Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Goldfinch PCS on January 04, 2009, 05:15:14 pm
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Hello Guys
30,000 sq.ft. commercial office space, Birmingham City Centre, they want it deep clean, not bonnet, what's an average price per square foot? I am using a custom built portable.
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£1000 but might go down to £850
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come on now, £1000 per square foot? I am a carpet cleaner just never bothered with the commercial side.
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£1000 for the lot
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Hi Guys
There is no definitive answer.
I would go with anything from 3000 - 6000 depending on soiling, who it was, my relationship with them etc.
Cheers
Doug
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My commercial price is £1.90 a Square metre.
So £5297.39 , i would then offer a discount for
being in excess of 1500 SqM. So would round
down to £5000.
This is my usual price, and never varies.
Yet to be turned down on commercial jobs.
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Pure hydro cleaners, your website quotes prices
very similar to mine, so how you can possibly come
up with a figure of £1000, which is 3.33p sqft baffles me.
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About £4880.75 no vat plus the hire of a bog standard Polaris or supernova, would need to see job for logistics so the price could rise. Two days work profit 4k not bad now I know why I like commercial.
Len
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Pure hydro cleaners, your website quotes prices
very similar to mine, so how you can possibly come
up with a figure of £1000, which is 3.33p sqft baffles me.
I have quoted on jobs like this in the past, yet I have priced them at 50p per sq yard, and I have been under-cut.
The prices on my web site are mainly for the domestic and light business market, but with a job like this which can be cleaned in 2 days then a daily rate would be a better figure to work with imo, and an extra £1000 is most welcome.
I have come across companies that go down to 25p per sq yard, and these are restuarant cleans ???
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If Pure Hydro's quote is in fact for extraction cleaning, then if I were you Golfinch PCS, I would quote the customer £3500 and sub the work out... everyone's a winner!
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If Pure Hydro's quote is in fact for extraction cleaning, then if I were you Golfinch PCS, I would quote the customer £3500 and sub the work out... everyone's a winner!
God bless you ;D
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About £4880.75 no vat
;D
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What is it in sq m?
About 2,850?
2 days work with a porty, I dont think so.
7 days maybe 8 @ 8 hours a day.
£2 a sq m = £5700 = approx £4500 profit over 8 days = £562 per day = £70 an hour which is after tax.
1425 sq m a day bet even with a TM you wouldn't do it in 2 days.
John
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2787.091 square metres... ish ;D
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honestly, a job that size I would not wanting to do by myself, no even with TM. Soul destroying.
also, I lost a 2000sq yd quote in at £1.2 per sq yd
so at that rate even £3500 would be looking dodgy.
All depends who is going for it and what price they put in.
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Would be soul destroying as you would have to do it out of hours on your own.
Unless it's empty but you would still be on your own.
John
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Of course you lost that job at 1.20 sq M Joe.
Most commercials just won't pay that.
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My commercial price is £1.90 a Square metre.
So £5297.39 , i would then offer a discount for
being in excess of 1500 SqM. So would round
down to £5000.
This is my usual price, and never varies.
Yet to be turned down on commercial jobs.
Some do.
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Glynn
What would you go in at ?
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It would have to be under £1 p/m Joe. Don't forget you can eat this work with a Truckmount.
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If you can get access for a TM.
How many sq m an hour of grubby office carpet can be reasonably done by a TM? Roughly.
John
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100sq meters
derek
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We do 500 sq M of trashed office carpet with a Maxx470 and RX20 in 3 hours. Finished product is mint and dry where we started.
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To do a really top job with a portable would take 95 hours at 35 sq yds per hour using a combination cleaning system, which is the only way of cleaning dirty office carpet to a standard that the client will accept. (most of these people are extremely fussy about the finished product so get it right first time is the only way of making sure you get paid for all your hard work)
To do it with a twin capable Truck Mount would take a mere 11 hours. Who says a TM doesn't pay for itself a zillion times over? ;D
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To do a really top job with a portable would take 95 hours at 35 sq yds per hour using a combination cleaning system, which is the only way of cleaning dirty office carpet to a standard that the client will accept. (most of these people are extremely fussy about the finished product so get it right first time is the only way of making sure you get paid for all your hard work)
To do it with a twin capable Truck Mount would take a mere 11 hours. Who says a TM doesn't pay for itself a zillion times over? ;D
are yes just wied the big fella up with two rx20 eatting carpets like they werent there sounds like a plan ! ;D
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a truck-mount and 2 workers plus an rx20 can do around 100sq mtrs an hour comfortably so that works out to something like 27 hours, no chance with a porty, sorry
colin
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So is it 100 or 170??
John
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on average
glyn says 170
i say 100
colin says100 with 2 workers so say 50 with 1
so average is 50 +170+100 devided by 3 = 106.66666666666666666
hows that sound?
derek
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100, 166, 170 whatever.
A lot depends on the machine, it's recovery power, can it keep uo & maintain 240 F continuosly . Heat makes all the difference.
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So basically if you are up against a dual wand TM with Rxs you are bugrd, but that's not always the case and some people will wand all night with a portable if circumstances permit.
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Granted TM's are quicker but only if there's access to use them.
Could you use them on say the 15th floor?
I know some can do up to 200m but is this reduced with the height factor?
John
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Your only pushing the solution up (which ain't much), suck probably better vert than horiz.
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i think glynn suggested a twin capable tm, that is a tm that has 2 solution outlets and 2 vac outlets so you COULD have 2 x 2man teams working from one machine, that would be very quick
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Granted TM's are quicker but only if there's access to use them.
Could you use them on say the 15th floor?
I know some can do up to 200m but is this reduced with the height factor?
John
15th floor easy and 200m is just playing around i seen them working well with 7 times that amout of pipe again its all down to how big the t.m. is and what power it will work at
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We had one commercial customer who rang us regarding a quote for cleaning 1500 f2 of office carpet, we went along very smartly and quoted £240 and explained it would take around 3-4hrs. We didn’t get the job as they thought it was too much. :o
One month later they called our sister business regarding TV Interference in the canteen and wanted it sorting regardless of cost. We charged them £385.00 to turn the Ariel slightly on the side wall ( The wind broke the bracket), re-tune and fit a new fixing bracket, this job took 20mins!!.
We got a round of applause when we went back into the building.
Matt
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Don't forget we are only carpet cleaners. ::)
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Granted TM's are quicker but only if there's access to use them.
Could you use them on say the 15th floor?
John
15th floor easy and 200m is just playing around i seen them working well with 7 times that amout of pipe again its all down to how big the t.m. is and what power it will work at
Blimy Susan, thats some distance
7 times 200metre, thats 1400 metre, is 4200 feet and a bit more. :o
What will Simons Titan do ......... over to Glynn..... or anyone.
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think susan thought they meant feet joe, i may be wrong though. 800 ft's a good distance for any trucky so 1400 ft would be maxxed i reckon.
derek
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I cant figure out why this business is so hard to find, obtain and retain work. I know the results and modern cleaning systems are fantastic, I also know for a fact that there are millions of dirty carpets and upholstery out there which is why I choose to branch into this. Its almost like a curse holding us back, its very strange.
On the areal side of things the phone just rings and rings all day long and we even have messages left at 1am onwards. Seriously, that is what a normal business is like and that’s how it should be. Where is the sense in 2 calls a day and trying to talk an old woman into having a rug cleaned for £45.00 only to be told she’s not bothered, but next week she is more than willing to pay £8000 for a stair lift and a new car.
Carpet and upholstery cleaning is a great business but the demand for it SUCKS!
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I like reading your posts Matt cus you tell it like it is. :)
Good post.
Trick is you have to avertise ALOT in this business another reason your prices have to be high.
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Mike
I’m always smiling as I get that type of work, depends how you measure it. And it’s not always TM work.
Len
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Matt I can't understand why you bother with carpet cleaning all you do is slag it off and tell us how brilliant aerials are,
seems a bit daft to me ::) if its crap don't do it!
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Re: the demand for Carpet cleaning sucks. Ive seen it estimated on forums that the percentage of domestic users of professional CC's, at higher than 20%. This is way over the top. The truth is, it is nowhere near that and I wouldnt be surprised if it were nearer 5%. It comes way down in the list of priorities to most people, and they just dont have a clue. I recently had a custy asking if my tm would do a better job than her hiring a machine?! Sometimes you just dont know what to say.
Dave.
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The thing is most people will put up with a dirty carpet but not a broken telly as the latter keeps you amused and whiles away the long dark nights.
How many times do you hear "well I was going to get it done ages ago but......"?
If the TV goes down then you want it fixed pronto it's all a list of lifes priorities we as cleaners are down the list some what.
Shaun
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dave-lee
you challenge them.
you clean one half and they clean the other, if they can't tell the diff, then you pay for the hire of the rug doctor, if they can tell the diff, they pay for the rug doctor and the price of your clean, plus 50% for p1ssing you about and being stupid.
derek
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But Derek when there is such a prize involved the customer will see what they want to believe.
Shaun
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just trail a bottle of red across both halves shaun, watch them soil there knickers. ;D
derek
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I've done enough of that myself in the last fortnight so I may give it a miss.
Shaun
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Back to the original question.
30000 ft sq is a square approx 40 x 70m. Or approximately 1/3 of a football pitch. But we have so little other info to go on. Is it a clear area or with lots of obstacles and spread over several floors. How bad is it? Is there any chewing gum? Would a tm need to refill?
How certain are you of getting paid?
Personally I wouldn't even bother with the job-it's way too big for me to start with a porty-just filling and emptying my porty would be a nightmare and as Joe Hatton said it would be sole destroying. I think somebody mentioned elsewhere, pass it onto somebody else who has the where-with-all to undertake such a job comfortably on the forum and take a cut of the agreed price.
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Sorry for correcting you Dr but it's actually about 70% of a football field.
Which when you think about it isn't that big.
And about 15% - 20% of that will not be available for cleaning anyway if it's a working office due to immovable office furniture, computers etc.
Even if Susan meant feet that's 1400ft which I think is beyond the capabilities of a TM.
John
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good post matt at last an honest opinion.
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Talked them out of the wet cleaned, they were just ped off with their current contractor because he wasn't doing the deep clean as he was suppose to so the place looked a bit poop. So, I have programmed two deep clean and two traffic area clean so they get a clean every quarter. That seem like a treat, they loved the idea.
Just awaiting the nod.
Thanks for all the response guys
PS - I am going in at £0.25 per square foot.
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£7500! :o
every quarter! :o
or is that for all 4 cleans?
derek
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£2.60 per sq m nice price.
John
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Thats a v good deal you have got there mate :)
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I cannot believe there is any company in this country, or elsewhere willing, or able, to shelve out £30 k to get their carpets cleaned.
They could proably replace them for less.
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Super deal , Nice touch ;D
Ricky
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Hi
EnviroDri 90m an hour, 200m if you dbl them up.
Sorted
Regards
Martin 8)
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So what would you charge Martin, for around 12 - 15 hours work ?
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Got the biggest grin on my face today been given the wink on 3 contracts X twice a year, plus the option of supplying the janitorial and coffee, which I will be looking into.
Len
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Hi
I would charge per metre, at around £2 p/m, obviously if that was too pricey for them i would negotiate down.
Regards
Martin 8)
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Martin
How much would the granules cost you for a 100sqmet area?
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Hi
Depends on how thinly you spread it.
If it's low profile with light soiling then you can get away with less product and the pre-spray can take out a lot of the stain especially water based stains.
Regards
Martin 8)
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No, not every quarter @ £7500. 2 x quarters @ 2500 for traffic area and 2 x quarters @ full £7500. Traffic area isn't that large about 10000.
The carpet isn't tacky not a lot of gum, mainly tea/coffee spills.
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Hi Goldfinch
I notice on your website you advertise a free room clean when two are cleaned at full price, if the room is less than 13 sq ft. I dont come across many rooms this small, this would be less than 4` x 4`. If you actually mean 13` x 13` does this mean that the 3000sq ft is actually 3000` x 3000`?
Phil
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Yes notice also that box room price is in sq m.
Hope he didn't pay someone to do the site for him it's littered with mistakes.
Bottom of home page in large letters.
There is no such think as a dry clean.
John
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Hello Phil
The free room clean - 13ft x 13ft. not meters some offers 20ft but i like 13ft. The measurements might vary because initially everything was in square meters but then someone pointed out that in square foot you can price at pence not pound so I started changing them, the price seem smaller eg. £1.00per square meter is £0.10 per squre foot, some measurements might still be showing meters but I will change it soon when i go over the site, I am adding some shopping bits to it in the next couple of weeks so the final touches will be in there soon.
Oh, yeah - There is no such think as dry clean. True or false - I will create this topic lets see the opinions.
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I think he was referring to the spelling mistake rather than the validity of dry cleaning.......... 'think' instead of 'thing'
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Well spotted Mike.
Must admit the phrase, when spelt correctly, interests me.
John
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It would have to be under £1 p/m Joe. Don't forget you can eat this work with a Truckmount.
Glynn would you charge the same for cleaning nightclubs?
Phil
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I wonder if an outsider read this thread what on earth he would think of the carpet cleaning industry.
Mark
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I thought I read somewhere on another thread that this site is spidered. Is the content blocked?
G