about the footfall during the day and at night??
Rob ;D
hi rob,the job is inside and out,they want two quots one for all glass,other plus tiles.road is very quiet.not residential,its in town center,no football.night will be very quiet,your welcome to come and have a look,and see what you think,thanks
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Trike
Is the works everything that you can see in the photos. Would it suit you to let me deal with the external cleaning. I would be happy to work with you on it and then give you some time on working it out and the way we put risk/method statements together for the bigger works. You will get first hand experience of how we work.
I am going to Bradford tomorrow for Huw at Seerclean and may combine the two. Can you give me an address, with postcode of the works. Email me at r-mclean@btconnect.com. If not I will look at the works on Tuesday. If you want to meet up and go over together.
Is the area residential??
Rob ;D
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Trike
Is the works everything that you can see in the photos. Would it suit you to let me deal with the external cleaning. I would be happy to work with you on it and then give you some time on working it out and the way we put risk/method statements together for the bigger works. You will get first hand experience of how we work.
I am going to Bradford tomorrow for Huw at Seerclean and may combine the two. Can you give me an address, with postcode of the works. Email me at r-mclean@btconnect.com. If not I will look at the works on Tuesday. If you want to meet up and go over together.
Is the area residential??
Rob ;D
hi again rob,no not a residential area,it is all that is in pics,i havent taken any of back,i think its best for us to meet on tuesday if you can,that will be great thanks again
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trike rob is giving you a great offer there he has very experienced with this type of stuff as well , it would be pointless me giving you a bell has i know that rob is more experienced.
good luck with the quote
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Ronnie
I don't know what you have said or whether you have even spoken to Trike but I have no interest in the internal cleaning and if the works need bodies then he is going to need some help.
We are experienced in these things and I can see a plan for the cleaning but I wont be bringing loads of men, two of us would work those externals - from one platform and crack it out. There would be a large amount of work done over each day to finish it.
The problems I see will be on the internal cleaning and if we can all work together then we can get the job done and Trike can get some large works experience.
I know how long the external works will take, between the two of you do you have the resources to pull off the internals and are you going to take the internals on.
I am happy to have a drive up to Liverpool but don't want to waste my time, if it is going to come to nothing.
Rob ;D
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im sure i can provide the man power with trike for the internals, iv not spoken to him but if he replys and feels he needs the help for the internals i would be intrested.
i would also be intrested in seeing you in action when your more local(if this doesnt come off)
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as long as all paper work goes in and they agree with price,we can crack on with it,with the right help im happy to give it a go
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trike i will ring you tomorrow ;)
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I will ring you both tomorrow. Ronnie can you make it over there for Tuesday?
Rob ;D
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Ronnie
I don't know what you have said or whether you have even spoken to Trike but I have no interest in the internal cleaning and if the works need bodies then he is going to need some help.
We are experienced in these things and I can see a plan for the cleaning but I wont be bringing loads of men, two of us would work those externals - from one platform and crack it out. There would be a large amount of work done over each day to finish it.
The problems I see will be on the internal cleaning and if we can all work together then we can get the job done and Trike can get some large works experience.
I know how long the external works will take, between the two of you do you have the resources to pull off the internals and are you going to take the internals on.
I am happy to have a drive up to Liverpool but don't want to waste my time, if it is going to come to nothing.
Rob ;D
Nice one the work experience youll recieve if you get the job will be essential and could help you get more contracts in the future, Good luck Trike i hope you get it mate.
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hi rob did you go there today
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Trike
Sorry about not coming back to you.
Have you got an email address
Rob ;D
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hi rob,swindowcleaner@aol.com
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ronnie can you email me thanks
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trike you have mail
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thanks for all help.put quote in,see what happens