Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: robert meldrum on January 04, 2009, 07:33:12 am
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The new Tex machine has finally appeared in the C/M with a review. Looks impressive and could provide a useful dual purpose tool.
No mention of the the power, unfortunately and just how big is it?
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The buffer system robert ???
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Clinton
They've cleverly combined the rotary and h/w/e in one machine, with the returned water being collected in a " jacket" Numatic George style, but a lot bigger.
The concept could be really good, but the neither pump nor vaccum details were given. Nor price !
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Robert
Sounds interesting that concept :)
Will be having a look on there site when it up.
I Did have the texatherm system when i first came out and it was a handy marketing tool to have(dry in 30 mins)
Just ot fed up of wringing the pads out by hand ::)
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Hi Guys,
I have been running this machine, (EMV) for the past 5 months. The combinations are now open as to its use, so it can be Texatherm/extraction/dry pad, hard floor scrub then use extaction for wet pick up, for pubs etc scub in then extract away. In this time I have put it through it paces and the results are impressive.
As the article states it is highly different from conventional extraction machines, and im afraid not everyone will see the bigger picture because it is "diferent". The idea has been to open up the air flow, with little restriction you can comfortably run 100+ foot of hose off of it with little reduction. The pump is "capped" at 100psi because it uses larger bore solution hoses to give higher delivery through the pump.
The pump is very different from anything you would have used. The delivery to the tool is controlled by electronics/software and the pump is only in use when the soltion is demanded from the user. It can speed up or slow down depending upon the psi value you have asked for, the type of tool/jet in use and height of operation. This means wether you attach 10 feet of hose or 100 feet of hose onto the machine the delivery is the same!
Over this period, I have achieved drying times of 1-2 hours in 80/20 and 100% wool carpets purely on extraction.
There are too many features to go into at length, and I dare say it wont be everyones"cup of tea" but if you are after a machine that really is next generation it is well worth a look
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Gary
Any picies ???
Not sure about the 100 psi pump mind you ???
So you can atatck the buffer etc to link with the set up?
Is it 2"hoses then ???
Cheers
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Hi Clinton,
will put some pics on over the next few days.
At present there are no links to the rotary, pick up is by hard floorwand, maybe something as attachment in the future.
Regarding the pump @100 psi, the pump is a 160 psi bypass, but I have seen the machine running with the pump set at 160 psi and with the open flows achieved it is more solution than you could cope with. As I said a lot of people are going to have difficulties with this as it now uses the equation of flow:pressure. The flow has been increased so the pressure required is less! Only really hits home when you get to see it! Also the hoses are slightly narrower but all the airpaths through the machine are opened out and no restriction through hose gear inside the machine, hence high water lift and increased dry times!
Regards
Gary
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Gary
Thanks for that.
Can see what mark is doing with his machines as he always likes to try and stay one step ahead :)
The picies will be good to see :)
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I think one Sunday morning last year Robert M and myself were talking about what we would like to see and mine was a low psi hwe with high flow so
Shaun 1
Robert 0
Joking aside I'd love to see it in action, I can understand the fast drying times because you aren't putting water where it is not needed ie too far down but you are giving the fibres a very good 'flooding' an excellent idea, not too sure how the rest works but if it has heat like texatherm usually does then I think it's a fantastic idea and CLINTON should have a demo if he's in the market for a new machine!!
Shaun
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Shaun
Think many years ago brian phiolbin and rob saunders were talking on something on those lines i remember in the office up here :)
Shaun you have put it in a good way there and a bit simpler to understand :)
Am after another set up soon so looking around at the mo and might have to ring mark up :)
Shaun you eating then now ???
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Yes I have a stone to catch up on, my mates Mrs was discusted with me as she's been trying to lose a stone for a year or so ;D
Shaun
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Though you were on hol as you were not on here since last wk ???
Been lucky myself so didnt get this bug as some of my clients had it before xmas ::)
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On holiday and ill!
How bad is that?
Shaun
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Gary
Just had a look at you web site and i can see your system its yellow ???
Does it link up to your buffer system too ???
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Shaun
Was it somewere hot too which makes it worse ::)
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Sandsend near Whitby, lovely walks and near heartbeat country but too far from a toilet, kids enjoyed it though.
Shaun
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Know it shaun as we go there on the bikes love it on the coast there :)
You had it bad mate ::)
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All fixed now though well apart from a bit of a plasma trail if you know what I mean :o
Shaun
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Hi Guys,
hopefully the pictures will upload....
They should give you an idea of how well built this m/c is!
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Shaun
:)
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Gary
Looks digital on the switches
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2x 5.2" vacs so it's simular to a ninja on the face of it but as Gary says 'it's different' I think this multi functional HWE is fantastic I'd say £3k?
Shaun
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You get an idea from the inside of the machine that a vacuum motor can be changed inside 10 minutes and similarl;y with a pump. All the connectors are submersible standard and the hoses are stainless steel braid and quality spiral. The connectors are all stainless steel and are "flat face" wouldn't see the need to change them for the life of the m/c......
Talk about BMW & Merc Quality, it feels German, but its a BRIT!!
Gary
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Does look impresive :)
What is the weight ratio compared to other machines ???
Prob will be around the 2 and half grand i guess for the set up.
But if it does all you say well worth a second look :)
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Shaun
Didnt read your post but your prob near the mark 3 grand :)
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Thats a bonus for replaing the motors and pump can someone who is not top on changing them do it for themselves ???
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The front panel IS Digital, it has LED level sensors to detect clean & waste solution and will switch off the machine when full and will switch off the element when low. The pump Is digitally controlled (1st in world!) and the heat can also be set in increments of 1 degree.
Again it is something a lot of people will dismiss, but wait til you see it in operation!
Gary
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Price dependant upon wether you want remote control upgrade, approx 2690 + -
includes hose length & wand!
Gary
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Gary
Has it got two waste tanks as i see the shut offs and ther is two ???
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Mark has prices it same as the new dual heat ninja and the scorpion or near.
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No Clinton,
best part is you can dump out the clean solution at the end of job instead of dumping vac hose in and sucking out. No more strain on motors and easier to keep clean!. They are also mounted vertically, so all waste drops easily away!
Gary
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Gary
Ah thought it was twin waste,yes so as you said dont have to drain and we all know even a small amount of clean waste in the winter steams your vehicle up.,and as you said wont strain the vacs :)
That idea was raised about another machine make last yr on a dif forum :)
Doe it fit an extra booster vac as well ???
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You seriously wont need another vacuum in there Clinton, the power of these vacs with no restrictions mean the drying times are within 2 hours. The idea was to produce an open airway without the need to bolt on accessories. Plus the vacuum work together, when you throw in extra vacs you throw them out of sync!
Gary
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Prob its got to be seen then ???
thought it might need an extra vac so it outperforms the scorpion.
Just wonder why it isnt on the web and advertised ???
My only worry would be if it developed a fault with the set ups controlled by a chip.
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It is now being advertised Clinton, in the "Cleaning Matters" publication.
www.cleaning-matters.com
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It's a nice looking machine and I'm sure does the job.
But I can't see any major benefit of the digital stuff other than a marketing angle-what benefit to you the customer over analogue control systems?
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Robert
Cheers for that :)
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I think the benefit is in extending the life of the pump and giving maximum flow even at a distance. I think that's what I read !!!
It's been a long time coming and looks like he's probably got it right first time.
I'd be very surprised if it failed to compete favourably, with " apparently " more muscular machines, as I get the impression, the engineering is way ahead of anything else.
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Couldnt find it on that site,will give them a ring and see what they can mail me re picies.
Love to see it in action and then be able to make my mind up :)
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Just posted the link to let you subscribe to the mag', it's actually free, but they've obviously still to find you!!
The advert and write up is in the printed publication.
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Cheers robert
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Mike you are so cynical, what's the point of Jordan having big boobs or suspenders on? if it looks good to the eye and is a talking point it's worth having.
Market it as
Computerised carpet cleaning
Advanced methods of carpet cleaning has hit the homes of Manchester, Clinton Neyland regional carpet cleaner of over 20 years explains that with super cleaning power carpet and upholstery can be safely deep cleaned and left virtual dry without causing shrinkage or mildew smells all because of the on board computer system that detects where more cleaning and flushing is required on certain dirtier parts of carpets and suites.
Clinton says "This takes the guess work out of where the heavily soiled areas are and the computer takes over and flushes the dirts and residues from fabrics and fibres without harming them"
Shaun
PS I just felt a bit of writers artistic merit come to me!
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I think you have hit the nail on the head Shaun, it's mutton dressed as lamb (cynical sarcasm in one sentence :) )
If the electronics bits do clever stuff that gives you optimum power and extends lifespan of the components then that's great. The looks are a bonus.
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I think you have lost the purpose of the machine and what it does.
Mike, I remember my dad being just like you in 70's-80's, "I'm not changing my car for one of those fancy things with electronic management systems. It'll never last in cars, cars and electronics don't mix!"
The pump IS Digitally controlled to ensure the right amount of solution is metered to it, wether working 10 feet or 100 feet away. The level sensors detect solution in both clean & waste tanks so it will switch off element when running low, or switch off machine when the waste tank is full. All these are designed to extend machine/component life.
As stated before this is NOT going to be a machine for the fence sitters/sceptics
Gary
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Shaun
Am going to keep this page :)
A good marketing flow you have come up with there,sometimes its the best way rather than spend hours writing and changing things around on a piece of paper.
Clinton
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in the words of the next american president you can put lipstick on a pig, but its still a pig
this is a low powered portable no matter how much lipstick you stick on it.
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Not too keen on the electronics with water concept but looks nice and if it does the job I suppose????????
John
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The first Prochem Galaxy's had a bladder waste water system. They didnt have them long and they switched back to a normal waste tank after problem, I believe. I had one and although it was a good idea to use just one space for clean water and waste water, in the end it wasnt as simple as that.
Dave.
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Hi dave
You mean it leaked into the clean chamber ???
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Where did you stay in Sandsend Shaun?
Mike.
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The waste tank isn't a bladder, the waste tank is the space around the clean solution tank (between walls). This is totally seperate.
Same statement applies fence sitters, sceptics, cynics dont bother it aint for you!
Gary
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It's growing on me now. ;D Hat's off to Tex for having a go.
Flow volume thing sounds like billy bollox poor excuse for a small pump though. Next year there will be a big pump option for sure.
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One again Mike you have failed to understand basic concept. Big psi pump- small bore hose pumps running on bypass, displaced heads large volumes of moisture atomising in room, lower psi pump with large bore hose will produce "flooding" out through fibres with lower atomisation also prolonging life for the pump. I had a hybrid style pump running in my old Ninja previously for nearly three years before the pump head failed.
The pump in the EMV will rpoduce up to 160 psi BUT it is capped at 100 BECAUSE THE FLOW OUTPUT is more than required.
THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A LARGE PUMP UPGRADE BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEED
same statement applies it aint for you fence sitters,sceptics or cynics!
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Gary
I get your point and maybe it does have to be seen in the flesh.
Come back in a year about the pump size and make me eat my words. ;D
History suggests that the first model of anything leads to something more powerful and more featured.
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Mike.
hopefully Mark will take a stand at the Cleaning Show, dont know if he will though as I've seen the order books and it looks like he'll be v busy. Pehaps if not then i'll take it to Carpet Cleaners Day Out.
To be honest I found it hard to believe that it could produce the level of flow at t jets but again its something you have to see. One way or another hopefully you'll get to see one.
regards
gary
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I really like the sound of this, the single vac' low psi pump criticism was made about the CFR, but anyone who used one, really used one, knows what a fantastic machine it can be, in the right hands.
What's fascinating about this new machine, is the ability to use it as a combination machine, with rotaries and h/w/e.
Sure, it's NOT a t/m, but not everyone wants a t/m and I reckon the engineering has been well tried and tested over the past three years.
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I was going to say CCDO would be a great showcase for it.
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As you said Robert, it's only when you use it you appreciate what it can do.
I have "hammered" it over the last five months and it has produced results beyond my expectations. I know of two major companies/franchises that are looking to take it on after having trials.
Gary
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Yes hopefully CCDO will be a good opportunity to see it.
Maybe able to "prise" Mark away from his Dungeon to come explain / talk on the project
Gary
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The Prochem Galaxy bladder system was based around Dave Lee's colostomy bag :o
Shaun
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Ideal for non payers, just leave it under the door mat on the way out.
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;D
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Gary
How do you attatch it to the buffer ???
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Hi Clinton, you don't.
The machine can be used for the Texatherm process, extraction cleaning or wet pick up for hard floor cleaning. The Rotary isnt attached to the emv in any way
Gary
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Gary
Just not sure how you use the texatherm system without the buffer ???
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Clinton
The machine replaces the s/s "tea urn". The pads are put in the machine, so you no longer need the s/s tank.
So you have a state of the art h/w/e machine which doubles as a pad heater for a rotary system.
Don't know if the Tex method has been modified in any way, but to have the combination of h/w/e and rotary sounds pretty useful.
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Clinton,
You use the EMV as Robert suggested, the clean solution tank acts as your heater tank in which to place pads. The way it is used in combination cleaning would be on a very soiled carpet instead of pre-spray -agitation, apply pre-spray of advanced cleaner, place pad into tank, ring and place on carpet run across carpet with rotary. Then with extraction side of machine extraction rinse loosened soil. You can the finally opt to dry pad the surface to increase dry times.
Have carried out this succesfully even across black top pub carpets. Drying times have been impressive
Gary
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Cheers for that lads :)
Got you on that one and think it wil be better than the small heater :)
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Did TEX never bring out a wringer then?
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Joe,
The replacement for the Heater Tank, (if you want Texatherm System only) is called the HT030 and that has slots built around the top for accepting mop wringer mechanisms. The new EMV has a wringer unit in the pipeline!
Gary
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Joe
Was thinking the same thing ???
Always thought it was the only thing to let the system down with no wringer ???
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Hi Gary
Why don’t you make a little movie about this and put it in You Tub, so every one can see how it works, this way you don’t have to explain about it so much.
Regards
Bosh
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Hi Bosh,
would love to if only I had the time.....
Business is booming and plenty of phone calls. When I get the opportunity maybe I'll try. Would be good to do so as the machine is so very different. Cleaned an Italian restaraunt by combination cleaning today and the owner is over the moon with how it looks and how dry it is. Bearing in mind he has had it cleaned previously by a truckmount based franchise and a well known franchise previously, and was unhappy with a) clean b) drying times.
Regards
Gary
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It looks a futuristic machine and a very good portable but the only benefit for me is that when using Texatherm I only have one machine instead of the heater machine and the Ninja for stains.
As for drying times thats all about operator ability, the weather and the soiling conditions, carpet type etc. I really dont see how it has more vacuum power than a normal 2 vac portable. The pump flow concept I can appreciate. The digital heater etc is something to break as we dont need to adjust the heat by 1 degree but it is beautiful but Id prefer blue.
As regards the TM guy cleaning the restaurant maybe it wasent the TMs fault.
Mark
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Ye
Try and make a film and post it mate :)
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gary
have to agree with mark about the truckmount comment, (obviously :)
and the drying times.
thing with franchises is all though the names the same the end product isn't.
how many times do you walk round tesco's and ask for help, some smile and go out of there way, where as some tut grunt and point. its the same with franchises, some think cos there backed by a name they can just be in and out and down the pub in no time, where as some (jim neal for instance) take pride in there work knowing its there business with someone elses name for piece of mind.
did a job this morning for a women who in the past has used a well known truckmount company round here, she wasn't happy with there results yet i left her with a big smile and her saying she'll put me on file for next year when her next tennants move out, they have to use me.
i don't think it matters what machine you have, low end portable or high end truckmount(with in reason) if your determined to give customer satisfaction then you'll strive to accomplish that.
keep up the good work gary, its not the machine (allthough it helps make life easier) its you mate.
derek
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Derek
Good post :)
Could not agree more with what you said :)
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Derek, Clinton
you are right in respect its knowledge/experience/own ability that produces the right result, BUT I have tried similar areas in the past with my Ninja and was not able to get anywhere near the result. By using advanced cleaner as a pre-spray, putting down a slightly more wetter pad and then extracting the pad, this had already loosened those protein bonding soils and it became easier to then rinse /extract. The difference in this machine is I only required 70psi to flood into fibres and extract out.
Due to this and increased airflow I am recovering 95% of input solution. This has become evident over the last 5 months on returning to long term customers where I have previously cleaned before. I would never declare it is the machine that is doing all this, but it certainly has changed the way I approach some cleans!
Gary
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Hi gary
So you geting the benefits of the new texatherm ???
With the increase in air flow with your 2" hoses compared to your old ninja ???
Thats the part i do like is when your geting beter drying times so eliminating any chance of mildew,shrinkage,wick back etc :)
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I'm amazed all the porty manufacturers haven't adapted their machines to 2 inch hose. My speedster has the option and can make a big difference on longer runs.
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Mike I think the reason for sticking with 1.5" is down to vacuum pressure.
The vac motors create their vacuum in the air space between the motors and the lips of the wand. Therefore if you increase the diameter of the vac hose you're increasing the size of the vacuum chamber.... the vacuum performance becomes less efficient because the motors have to create the vacuum in a bigger space.
That's why a vac-optimised machine such as a Ninja runs on 1.5" but an airflow-optimised machine like the Scorpion runs on 2" because the larger diameter hose gives less resistance to air flow.
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Mike
Do you have the 2" hose on yours ???
Think what gary is doing it using the advanced texatherm cleaner then buffing then extracting ???
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Some quick maths... hope I've got it right :)
50ft of 1.5" hose has an internal volume of approximately 17 litres
50ft of 2" hose has an internal volume of approximately 31 litres
Say your machine's recovery tank has a volume of 50 litres.
Running with 1.5" hose gives you a total vacuum chamber capacity of 67 litres, whereas 2" hose results in a capacity of 81 litres.
In this example, stepping up to 2" hose increases the volume of your vacuum chamber by roughly 21%
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That's interesting Jim. So maybe there would be more to it than just making a bigger hole!
Clinton. I still use 1.5 up to 50ft. I have a 50 ft length of 2" which I'm going to split and give me more options.
I think it's cheapo hose that came with the machine, it's rock hard this time of year and quite often I'm reluctant to get it out. Ew er Mrs.
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Jim
Thats the science :) you know your stuff mate :)
Mike
They tend to be less flexible and spec in this v cold weather hard to coil up ::)
Dont be geting it out on here :D
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Jim
As you run a good truck mount set up with your franchise what portie are you going to run as to when you caint access the areas with the t mount ???
Just i saw your selling your alltec ???
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Clinton....
http://www.online-calculators.co.uk/volumetric/cylindervolume.php
;)
I don't run a TM mate I still use my trusty old Ninjas although am tentatively planning to first upgrade the van and then get a hydramaster unit in it, some time this year.
The Alltec setup has come from somewhere else, along with a database of customers. One I'm selling, the other I'm keeping :D
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The 318 did seem a cracking deal but not sure if prices have change in recent months. Team that up with the fact vans are going for a song this year could be bargain time for those who are established.
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Jim
Sory thought you being a franchise you had a t m ::)
Same here am thinking of an upgrade on both counts :)
Do you have a booster and in line with your ninjas ???
I use alltechs just sold an old elite that was 16 ys old :)
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Looked at the hyundi van and its geting on to 14 grand and wont give much discount,ford on the other had are discounting as we found out after xmas with us getin a new car :)
Keep toying with the idea myself with something biger machine wise.
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I don't use either. On big commercials I use a Y-junction to parallel two machines up together, which doubles the airflow and enables a bit longer hose run (still only go up to 75ft though)
I've tweaked one of my machines slightly so it heats a lot hotter than standard - the tank actually starts bubbling and steam forces its way out from under the lid! This may knacker it in the long run, but it's been sound so far, not every job needs this! I bought the machine very cheaply so considered it worth the risk!
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Saw that picie you put up on here last yr with the two ninjas running together :)
Long as it benefits you with the purchase of that machine and data base least you can get some cash back.
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Didn't think I'd ever took a pic of it tbh! ??? Might be my alzheimers kicking in :)
Yep, I reckon the purchase will have paid for itself by next Christmas and then we'll be cooking on gas :D
Just a bit of a bummer having to use my overdraft at the moment :(
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There used to be a guy on here called Gary who was always getting stick for bigging up TM portables.
He put some pics up, but it was in one of those funny little vans ;D. He had two ninjas and connected them up.
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Mike ;D
Yes you might be right i rememeber the picies sory jim ::)
Mike
One of the rascal vans :D
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On paper they make sense, in reality. :-X
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There doinfg ford transit vans for 8 and half grand and thats all inc of vat etc,thats about 4 grand off :o
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Not good to me Clinton, apparently I already own a Trannie. ::)
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Mike
there not a bad vehicle the transit ???
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Just to throw in a thought cruncher. Vacuum motors are actually blowers. That is their function is, to blow. In order to blow they have to have an air intake. It is this air intake that is taken advantage of and used as a sucker. When the sucker end is attached to a pipe, a vacuum effect is created in the pipe. If the pipe is conected to a vessel or tank with another hole in it, the air intake at the hole will be the same as at the blowers air intake. This is because the blower will empty the intermediate tank at a certain rate and the tank will be refilled with air at the same rate, even if the hole is a larger diameter.
Now if the blowers air intake is 1.5" diameter and then the hose out of the recovery tank is 2" you do not get more airflow unless you increase the number of blowers and set them in parrallel. If, regardless of the number of blowers, they are set in series, you do not get more airflow, you get slower less restricted airflow. When a 2" hose is then attached to a 1.5" wand the same airflow is maintained but because of the reduced diameter, greater lift is produced due the increase in air velocity that a narrower tube produces.
You cannot increase airflow just by using 2" hose instead of 1.5" The bigger the blower the bigger the diameter of the air intake, in the case of Truck Mounts usually starting on the smaller units, the intake is normally 2.5" up to 3.5" for the bigger ones. That is why 2" vacuum hose and wands are ideal. The blowers 2.5" air intake demand is reduced to 2" vac hose, hence creating more velocity and lift.
There! Clear as --d?
Dave.
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dave
can i play hangman with that last word as ive no idea what it is?
something something D?
"A"
derek
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I'll give you a 'u'
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This is all very technical. I just stick the hose on my thigh and whatever hurts the most gives the best suck.
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mud?
thought it was a rude one hence the dashes.
thats my mind for ya, tut
derek
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Derek,
That was the thought cruncher. ???
Dave.
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Good post Dave :)
I think it's worth adding that 2" hose isn't intended to increase airflow - you can't make more airflow than the machine is capable of developing!
The point is, it creates less resistance to the airflow that is being generated, therefore making it more efficient.
That's why we're seeing more 2.5" hose coming out the door of TM units now. Looks like someone's laying new drains!
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well it crunched my brain, all though thats not hard especially when i'm coming down with the lurgi again. bluddy illnesses are rife round here at the mo.
derek
ps... i reall can't get my head round airflow, and for that reason, amoot.
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Derek
I have been trying for many years ;D
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Have to agree with what Dave has said, 2"hose and wand is much better than 2" hose and the smaller bore wand.
ps thats why i bought a 2"wand off Dave.
great wand Dave works a treat!!!
Andrew
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Dave
you mean rather than adapt a 1 half" wand to compansate.
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Got new for you guys,
I havent ever mentioned having 2" hoses. The hoses are standard 1.5". The secret is HOW the hoses attach to the machine and how the paths within the machine are configured. If you have small hoses and connectors within the machine the airflow from the hoses are restricted on entering the macvhine wheras if you dont have this you have an airpath where the motors are not under strain and are able to increase suction.....
Gary