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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: stevegunn on March 15, 2005, 07:38:09 am
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Does anyone use Craftex chemicals for carpet cleaning reasonably priced.
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Hi Steve,
I've used little else for 20 years. On the odd occaision I've had to use Prochem or something similar but Craftex manufacture or supply virtually everything I need.
Regards
Nobby
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Hi steve i have been using craftex for the last five years ,a very nice company to deal with .Bob the boss is very helpful 10 out of 10 des
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When i lived in Dorset ,Craftex failed to deliver on time and as i only lived 40 miles away they sent my order by taxi Paul
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you changing your supplier Steve , thought you were well and truly hooked
Geoff
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I've used craftex products for 10 years,never had a problem with them ...excellant results on jobs, very good service,and don't moan much if i occasionally overlook their invoice !
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same here, have used craftex for 10 yrs plus, always helpful and everything at the right price, word on the street is that they are about to sell ms :-X
stu
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I've heard that too Stu, Craftex Microsplitter, competition is no bad thing eh? Seems like quite a few MS are appearing now I look forward to test driving them all in due course.
Nobby
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I doubt they can compete with solutions on price ::)
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I bet they can!
Nobby
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yep cant disagree. Great company. Always deliver on time. Good prices. Cheapest vac motors around and they've lasted me years so far.
Chris
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THey cant be cheaper than Woodbridge for vac motors.
I saw an advert which said carriage free for Crafrex is this correct, as they also stock other makes of chemicals
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Ian,
Carriage is free over £40 + vat (I think I remember right)
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Craftex have now launched their own microsplitter £11.95 per 5 litres. £2.95 half litre RTU spotter. I did a blind test with 2 other brands and this one came out best!
Nobby
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But its still more expensive as solutions which is 49.99 for 25 litres
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Just spoke to Craftex, their MS, just launched today, consists of only one product for all carpet types, dilution ratio of 1:5 for heavy soiling, 1:19 for standard soiling, pH 8.4, they are claiming that it is woolsafe.
Spotter is basically 1:5 dilution in a spray bottle.
Price £11.95 /5 ltr postage free over £40.00
01823 332696
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The label reads 'safe for use on wool' I don't think it's 'Woolsafe'.
This product sells for £11.95 per 5 litres and Solutions No 2 is £17.62, how many cleaners buy 25 litre drums?
Nobby
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Nobby, sorry you're probably right, that was just my interpretation of what they said, there was no claim that it was Woolsafe approved.
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Ian
No problem, it's a fine line between 'safe on wool' and 'woolsafe' but quite an important one!!
Regards
Nobby
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Hi Guys,
I have just spoken tom Jason , the product is safe to use on wool but not 'Woolsafe ' approved as none of Craftex products are submitted for testing.
Price is £47.80 for 4 x 5 litres , delivered.
Cheers,
Doug
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Let the price war begin :D
I think Bio safe is the cheapest at the moment -46.99 delivered.
http://www.worldofclean.co.uk/shop/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi?usr=50X9643386&rnd=5859482&rrc=N&cip=81.76.7.204&catstr=HOME:Chemicals:&pg=cat&ref=BioSafecat
Just noticed thats plus vat so Craftex is indeed the cheapest.
Mark
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solution no2
25litre 9.99 per 5 litres !!!!
Best regards Nick
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Can anyone post the telephone number for craftex, looks like there worth a look.
joe
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They dont advertise very well ??? I ordered overshoes last week, I asked for a catalogue and details of all there products but recieved only a catalogue identical to the one I got from them a year ago :-[
Paul
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Paul,
Maybe this years catalogue hasn't been printed yet.
Phil
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Maybe Phil, I was looking forward to seeing lots of new stuff :'(
Paul
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Hi Nobby
Forgive me but microsplitting has now moved on. I for one will be using the new microsplitter called Allergstop. this one give your customers a little more. Why use one product that only does one thing when you can get the same one that does more?
As in all things people will copy, but they are alway one step behind.
Respect....................... Ian Harper
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Ian,
I couldn't agree more, we must give the customer what they want (or maybe what we want them to have?!). I must look at Allergstop as I don't know much about it.
Thanks
Nobby
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Hi Guys,
The Craftex product is called Microsplit and is £47.80 + vat delivered for 4x 5l.
Interstingly there is only one product which is recommended 1:5 for prespotting , 1:10 for general microsplitting and 1:20 as a prespray .
Has anyone tried Biosafe and if so how did it perform?
Cheers,
Doug
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Hi Doug,
I tested Biosafe, One Step and No2 and there's not much if anything between them.
Regards
Nobby
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i tried craftex microsplit 2day for 1st time, diluted 1/20 and wow it was brill, cleaned 2 carpets with another make and ran out so cleaned last carpet with the craftex one and can honestly say seemed to get a better result, all 3 carpets were the same with the same amount of soiling. Time will tell of course but for now very happy with product.
stu
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Doug,
Just picking up on your comments about Microsplit being the only product Craftex are producing and using it 1:5 for spotting and up to 20:1 for pre spray I think you'll find that's the case with other brands they're just marketed with different names ie No 2 and No 3 etc.
Regards
Nobby
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Nobby
I suggest you get your facts straight before commenting on a subject you quiet obviously know nothing about, No2 and No3 are totally different products and definately NOT just differing dilution.
Micro splitting has now moved on
Regards Nick
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nobby
job done with allergstop. the first allergyfree pub in the UK
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mmmmm!
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Ian,
You bought the hard surface treatment also ?
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Nobby
Got a great USP for Craftex
"Craftex riding on the tail winds of allergstop" :)
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Sorry if this is posted twice, I've just sent a reply which hasn't been posted so I'll try again.
Sincere aplogies to Nick if I've caused offence or misled anyone, I thought your reply and pm a tad harsh though Nick.
My comment was simply based on the information printed on the 1 litre bottle of No 2 that I have which states:
"(No 2) is also available as a ready to use spotter (SOLUTION Nr3)"
I read that as meaning they were the same product, I obviously misunderstood it. It is not my intention to mislead or offend anyone, if I have then again please accept my apologies.
Respectfully
Nobby
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Nobby
Thank you
Regards Nick
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So,
What does the new wonder product cost and what benefits does it have over the many other products in the market in terms of cleaning ability, which is what most c/c's are really interested in, at the end of the day.
r m
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I am glad that solution no 2 and 3 things cleared up, as I thought they were the same product in different dilutes, as the product data safety sheets are the same!! or maybe that's changed?
Microsplitting wars!!! LOL.....
Now someones going to have to invent something totally unique again.... ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Guys ,
Although it does say on the Solution No.2 bottle ,
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'Solution Nr .2
Carpet and Upholstery Cleaner is a highly effective universal
cleaner that can be used with all cleaning systems.Also available as a ready to use spotter(Solution Nr 3)'
Nick is adamant that it is in fact a seperate product and we must respect that.
However an easy mistake to make and one which I have made myself in the past.
Maybe it has not been translated correctly.
On the Craftex microsplit I used some today, on a carpet which was adjacent to one I cleaned last week, with Sol2 with very similar results.
It is obviously in the interest of us carpet cleaners to have a range of suppliers competing on both price and quality as this keeps the quality up and the price down.
When I was in R&D a significant part of the job was trying to make sure we had alternatives for all our suppliers in case of fire etc.
Cheers,
Doug
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Hi Guys
So let me get this right what everyone is saying that cheap is good?
I know that if i look at something its value that i look for.
if cheap was the only way a company would only be around until a cheaper one comes along.
not good just think about it!
would you like your customer know that you bought your products on this basis?
advancement comes from taking a product and improving it. ok at first it might be more expensive, but again if its improved then its offering you more.
if you arec smart you would think before you spent out all that money producing a product that it had a edge over the compertion. if this product is better what makes it better? its not its the same. and nothing but spin.
Respect............................. Ian Harper
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Ian, theres a spelling mistake under your picture ;)
I always wondered if I ran out of solutions if I could get a bottle of spotter and water it down and use it as a pre-spray.
Mike
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Ian,
We all try different products to see if they are any good.
Obviously if two products give identical performance and one is 20 % cheaper than the other, then most people will use the cheaper one.
This is what happened , broadly with One step and Solutions I believe.
When I was in selling we didn't have cheap products just low cost ;)
I clean to the best quality I can as I'm sure most on here do and chemical cost is a small but significant factor.
If someone comes out with a product which cleans better/quicker then obviously cost is less important.
Cheers,
Doug
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Nobby
An old fashioned company who hasn’t got a computer! coming up with Microsplit? Is it the same as the wolf with bit and bobs added?
Len
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Hey good point Len
How do they reciprocate nano-technology without having any technology themselves.
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Hi all
i read label same as Nobby, whats difference then ?
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Lee
Don’t know but if were me I would nick the formula in some guise, but then I have a computer!
Too much of morg and mindy nano nano the boat has sailed on to new things!
Len
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Hi All,
Does anyone know of a website for Craftex.
Think I need to give their stuff a try at these prices.
Paul
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Paul,
Craftex do not have a web site which is a bit suprising in this day and age.
Having said that it amazes me how many supplier web sites are out of date or just do not give the relevant info.
I have used Craftex Microsplit which seems to give good results within the limitations of these type of products.
Cheers,
Doug
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Cheers Doug.
Guess I'll have to go back to the dark ages and use that contraption known as the telephone!
Grrrrr
Paul
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Can anyone post the telephone number for craftex, looks like there worth a look.
joe
[/craftex phone no 01823 332696 great co.
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Cheers bcc it took long enough for somebody to put some numbers together.
joe
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have you found the same as me, for instance a dirty ground in cotton / polyester suite, I use o*e st*p, it will get the dirt out, but not the greasy soil ::)... 1- 8 with agitation
Cheers Paul
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Are Craftex owners not members of the Plymouth Brethren? If this was the case that would be why they do not use computers etc.
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Please excuse my ignorance, but why will the Plymouth Brethern not use computers?
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What I find strange about lots of supply companies in this business is they make little effort to pursade you to buy their products.
Maybee they target the big spenders through info gained from Cleaning mags.
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As far as I am aware they use the minimum of technology so as not to disrupt gods messages.
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I cleaned an office carpet last year for a supply company, they also have, religious beliefs, and no computers, did have very nice cars though! EVERY ONE TO THE OWN!
Len
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Craftex have a new product which ...........Cleans / Sanitises / Deodorises / Protects.........all at once.
For use with Thermal Rotary Systems.
r m
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Does it have TRICLOSAN in?
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Intended phoning today, but only got home about 9-30pm
the advert was in a trade mag' with no technical data
I hope to phone them tomorrow
r m
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So what about the triclosan then does this product have it in. I understand that some craftex products have this in.
Triclosan has recently been banned due to the fact that it has been found to be carcenagenic ( excuse the spelling if it's wrong)
Correct me if im wrong!
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I think you're correct, I understand that Triclosan, commonly found in toothpaste, has been banned. I am not aware that Craftex use this bactericide though, it is not in Catalyst which I think is the product referred to above.
Regards
Nobby
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Are you saying that it is in bactoshield Steve?
Surely if a chemical is banned then its use in any other products would be prohibited also!
Cheers Goron
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My god,
I mention a new product which I came accross purely by accident and a witch hunt ensues.
I can't imagine any company bringing a new product to the market which would fail to meet current legislation.
If you know so much C/ K you will be aware that all products brought to the cleaning marketplace must comply with H & S legislation and when you make an initial purchase, you are supplied with the relative COSHH data.
I don't believe any UK company, is likely to bring out a new product, without it meeting current legislation, do you ?
The product is Catalyst
What's the paranoia all about anyway ?
This is a Craftex thread and I mention an advert from a trade publication, just as a matter of interest following the slightly less than flattering comments about their operation and someone starts raving.....
You sound like a primary school teacher c / k
r m
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isnt it better to know all the facts, and see the whole picture?? ::)
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Hi All
Goron is correct to point this out to us as this is what forums are for ;)
How it can be called paranoia ??? your out or order!!
I see the twits oh sorry mean twins are doing members heads in again. It a shame one can not think with out the other ;D ;D ;D
Regards Gavin
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In response to the query by C / K who asked if the Craftex product contained Triclosan .................
No, IT DOES NOT and apparently, it's actually been around for about three years...................
Was brought out, for bonnet mopping systems, which utilised heat, but is, apparently also effective, cold...........
Craftex will shortly be launching something new, which sounds very interesting.
Thank you to C/K, for prompting me to speak to a company I'd no previous dealings with, as this might just be the catalyst, a group of us have been seeking.
Gavin
I see no comment on this thread from Ron King and what exactly was it Goron ' was pointing out '
Decided to delete further comments
r m
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Triclosan, a chemical used for its antibacterial properties, is an ingredient in many detergents, dish-washing liquids, soaps, deodorants, cosmetics, lotions, anti-microbial creams, various toothpastes, and an additive in various plastics and textiles. However, the safety of triclosan has been questioned in regard to environmental and human health. While the companies that manufacture products containing this chemical claim that it is safe, the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has registered it as a pesticide. The chemical formulation and molecular structure of this compound are similar to some of the most toxic chemicals on earth, relating it to dioxins and PCBs. The EPA gives triclosan high scores both as a human health risk and as an environmental risk.
Triclosan is a chlorophenol, a class of chemicals which is suspected of causing cancer in humans. Externally, phenol can cause a variety of skin irritations, but since it can temporarily deactivate sensory nerve endings, contact with it may cause little or no pain. Taken internally, even in small amounts, phenol can lead to cold sweats, circulatory collapse, convulsions, coma and death. Additionally, chlorinated hydrocarbon pesticides can be stored in body fat, sometimes accumulating to toxic levels. Long term exposure to repeated use of many pesticide products can damage the liver, kidneys, heart and lungs, suppress the immune system, and cause hormonal disruption, paralysis, sterility and brain haemorrhages.
Dioxins, PCBs, chlorophenols and many pesticides are categorized as persistent organic pollutants. In other words, they persist in the environment and accumulate to higher and higher concentrations with each step up the food chain. Virtually, every creature on earth has a measured amount of these pollutants in its body fat. Once absorbed into the fat cells, it is nearly impossible to eliminate these compounds. Triclosan is among this class of chemicals, and humans are among the animals at the top of the food chain. The health risks are considerable.
Employing a strong antibiotic agent such as triclosan for everyday use is of questionable value. Many antimicrobial treatments are toxic and take a shotgun approach to killing all microscopic organisms to which they are applied. However, this approach includes the risk of toxicity to host organisms, that is, the plants or animals (including humans) exposed to treatment for microbial infections. Toxic exposure to living creatures can also occur when food items and objects such as utensils or hard surfaces are treated with disinfectants for microbial contamination. Additionally, the shotgun approach destroys the beneficial bacteria which occur naturally in the environment and in our bodies. These so-called friendly bacteria cause no harm and often produce beneficial effects such as aiding metabolism and inhibiting the invasion of harmful pathogens. Anti-microbial formulas and disinfectants can also cause genetic mutations resulting in drug-resistant bacterial and mutant viruses, producing new strains of harmful microbes for which the human immune system has no defence.
Triclosan has not been completely tested and analyzed for all health and environmental risks, but since it occurs in the category of the chemicals which are known to have the detrimental effects described here, do you want it added to products you use every day?
THIS IS WHAT I FOUND. I DO BELIEVE THAT SOME OF CRAFTEX'S CHEMICALS CONTAIN THIS PRODUCT. I'M ONLY REPEATING WHAT I HAVE HEARD
THANKS GORON
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Really,what is the point of this Goron?
You may have a genuine concern for the public, but that, quite frankly is not the way you're coming accross.
I have clarifed your original point concerning the product known as Catalyst, which I thought was new and of interest to many c/c's, only to discover, it's been around for 3 years.
Spoke to Craftex who confirmed that Catalyst does NOT contain Triclosan and he is sending the relevent data.
That, is the end of the story, as far as I'm concerned'
You are getting yourself into murky waters, if you publicly condemn, create suspicion, make insiuations about products.
I have never criticised, any products, on here, although I have occasionally suggested alternatives, or different approaches..........always with a view to stimulating debate.
nuff said, for now
r m
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You are getting yourself into murky waters, if you publicly condemn, create suspicion, make insiuations about products.
I have not done any of the above.
I have a genuine concern. not just for the public but for my fellow carpet cleaners.
I was of the understanding that one or some of craftex products contained triclosan and as i said earlier "correct me if i'm wrong."
Surely if there is a possibility of a problem then everybody should be made aware of it. Take the sudan food colouring for instance.
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Hi Guys,
Am I the only person confused by this .
Someone mentions a new product and immediately several people zoom in with comments about Triclosan, whatever that is.
It's like someone is priming people to react.
What have Craftex done to stimulate this response?
Cheers,
Doug
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Agreed Doug,
I would be interested to read about this product.
Its boring 'wading' through the bickering and thread hijacking going on. In some ways its a shame some of the larger manufactures dont come on here and post. It would certainly stop the amount of guessing going on.
All I wanna know is - does is do what it says on the tin, and can it save/make me money ;)
This forum needs a 'chill pill' sometimes.
Mark
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It strikes me if your into Allerg-stop you'll slag off craftex
If you tried their products . You will find they are Excellent.
Over the years i've tried several different companies products.
This is why i buy my chemicals from lots of different suppliers,
I cherry pick the best particular product for each scenario.
The vast majority of chemicals i use come from Craftex. Not through
Blind predjudice, but because when compared to loads of other products
my considered opinion is that they are the best for what i want them to do!!!
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Hi Guys,
Am I the only person confused by this .
Someone mentions a new product and immediately several people zoom in with comments about Triclosan, whatever that is.
It's like someone is priming people to react.
What have Craftex done to stimulate this response?
Cheers,
Doug
It confuses me too, Doug!
With regard to Marks comments about larger manufacturers (and in fact larger carpet cleaning organisations) I think a lot of people would be surprised if they knew who a lot of the members, that don't ever post, actually were.
Larger manufacturers understand that a lot of what is posted here is subjective and they realise that getting involved is simply an opportunity for someone to have a go. It doesn't matter what you say there is always someone who will disagree with you.
Goron, I have to say that I agree with RM's post, whether intentional or not, you have now created a suspicion that at least one of their products contains triclosan! What prompted you to make the comment in the first place?
Regards
Mike