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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Park Cleaning Services on March 11, 2005, 08:53:22 pm
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hey guys, i have been reading a lot of the posts on this site and time and time again i keep seeing reference to these microsplitters. as i am new in business could someone please tell me what they are and ecactly what they do, are there advantages and disadvantages to them..............................many thanks for being patient with me.......Ian
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Oh, Noooooooooo!
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Microsplitters are food grade phosphate agents in a cleaning product. It works be causing a shattering effect to the soil binders. This is what adheres soils to fibres and fabrics alike. It uses a technology without the need for detergents and enzymes and bleaches. Although most mainstream c/c agents dont contain bleac anyhow.
In my opinion MS's are better suited to cotton/flatweave upholstery fabrics, although adjitation is required. One has to make up ones mind wether its in the best interest for the fabric concerned , to cause a severe scrubbing action to it in order to achive the desired cleaning effect without using the detergent properties of conventional cleaning products or use conventional cleaning products and rinse with either clear water or clear water combined with an acid rinse. Its purely a matter of personal choice. Though it does seem that on the aforementioned fabrics , MS's do seem to simplifiy cleaning. But on carpet work they don't come close enough to my companys needs in the matter of visible results.
Regards
Glynn.
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sounds like soap to me
IVAR
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Hi Ian
If you ring 01726 852880 and ask to speak to Nick
Ask him about Microsplitters
as he sells them, he will tell everything you need to know and many be send you a sample to try.
Have a look at his web site http://www.solution-uk.com
Hope this helps
Regards Gavin
P.s thanks for the pm, I mean your address dont worry about pm it is safe to do so. I will pop what you need in the post for you then. ;)
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Hi Guys,
From reading internet etc I think these products are sodium tripolyphosphate ,STTP.
Search it on MSN/Google, see what you think.
Cheers,
Doug
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Hi Doug
Apparently the same stuff goes in to frankferters ???
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The person who tacked "microsplitting" to a fairly simple chemical compound,is a marketing genius.
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Hi Doug
Keep reading,
Glynn there is a difference between controlled agitation and scrubbing, the best agitation is completed using the chickopee very soft brushes as on the envirodri machine, normally if the carpet is over wet during pre sparying this will have an adverse effect on the cleaning, as after the soil particle bond is shattered to much fliud will wash the soil deeper into the carpet, therefore you should always work toward the drier side of cleaning.
Hope this helps
Best regards Nick
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But on carpet work they don't come close enough to my companys needs in the matter of visible results.
Never used Number 2 heavy duty then?? I love this stuff, It has produced results for me that are nothing short of incredible :o
I know Its high ph makes it non wool safe, but I was faced with a well soiled Light green 80/20 last week, spills, inground soiling, soot lines from real fire around rugged area, etc, so opted for HD number 2 and plenty of sebo duo aggitation, then the fresh water rinse. The customers when they returned were amazed and thought it looked like new ;D
Paul
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Paul,
No porkies now, but what dilution did you use to achieve the results. I believe No2 HD is the same as the former No8 Stone cleaner.
Dave.
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Why would I tell porkies ??? :)
The Dilution I usually work at with MS is 12-1 ish, Not sure if HD is the same as the stone cleaner?? Nick would be the man to answer that.
Paul
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Recently started using the solutions range, the HD No2 for synthetic is OUTSTANDING, have done a couple of carpet salvage cleans with clients saying stuff like: "Wow it's like new"! I do find though that the process is far more effective if repeated once or even twice on heavy soiling.
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so....where do you guys buy microsplitters from..cant find any straight forward sites on the web that I can get them from...Is there an easy way?? You know, someone that gives you a price list, and order details..Im in berkshire..anyone know of any outlet here?
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Ring Nick at Solution 01726 852880
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Paul,
I wasnt suggesting thjat you would tell porkies, its just that I think some guys exagerate with dilution rates. When I use microsplitters I find the best rate is 10:1 , but I have seen some claim 20:1 and higher, which I find is too weak for the result I am looking for. I use both Solutions and 1 Step Fineline.
Dave.
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I see ;D I Intend to try leaner ratios myself, I imagine 20-1 will need more agitation to get the same result, cleaning pie and all that.
Paul
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Micro-splitters if used correctly will match and outclean any other chemical within the market today. I have not yet come across a carpet or fabric that SOLUTIONS micro-splitters have not been able to clean to a very high standard. No matter wheather it is a lightly soiled sofa or a club carpet covered in bar tar so thick you can write your name in it just pick up the apropiate SOLUTION from SOLUTIONS UK and you will be able to offer your customer the very highest standard possible.
Richie.
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Blimey, Now thats good pluggin ;D
He's better than me!!!
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All i could add to what Richie has posted is .............
JESUS IN A BOTTLE
ps. like the tag Richie, ex RvS player myself. Moved onto J/Ops now.
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When i first had the sample box of Solutions from Nick i was going to use it on some domestic work but knowing that i had a VERY HEAVILY soiled night club carpet to clean a few days later i thought id wait and try it there. The worst area of carpet was that thick with bar tar and hard you could tap the area and it sounded like i was tapping a wooden floor. I pre-sprayed half of the area with a leading brand chemical and let dwell for 5-10 minutes then extracted using a truckmount. The carpet cleaned up very well. I then pre-sprayed the other half using Solutions, i must add this was done using less pre-spray than with the other chemical. I then cleaned the carpet using the truckmount. The results were the same if not slightly better but this was done with less effort. Also i know it is advisable to aggitate Solutions as with most chemicals but no aggitation was available on the day.
Richie.
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I dont deny solutions MS especially the number 2 HD are capable of producing fantastic results, but I'm surprised you managed to easily clean black top without agitation??
I have on a number jobs been faced with black top, only I've needed the rotary and polyprop brush to help break it down prior to extraction.
Paul
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Paul,
Do you use Truckmounts?? Please remember that if using a truckmount at say 300psi is different to using a portable at 300psi due to water flow. The water pressure from a truckmount is like having agitation. The next time i clean a heavily soiled night club you will be more than welcome to tag along to see the results from Solutions without the agitation.
Richie.
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Richie
What dilution rate did you use with Solutions product and what agent was it?
Please don’t take this wrong 99.9% of the time I use Solutions products and did try no2 hd @ 1-8 on this with a rotary with brush no joy
(http://i146.exs.cx/img146/9834/pubbogs5sm.jpg)
So reverted back to the dark ages product or should I blame the previous cc that used an lm system to clean it
Len
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I have an Eclipse so I'm aware of the advantages of high pressure brings and how much its affects improve soil removal, out of interest what GPM does your TM produce?? Its undoubtably more than a high spec porty.
I'm not doubting your results I'm simply surprised MS without prior agitation managed to do the business.
They must be even better than I thought ;D
Paul
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That particular situation was that bad so i used Solutions No 8, used at 1-16, i cant understand why you couldnt get the result ??? The truckmount i was using produces 3.5gpm the the water pressure was set at 400psi and i was using a 2 jet wand, heat was between 190- 210 degrees.
Richie.