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Title: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: M FORBES LTD on January 08, 2009, 10:23:36 pm
Need help
Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: chrisyg on January 08, 2009, 10:33:26 pm
whats your water pressure? If you dont have enough to push the water thru the permeable mebrane, most will go as waste!

also ensure you dont have a ex frozen system which has a crack in it..
Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: M FORBES LTD on January 08, 2009, 11:01:03 pm
50 psi              no cracks all ways inside never been near frost, thanks for reply
Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: chrisyg on January 08, 2009, 11:14:19 pm
Im sure the merlin needs about 80psi to work properly, i'll check the manual.
Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: chrisyg on January 08, 2009, 11:17:00 pm
check this

http://www.merlin-ro.co.uk/pdfs/MerlinBrochure.pdf

page 7, its shows the graph of temperature to pressure its what near 5 degrees in the garage, shed, van? So on the graph thats really poor, you need about 80 psi. You may need a booster pump in cold temps.
Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: M FORBES LTD on January 08, 2009, 11:35:01 pm
thanks,   seems i need a booster pump,  also a flow restrictor,  wher edo i get one of those?
Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: chrisyg on January 09, 2009, 09:25:50 am
thanks,   seems i need a booster pump,  also a flow restrictor,  wher edo i get one of those?

RO man is a likely option.
Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: jsm on January 09, 2009, 02:57:06 pm
you may need to change your sediment filter - product slows down alot when it needs changing

you dont need a pump -

what you do is --

 you get more product if you downsize the tubing on the wast pipe ( black ) I run it into some 5-6mm tubing of about 5 mtrs . Thats your DIY flow restricter

you double your output this way .
water presure I just use straight from the tap .

Ill stick some pics on tomorrow of it  to show you
Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: East coast window cleaning Services on January 09, 2009, 03:53:01 pm
mine used to work well at 70 psi but the waste must have been something stupid like 4 to 1
Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: jsm on January 10, 2009, 11:11:17 am
Try this on your waste pipe , it put more back pressure giving you more pure product - only costs a few quid .

Ive had my merlin set up like this about 3 years now and still work great .

Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: clean on January 10, 2009, 11:14:16 am
John (jsm) how may litres an hour are you producing ?  ;)
Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: biggs on January 10, 2009, 08:22:45 pm
which one is the sediment filter , mines been running 50/50 for six months but now its 75/25 in favour of waste . how do you know if its not the resin and when its time to change the resin , water pressure about 70 tds about 120 any info cheers  :) :) ??? ???
Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: jsm on January 11, 2009, 11:48:19 am
which one is the sediment filter , mines been running 50/50 for six months but now its 75/25 in favour of waste . how do you know if its not the resin and when its time to change the resin , water pressure about 70 tds about 120 any info cheers  :) :) ??? ???


your top one is the sediment filter - you will notice a drop in flow when you need to change , just like you have now .


resin change - TOP tip i found with the merlin is not to run it through a DI at the same time when you have the merlin on .
As the merlins pumps out fast i was finding i was eating up resin and changing/ renewing every month as it dosnt get time to do it's thing .

What I now do is run the merlin straight into a 1000 IBC tank - then pump it into the van tank , then I let the van pump the water through the DI and then through the hose and out the brush.
I have been doing it this way now for 7 months and still on the same resin !!!  the slower flow from the van pump gives the water more time to pure itself .

Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: biggs on January 11, 2009, 07:23:15 pm
thanks john thats  much appreciated info .will try that with the d i vessell :) ;)
Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: Chameleon on January 11, 2009, 07:34:37 pm
Try this on your waste pipe , it put more back pressure giving you more pure product - only costs a few quid .

Ive had my merlin set up like this about 3 years now and still work great .


JSM (John I believe, correct me if I am wrong!) ;)
This is the most fascinating post I have read this(and last) year! :)
Thank you very much for this info!
I was going to get rid of my Merlin due to the waste!
Brilliant, pure and simple!
Could you tell me where to get those connections/valve etc
Many thanks in advance!
Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: Chameleon on January 11, 2009, 08:02:04 pm
I hope you don't mind I was so impressed with this I have posted it on another forum (ACS) 8)
 a lot of people on this forum are on that one as well!
Mods I hope you don't mind... only sharing valuable info :)
Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: jsm on January 11, 2009, 08:15:20 pm
John (jsm) how may litres an hour are you producing ?  ;)

Ill let you all know next time i fill the 1000 ibc.

I got  the reducer from a plumbing store

I found it out by chance as i used to run a 300 gallen Ro from ro -man and had the wast plumbed in to the sink waste. When i got the merlin i just plumbed it in to that .
When i moved i set it up with just the black pipe and started to get crap flow like 4-1 waste, then moved the merlin away from the drain so put the green pipe back so i could reach the drain - WOW back to how it was .

Like i say dont put a DI on the merlin - when Dan at DSB and i had our two vans filling up from mine I was changing resin weekly - stick the DI after the van pump and save a packet  8) like pic below.

just had a look on ro-man and i think this is it - http://www.ro-man.com/shop/product_info.php/cPath/286_49_76/products_id/121
plus dont forget your 5mtrs of green tubing like i have in pic



 
Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: Chameleon on January 11, 2009, 08:57:38 pm
cheers, I am going to try the di resin in the van now as well!
Thanks for the tip!
regards Steve 8)
Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: East coast window cleaning Services on January 11, 2009, 09:02:08 pm
which one is the sediment filter , mines been running 50/50 for six months but now its 75/25 in favour of waste . how do you know if its not the resin and when its time to change the resin , water pressure about 70 tds about 120 any info cheers  :) :) ??? ???


your top one is the sediment filter - you will notice a drop in flow when you need to change , just like you have now .


resin change - TOP tip i found with the merlin is not to run it through a DI at the same time when you have the merlin on .
As the merlins pumps out fast i was finding i was eating up resin and changing/ renewing every month as it dosnt get time to do it's thing .

What I now do is run the merlin straight into a 1000 IBC tank - then pump it into the van tank , then I let the van pump the water through the DI and then through the hose and out the brush.
I have been doing it this way now for 7 months and still on the same resin !!!  the slower flow from the van pump gives the water more time to pure itself .



Really  ??? ???
my water pressure was 70psi tds going in 425, My setup was water first goes through to 10" carbon filters then through the merlin then through a 11ltr di vessell into my 1000ltr ibc tanks. i had this setup for 14 months and changed the 10" filters twice and the resin once, Always had ooo tds.
Title: Re: my merlin is now doing 4 to 1 waste WHY
Post by: M FORBES LTD on October 13, 2009, 11:59:35 pm
sorry i never thanked you, this looks great cheers