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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Hants Windows on December 17, 2008, 08:48:01 pm
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Here's a few quotes from a Snr Member on this site: (Bumper)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;id=4296;type=avatar)
PROFILE:
www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=5020 (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=5020)
I know what you mean ,every time i go to prison and they know im a window cleaner, i have to clean all the little square windows with poo all over them Cry
never ever do bathroom windows Wink
only when bird shight on
i dornt brag how much i earn, just tell tax man i only earn 4000
do what i do if my pad gets dry pee on it, so pee in your tank if you been out night before you will fill it.(September 06, 2008)
i make 300 pound for nothing every fortnight all i have to do is collect the houses ,clean them one fortnight and bump them the next, you might get the odd one who moans ,i say it must be the new lad love hes a trainee,its best if its rained that week coz they carnt tell if they have been done are not, if they say they are a bit dirty i just say its coz of the rain and wind we have had,that will be 7 pound please Grin i love it easy money (August 23, 2008)
No need for me to rush i GOT DOUBLE GIRO THIS WEEK (March 21, 2008)
I dornt have to many cheqs going in my account ,i like cash so the tax man dornt know, what he dornt know dornt hurt
Sorry but this makes me livid!
Why are people like this allowed to spout such rubbish on this site?
Rant Over!
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I smell a Troll!
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Bumper. ;D
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knock it on the head now.
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I smell a Troll!
Oi tink you'll find Hants Windows used be on here as Jewel Cleaning.
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This has got to be a wind up by ''Bumper''
Surely ??? ??? ???
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knock it on the head now.
hey smiffy .....why??
taffy
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Read his posts. They are all a laugh (or nightmare if you are his conscience :o).
1 thing for sure is that it takes a bit of nous to stay in business.
I'm dying to know if the photo is really bumper? ;D
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Read his posts. They are all a laugh (or nightmare if you are his conscience :o).
1 thing for sure is that it takes a bit of nous to stay in business.
I'm dying to know if the photo is really bumper? ;D
Hes turned me to the wine :P
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I wonder why the other forums are getting busy
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the thing is though, people still have the opinion that window cleaners are like this
they still exist, they work for cash, they pay little or no tax, they are on the dole
they make 300 quid a fortnight and are happy
who are we to judge ? ? ? ?
as long as you are happy with what you do, then thats great
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i agree matt there are somany out there. trampy old men calling them selfs pro's.
also alot of custys thing if your young and have only been doing it a while your no good. almost like you need to be at least 50 to be a wc.
on the other hand there are loads of young or old pillocks who buy a new van, wfp and spend a fortune making it look the nuts with wrap a round sinage ect then go out looking down there noses at trad or other wfp wc like there the bees nees, all the gear and no idea. they bang on about all the work they have and how much money they make yet still feel the need to bitch about other wc's mainly because there scared of compertition.
you know if your one of the above. sort it out you sado. your making this inderstry look silly
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should we be licensed? like Scotland.
In England, it is relatively easy to get into this business......
in fact its getting to be quite a common statement for people about to lose jobs , or thinking of having a change... " I WILL GO WINDOW CLEANING IF I HAVE TO"
I , Personally worked my way out of a sales job, into window cleaning, via pressure washing at weekends, until i had enough work to make the transition into window cleaning....and i know i am lucky to be able to have done this, but it has cost me a lot of money pro-rata.
I think it is too easy to get into, but very hard to maintain, and stick at it...
Thats why, there are the fly by nights... and summer brigade and dole boys..... making it hard for the rest ......to put a decent price in... and change the public image of the real window cleaners who are trying to make a business or a living out of it
Because, these dossers want beer money... ONLY.
And when the cold weather comes, they run and hide... because they are shirkers and do not know what work is....
and dont know how to speak to decent people... and they are scruffy and that continues to give window cleaning a bad name.
and when they get a few customers too many..... they run and hide again !......
because they dont know how to cope... because its starting to turn into a JOB!!!.... So off they go again.
Until the beer money runs out. ...its a shame really.
A Blatant shame.
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Ridiculous.
I know this is someone having a "laugh" but to me this is bordering on being irresponsible.Why is this type of thing not moderated we dont need this crap.Yet when a decent topical or opinionated conversation occurs people get banned...even topics are deleted if you mention another well respected cleaning forum....madness.
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Hi guys ive got bit of a dilemma.ive got £500 pound tips,do have to tell the taxman ??? or do i not declare it because that will but my earnings into the tax bracket and ill have to pay for some stamps to ,i collected most of a street without cleaning them and most paid and give me tips aswell, its starting to prick conscience,plus its christmas week and i get double GIRO again yepeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee roll on christmas ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
I think the biggest problem is that not everyone is tuned in to your sense of humour :) .
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Seragota
A lot of this went on before i was a moderator on this section.
Its ok to always blame the mods, but as Hants cleaning will testify as soon as it gets reported it gets acted upon.
As yet no one has reported this post to the moderators.
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Seragota
A lot of this went on before i was a moderator on this section.
Its ok to always blame the mods, but as Hants cleaning will testify as soon as it gets reported it gets acted upon.
As yet no one has reported this post to the moderators.
the question is though dave, what is to report ? ? ? ?
a guy who is either having a bit of a laugh or is serious ( to me it doesnt matter )
he signs on the dole, does a few houses and is happy, is he really doing window cleaners any harm ? ? ? ?
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Seragota
A lot of this went on before i was a moderator on this section.
Its ok to always blame the mods, but as Hants cleaning will testify as soon as it gets reported it gets acted upon.
As yet no one has reported this post to the moderators.
the question is though dave, what is to report ? ? ? ?
a guy who is either having a bit of a laugh or is serious ( to me it doesnt matter )
he signs on the dole, does a few houses and is happy, is he really doing window cleaners any harm ? ? ? ?
We all pay his dole money through our taxes ??? >:(
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Seragota
A lot of this went on before i was a moderator on this section.
Its ok to always blame the mods, but as Hants cleaning will testify as soon as it gets reported it gets acted upon.
As yet no one has reported this post to the moderators.
the question is though dave, what is to report ? ? ? ?
a guy who is either having a bit of a laugh or is serious ( to me it doesnt matter )
he signs on the dole, does a few houses and is happy, is he really doing window cleaners any harm ? ? ? ?
We all pay his dole money through our taxes ??? >:(
we do, i know that
BUT
he would still sign on the dole, regardless of him doing a few windows a day
so we would still be paying his dole
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We all pay his dole money through our taxes ??? >:(
Best thing is to grass them all up and we'll all pay less taxes next year ::)
he signs on the dole, does a few houses and is happy, is he really doing window cleaners any harm ? ? ? ?
I hope he's doing more than a few houses...... he said he got £500 tips :o
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Seragota
A lot of this went on before i was a moderator on this section.
Its ok to always blame the mods, but as Hants cleaning will testify as soon as it gets reported it gets acted upon.
As yet no one has reported this post to the moderators.
the question is though dave, what is to report ? ? ? ?
a guy who is either having a bit of a laugh or is serious ( to me it doesnt matter )
he signs on the dole, does a few houses and is happy, is he really doing window cleaners any harm ? ? ? ?
Yes he is not only to himself because ultimately he isn’t going nowhere, but also this type of window cleaner doesn’t project anything positive for the window cleaning industry in fact it’s detrimental. It does make things more difficult for professional window cleaners because customers may not differentiate.
Think about your one example of your dole cheat then times that by tens of thousands.
Or think about how things would be for all the professional window cleaners if all the cowboys stopped operating. What would be the benefits?
tens of thousands.is a bit strong imho
but it comes down to he does what he needs to to survive, i work 3 hard days and this week 2 early mornings and 1 late night, i have a hernia and im struggling, but i get the work done, because thats what i do to survive
its easy to sit and knock people
i find the image of window cleaners is still very poor, that means when people find some1 who is regular, they can trust, does a good job, they recommend them, thus i fit the bill and get recommended fairly often, does the public idea of window cleaners help in this case ? ? ? ? i dont know, but its a good discussion
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Seragota
A lot of this went on before i was a moderator on this section.
Its ok to always blame the mods, but as Hants cleaning will testify as soon as it gets reported it gets acted upon.
As yet no one has reported this post to the moderators.
the question is though dave, what is to report ? ? ? ?
a guy who is either having a bit of a laugh or is serious ( to me it doesnt matter )
he signs on the dole, does a few houses and is happy, is he really doing window cleaners any harm ? ? ? ?
i think that type of window cleaner does immense damage,
they reinforce the general publics perseption of your average window cleaner,
they charge peanuts, >:(
it has been said loads of times before , but i believe a licensing system ( as in scotland )would be a good move forward.
it would certainatly make it harder for them .
daz
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fair play matt. He ain't doing me any harm either. ;D
I dunno how much is the truth or just a laugh but bumpers posts are a breath of fresh air and i have a good laugh reading them.
And this topic as well now. ;D
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Seragota
A lot of this went on before i was a moderator on this section.
Its ok to always blame the mods, but as Hants cleaning will testify as soon as it gets reported it gets acted upon.
As yet no one has reported this post to the moderators.
the question is though dave, what is to report ? ? ? ?
a guy who is either having a bit of a laugh or is serious ( to me it doesnt matter )
he signs on the dole, does a few houses and is happy, is he really doing window cleaners any harm ? ? ? ?
We all pay his dole money through our taxes ??? >:(
we do, i know that
BUT
he would still sign on the dole, regardless of him doing a few windows a day
so we would still be paying his dole
I don't believe it is someone on the dole though because he probably wouldn't be telling us about it. If he is signing on and shining then yes, I believe it does do window cleaners some harm. It's not only about image but about rates of pay. Someone W/Cing without the proper overheads can undercut by a long way. Even if they don't target anyone's work, there is the effect of holding down the rates generally.
Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with someone doing it for a few months to get themselves out of a hole. I would have a problem though if they became more permanent competition as there's no way I could compete with fiddlers.
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Hi. This is a good thread.
I don't think they do any harm at all. The public get what they pay for and some are happy to pay peanuts to have a unreliable service. We will not change that.
I think the vast majority of customers go through several part timers, beer merchants, dolies and summer merchants before the settle on a reliable proffessonal person. They will also pay well and appreciate you working in most weathers all year round.
Let em come and go!
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Hi Hants Windows,
Firstly I really do believe that "Bumper" is a wind-up merchant and I like him for it (and if he really does look like the picture he's posted...well then I like him all the more!)
But let's assume that his postings are how he genuinely works and what he genuinely believes:
You Hants, me 'ol buddy, me 'ol best pal should be delighted as he makes you look soooo good in comparison that you'll have zero difficulty in taking his customers.
A thing I've never understood: Why are some window cleaners so desparate to give the industry a "good name" that they'll willingly pay £100s in annual licence fees to try to achieve this?
If people ask what I do for a living I tell them I'm a window cleaner and if that makes me scummy in their eyes so be it. I'll not be less scummy when asked what I do for a living and I replied "I'm a licenced window cleaner".
Licences will not send the cowboys packing, after all it hasn't in the cab trade, plumbing trade, sparks trade. building trade (the list is endless) so why should it impact the Bumpers of this world in the window cleaning trade?
The people who advocate licencing are simply and perversely wishing yet another tax on themselves...they'll pay an additional few hundred £ a year into local council coffers...and Bumper won't! Means that Bumper can keep his "cowboy" prices the same whereas you have to up yours a bit to pay for your prestigious licence...like Mrs Smith gives a stuff whether you're licenced or not ::)
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Its alright for some window cleaners who talk aload of fairy saying 2 men can earn 500 pound in a day,ive being doing window cleaning 25 years and i dornt know anybody who can do that much work in a day,and when i come on talking fairy stories there all up in arms and jealous,i start at 8.30 till 2 pm with 3 of us and we only do about 200 pound on a good day with prices range from £ 3.50 to £5.00 thats all you get up north greatermanchester, and your lucky if you get paid at all,its not like you southerners all ladi da i get £25 a house ill not get out of bed for under £20 i have a new van with a top notch system,and i bet most of you dornt declare what you earnings are,and if you do your lair.
RANT OVER ;)
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Its alright for some window cleaners who talk aload of bull poop saying 2 men can earn 500 pound in a day,ive being doing window cleaning 25 years and i dornt know anybody who can do that much work in a day,and when i come on talking bullpoop there all up in arms and jealous,i start at 8.30 till 2 pm with 3 of us and we only do about 200 pound on a good day with prices range from £ 3.50 to £5.00 thats all you get up north greatermanchester, and your lucky if you get paid at all,its not like you southerners all ladi da i get £25 a house ill not get out of bed for under £20 i have a new van with a top notch system,and i bet most of you dornt declare what you earnings are,and if you do your lair.
RANT OVER ;)
I'm sure there's a Monty Python sketch in there somewhere ;D .
Hey. I can't help being a suvverner. I was born and brought up down 'ere.
I know rates are generally lower up north but rents and mortgages tend to be a lot cheaper too.
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You just did!
More like “window cleaners” not window cleaning.
::)
i just cant be bothered :P :P
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Its alright for some window cleaners who talk aload of bull poop saying 2 men can earn 500 pound in a day,ive being doing window cleaning 25 years and i dornt know anybody who can do that much work in a day,and when i come on talking bullpoop there all up in arms and jealous,i start at 8.30 till 2 pm with 3 of us and we only do about 200 pound on a good day with prices range from £ 3.50 to £5.00 thats all you get up north greatermanchester, and your lucky if you get paid at all,its not like you southerners all ladi da i get £25 a house ill not get out of bed for under £20 i have a new van with a top notch system,and i bet most of you dornt declare what you earnings are,and if you do your lair.
RANT OVER ;)
I'm sure there's a Monty Python sketch in there somewhere ;D .
Hey. I can't help being a suvverner. I was born and brought up down 'ere.
I know rates are generally lower up north but rents and mortgages tend to be a lot cheaper too.
Why should northerners care about rents and mortgages?...it's all paid for by DHSS anyway which is financed by taxpayers living South of Bedford.
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Ill have to see if i can get a new computer from my sons school this windows 98 is so slow ;D
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Ill have to see if i can get a new computer from my sons school this windows 98 is so slow ;D
;D ;D ;D... ;D
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Why should northerners care about rents and mortgages?...it's all paid for by DHSS anyway which is financed by taxpayers living South of Bedford.
;D
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Bumpers just a wind up surely???!!! If he isn't he certainly lurks as he disappeared for a few years until someone mentioned him and then low and behold he reappears! Is he genuine I dont think so surely if he was he wouldn't be so blatant about how he conducts business! He does make me laugh though as he plays the perfect stereotype of the wc's image...
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Why should northerners care about rents and mortgages?...it's all paid for by DHSS anyway which is financed by taxpayers living South of Bedford.
you been watching too much coronation street lol..... stick to posh eastenders.... you know the programme that shows off all the rich southerners..... doing the market.
anyone would think this country is the size of America... ooooh the great north south divide...
its the same in every town... you need to get out more. ::) ??? ;D
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Ill have to see if i can get a new computer from my sons school this windows 98 is so slow ;D
Great stuff !! ;D
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Bumper
I dont know if you are aware but swearing in any form isnt allowed
Moderator
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Why should northerners care about rents and mortgages?...it's all paid for by DHSS anyway which is financed by taxpayers living South of Bedford.
..... stick to posh eastenders....
Yer 'avin' a giraffe Guv. Now excuse me while I nip down the frog to the fish to get some bees for me sky to go out on the hit and later a ruby with me richard ;D
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I don't believe Northerners only charge £3.50- 5.00. What's the matter, have you no self respect. Minimum wage is nearly £6.00 If you're not confident to ask for decent prices, you'll always be the busy fool cleaning for peanuts. You need to market the right customers or find a job PAYE without the hassle of self employment if your wage is a joke.
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anyone would think this country is the size of America... ooooh the great north south divide...
its the same in every town... you need to get out mor
e. ::) ??? ;D
It may not be size of america, but you can bet thers more people per square yard here in uk,it wornt be long before this country become a muslim country,everyware you go most folk talk a different language poles,iranian,kurdish,turkish,pakistan,eastern europeans,russian, and WELSH TAFFFYS ;D
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I don't believe Northerners only charge £3.50- 5.00. What's the matter, have you no self respect. Minimum wage is nearly £6.00 If you're not confident to ask for decent prices, you'll always be the busy fool cleaning for peanuts. You need to market the right customers or find a job PAYE without the hassle of self employment if your wage is a joke.
Wooah! That's £3.50-£5 per job which might take 10 mins...not £3.50-£5 per hour!
...I hope!
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yes per house ,and im the dearest, the other window cleaners and i mean loads of cleaners about 10 others charge 50p less its dog eat dog round manchester areas every were you look theres a car with a set of ladders on.
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anyone would think this country is the size of America... ooooh the great north south divide...
its the same in every town... you need to get out mor
e. ::) ??? ;D
poles,iranian,kurdish,turkish,pakistan,eastern europeans,russian,
Yeah but in all fairness these people don't get their windows cleaned anyway...95% of my custys are white English, 4.9% are white West Europeans and the remaining 0.1% is a black woman.
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;D ;D
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Bumper
I dont know if you are aware but swearing in any form isnt allowed
Moderator
sorry dave, but ive never met a windowcleaner who dosnt swear :)
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I don't believe Northerners only charge £3.50- 5.00. What's the matter, have you no self respect. Minimum wage is nearly £6.00 If you're not confident to ask for decent prices, you'll always be the busy fool cleaning for peanuts. You need to market the right customers or find a job PAYE without the hassle of self employment if your wage is a joke.
where did you get that info from lol.
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Hi. This is a good thread.
I don't think they do any harm at all. The public get what they pay for and some are happy to pay peanuts to have a unreliable service. We will not change that.
I think the vast majority of customers go through several part timers, beer merchants, dolies and summer merchants before the settle on a reliable proffessonal person. They will also pay well and appreciate you working in most weathers all year round.
Let em come and go!
exactly my point
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Hi Hants Windows,
Firstly I really do believe that "Bumper" is a wind-up merchant and I like him for it (and if he really does look like the picture he's posted...well then I like him all the more!)
But let's assume that his postings are how he genuinely works and what he genuinely believes:
You Hants, me 'ol buddy, me 'ol best pal should be delighted as he makes you look soooo good in comparison that you'll have zero difficulty in taking his customers.
A thing I've never understood: Why are some window cleaners so desparate to give the industry a "good name" that they'll willingly pay £100s in annual licence fees to try to achieve this?
If people ask what I do for a living I tell them I'm a window cleaner and if that makes me scummy in their eyes so be it. I'll not be less scummy when asked what I do for a living and I replied "I'm a licenced window cleaner".
Licences will not send the cowboys packing, after all it hasn't in the cab trade, plumbing trade, sparks trade. building trade (the list is endless) so why should it impact the Bumpers of this world in the window cleaning trade?
The people who advocate licencing are simply and perversely wishing yet another tax on themselves...they'll pay an additional few hundred £ a year into local council coffers...and Bumper won't! Means that Bumper can keep his "cowboy" prices the same whereas you have to up yours a bit to pay for your prestigious licence...like Mrs Smith gives a stuff whether you're licenced or not ::)
it would work if you had to prove you ran a legit biz etc etc
AND
you only had a admin fee to pay ( 30 quid a year )
BUT
we know the council will rake in a few extra quid and the honest workers will be stung with another tax
as you have said, who will care if you have a license ? ? ? ? i know most of mine wouldnt care, they just want a honest guy who does a good job
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This cowboys been going for 25 years when most of you lot were at school ;)
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its dog eat dog round manchester areas every were you look theres a car with a set of ladders on.
And no wheels on it because they have been nicked ::)
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Hi Hants Windows,
Firstly I really do believe that "Bumper" is a wind-up merchant and I like him for it (and if he really does look like the picture he's posted...well then I like him all the more!)
But let's assume that his postings are how he genuinely works and what he genuinely believes:
You Hants, me 'ol buddy, me 'ol best pal should be delighted as he makes you look soooo good in comparison that you'll have zero difficulty in taking his customers.
A thing I've never understood: Why are some window cleaners so desparate to give the industry a "good name" that they'll willingly pay £100s in annual licence fees to try to achieve this?
If people ask what I do for a living I tell them I'm a window cleaner and if that makes me scummy in their eyes so be it. I'll not be less scummy when asked what I do for a living and I replied "I'm a licenced window cleaner".
Licences will not send the cowboys packing, after all it hasn't in the cab trade, plumbing trade, sparks trade. building trade (the list is endless) so why should it impact the Bumpers of this world in the window cleaning trade?
The people who advocate licencing are simply and perversely wishing yet another tax on themselves...they'll pay an additional few hundred £ a year into local council coffers...and Bumper won't! Means that Bumper can keep his "cowboy" prices the same whereas you have to up yours a bit to pay for your prestigious licence...like Mrs Smith gives a stuff whether you're licenced or not ::)
it would work if you had to prove you ran a legit biz etc etc
AND
you only had a admin fee to pay ( 30 quid a year )
BUT
we know the council will rake in a few extra quid and the honest workers will be stung with another tax
as you have said, who will care if you have a license ? ? ? ? i know most of mine wouldnt care, they just want a honest guy who does a good job
Most of mine seem surprised I have insurance.
£30 would soon become £50 then £100...and on and on.
Matt we read from the same page it would be a further tax and I reckon the guys on here who want a "licence" are deep down ashamed at what they do and for some bizarre reason think a licence and perhaps the chance to get to wear a badge like a bone fide cabbie suddenly puts them into the accountant, lawyer, neuro surgion etc bracket.
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its dog eat dog round manchester areas every were you look theres a car with a set of ladders on.
And no wheels on it because they have been nicked ::)
;D ;D ;D
daz
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Hi Hants Windows,
Firstly I really do believe that "Bumper" is a wind-up merchant and I like him for it (and if he really does look like the picture he's posted...well then I like him all the more!)
But let's assume that his postings are how he genuinely works and what he genuinely believes:
You Hants, me 'ol buddy, me 'ol best pal should be delighted as he makes you look soooo good in comparison that you'll have zero difficulty in taking his customers.
A thing I've never understood: Why are some window cleaners so desparate to give the industry a "good name" that they'll willingly pay £100s in annual licence fees to try to achieve this?
If people ask what I do for a living I tell them I'm a window cleaner and if that makes me scummy in their eyes so be it. I'll not be less scummy when asked what I do for a living and I replied "I'm a licenced window cleaner".
Licences will not send the cowboys packing, after all it hasn't in the cab trade, plumbing trade, sparks trade. building trade (the list is endless) so why should it impact the Bumpers of this world in the window cleaning trade?
The people who advocate licencing are simply and perversely wishing yet another tax on themselves...they'll pay an additional few hundred £ a year into local council coffers...and Bumper won't! Means that Bumper can keep his "cowboy" prices the same whereas you have to up yours a bit to pay for your prestigious licence...like Mrs Smith gives a stuff whether you're licenced or not ::)
it would work if you had to prove you ran a legit biz etc etc
AND
you only had a admin fee to pay ( 30 quid a year )
BUT
we know the council will rake in a few extra quid and the honest workers will be stung with another tax
as you have said, who will care if you have a license ? ? ? ? i know most of mine wouldnt care, they just want a honest guy who does a good job
Most of mine seem surprised I have insurance.
£30 would soon become £50 then £100...and on and on.
Matt we read from the same page it would be a further tax and I reckon the guys on here who want a "licence" are deep down ashamed at what they do and for some bizarre reason think a licence and perhaps the chance to get to wear a badge like a bone fide cabbie suddenly puts them into the accountant, lawyer, neuro surgion etc bracket.
i am not ashamed of what i do , quite the opposite,
licensing would make it better for us all.
daz
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Hi Hants Windows,
Firstly I really do believe that "Bumper" is a wind-up merchant and I like him for it (and if he really does look like the picture he's posted...well then I like him all the more!)
But let's assume that his postings are how he genuinely works and what he genuinely believes:
You Hants, me 'ol buddy, me 'ol best pal should be delighted as he makes you look soooo good in comparison that you'll have zero difficulty in taking his customers.
A thing I've never understood: Why are some window cleaners so desparate to give the industry a "good name" that they'll willingly pay £100s in annual licence fees to try to achieve this?
If people ask what I do for a living I tell them I'm a window cleaner and if that makes me scummy in their eyes so be it. I'll not be less scummy when asked what I do for a living and I replied "I'm a licenced window cleaner".
Licences will not send the cowboys packing, after all it hasn't in the cab trade, plumbing trade, sparks trade. building trade (the list is endless) so why should it impact the Bumpers of this world in the window cleaning trade?
The people who advocate licencing are simply and perversely wishing yet another tax on themselves...they'll pay an additional few hundred £ a year into local council coffers...and Bumper won't! Means that Bumper can keep his "cowboy" prices the same whereas you have to up yours a bit to pay for your prestigious licence...like Mrs Smith gives a stuff whether you're licenced or not ::)
it would work if you had to prove you ran a legit biz etc etc
AND
you only had a admin fee to pay ( 30 quid a year )
BUT
we know the council will rake in a few extra quid and the honest workers will be stung with another tax
as you have said, who will care if you have a license ? ? ? ? i know most of mine wouldnt care, they just want a honest guy who does a good job
Most of mine seem surprised I have insurance.
£30 would soon become £50 then £100...and on and on.
Matt we read from the same page it would be a further tax and I reckon the guys on here who want a "licence" are deep down ashamed at what they do and for some bizarre reason think a licence and perhaps the chance to get to wear a badge like a bone fide cabbie suddenly puts them into the accountant, lawyer, neuro surgion etc bracket.
i am not ashamed of what i do , quite the opposite,
licensing would make it better for us all.
daz
remember this a discussion forum
now i dont want to sound argumentative
BUT
why would it be better for us ? ? ? ?
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Hi Hants Windows,
Firstly I really do believe that "Bumper" is a wind-up merchant and I like him for it (and if he really does look like the picture he's posted...well then I like him all the more!)
But let's assume that his postings are how he genuinely works and what he genuinely believes:
You Hants, me 'ol buddy, me 'ol best pal should be delighted as he makes you look soooo good in comparison that you'll have zero difficulty in taking his customers.
A thing I've never understood: Why are some window cleaners so desparate to give the industry a "good name" that they'll willingly pay £100s in annual licence fees to try to achieve this?
If people ask what I do for a living I tell them I'm a window cleaner and if that makes me scummy in their eyes so be it. I'll not be less scummy when asked what I do for a living and I replied "I'm a licenced window cleaner".
Licences will not send the cowboys packing, after all it hasn't in the cab trade, plumbing trade, sparks trade. building trade (the list is endless) so why should it impact the Bumpers of this world in the window cleaning trade?
The people who advocate licencing are simply and perversely wishing yet another tax on themselves...they'll pay an additional few hundred £ a year into local council coffers...and Bumper won't! Means that Bumper can keep his "cowboy" prices the same whereas you have to up yours a bit to pay for your prestigious licence...like Mrs Smith gives a stuff whether you're licenced or not ::)
it would work if you had to prove you ran a legit biz etc etc
AND
you only had a admin fee to pay ( 30 quid a year )
BUT
we know the council will rake in a few extra quid and the honest workers will be stung with another tax
as you have said, who will care if you have a license ? ? ? ? i know most of mine wouldnt care, they just want a honest guy who does a good job
Most of mine seem surprised I have insurance.
£30 would soon become £50 then £100...and on and on.
Matt we read from the same page it would be a further tax and I reckon the guys on here who want a "licence" are deep down ashamed at what they do and for some bizarre reason think a licence and perhaps the chance to get to wear a badge like a bone fide cabbie suddenly puts them into the accountant, lawyer, neuro surgion etc bracket.
indeed
though we seem to have some on here who do think they are as important and have the right to earn as much as accountant, lawyer, neuro surgeons etc
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Matt we read from the same page it would be a further tax and I reckon the guys on here who want a "licence" are deep down ashamed at what they do and for some bizarre reason think a licence and perhaps the chance to get to wear a badge like a bone fide cabbie suddenly puts them into the accountant, lawyer, neuro surgion etc bracket.
What a strange way to look at things.... the subject of " a license ".... is because the title of the topic is ... Window Cleaning-bad name?
So a license would not be readily available to the dole boys..and such.... who give w/c a bad name.
To say people want a license to put them into the accountant, lawyer, neuro surgion etc bracket... its ridiculous....also....who likes wearing a badge.?
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Hi Hants Windows,
Firstly I really do believe that "Bumper" is a wind-up merchant and I like him for it (and if he really does look like the picture he's posted...well then I like him all the more!)
But let's assume that his postings are how he genuinely works and what he genuinely believes:
You Hants, me 'ol buddy, me 'ol best pal should be delighted as he makes you look soooo good in comparison that you'll have zero difficulty in taking his customers.
A thing I've never understood: Why are some window cleaners so desparate to give the industry a "good name" that they'll willingly pay £100s in annual licence fees to try to achieve this?
If people ask what I do for a living I tell them I'm a window cleaner and if that makes me scummy in their eyes so be it. I'll not be less scummy when asked what I do for a living and I replied "I'm a licenced window cleaner".
Licences will not send the cowboys packing, after all it hasn't in the cab trade, plumbing trade, sparks trade. building trade (the list is endless) so why should it impact the Bumpers of this world in the window cleaning trade?
The people who advocate licencing are simply and perversely wishing yet another tax on themselves...they'll pay an additional few hundred £ a year into local council coffers...and Bumper won't! Means that Bumper can keep his "cowboy" prices the same whereas you have to up yours a bit to pay for your prestigious licence...like Mrs Smith gives a stuff whether you're licenced or not ::)
it would work if you had to prove you ran a legit biz etc etc
AND
you only had a admin fee to pay ( 30 quid a year )
BUT
we know the council will rake in a few extra quid and the honest workers will be stung with another tax
as you have said, who will care if you have a license ? ? ? ? i know most of mine wouldnt care, they just want a honest guy who does a good job
Most of mine seem surprised I have insurance.
£30 would soon become £50 then £100...and on and on.
Matt we read from the same page it would be a further tax and I reckon the guys on here who want a "licence" are deep down ashamed at what they do and for some bizarre reason think a licence and perhaps the chance to get to wear a badge like a bone fide cabbie suddenly puts them into the accountant, lawyer, neuro surgion etc bracket.
i am not ashamed of what i do , quite the opposite,
licensing would make it better for us all.
daz
remember this a discussion forum
now i dont want to sound argumentative
BUT
why would it be better for us ? ? ? ?
matt
i think it would be for the better , even if it only stopped the dole boys, it would be worth it,
as it stands any one can easily set up , and still claim dole money , i wonder what you would think if one targeted your round, and went in with rediculious prices?
would you say good of him , ? dont think you would .
daz
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Hi Hants Windows,
Firstly I really do believe that "Bumper" is a wind-up merchant and I like him for it (and if he really does look like the picture he's posted...well then I like him all the more!)
But let's assume that his postings are how he genuinely works and what he genuinely believes:
You Hants, me 'ol buddy, me 'ol best pal should be delighted as he makes you look soooo good in comparison that you'll have zero difficulty in taking his customers.
A thing I've never understood: Why are some window cleaners so desparate to give the industry a "good name" that they'll willingly pay £100s in annual licence fees to try to achieve this?
If people ask what I do for a living I tell them I'm a window cleaner and if that makes me scummy in their eyes so be it. I'll not be less scummy when asked what I do for a living and I replied "I'm a licenced window cleaner".
Licences will not send the cowboys packing, after all it hasn't in the cab trade, plumbing trade, sparks trade. building trade (the list is endless) so why should it impact the Bumpers of this world in the window cleaning trade?
The people who advocate licencing are simply and perversely wishing yet another tax on themselves...they'll pay an additional few hundred £ a year into local council coffers...and Bumper won't! Means that Bumper can keep his "cowboy" prices the same whereas you have to up yours a bit to pay for your prestigious licence...like Mrs Smith gives a stuff whether you're licenced or not ::)
it would work if you had to prove you ran a legit biz etc etc
AND
you only had a admin fee to pay ( 30 quid a year )
BUT
we know the council will rake in a few extra quid and the honest workers will be stung with another tax
as you have said, who will care if you have a license ? ? ? ? i know most of mine wouldnt care, they just want a honest guy who does a good job
Most of mine seem surprised I have insurance.
£30 would soon become £50 then £100...and on and on.
Matt we read from the same page it would be a further tax and I reckon the guys on here who want a "licence" are deep down ashamed at what they do and for some bizarre reason think a licence and perhaps the chance to get to wear a badge like a bone fide cabbie suddenly puts them into the accountant, lawyer, neuro surgion etc bracket.
i am not ashamed of what i do , quite the opposite,
licensing would make it better for us all.
daz
remember this a discussion forum
now i dont want to sound argumentative
BUT
why would it be better for us ? ? ? ?
matt
i think it would be for the better , even if it only stopped the dole boys, it would be worth it,
as it stands any one can easily set up , and still claim dole money , i wonder what you would think if one targeted your round, and went in with rediculious prices?
would you say good of him , ? dont think you would .
daz
i can see what you mean
BUT
if a dole'y works now still signing on and not paying tax etc etc
i honestly do not see how a license would stop them, they would still work without one, afterall they are breaking the law by signing on and working, not paying tax etc etc, so would they bother with a license ? ? ? ? my feeling so no, it wouldnt make a jot of difference to them
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Matt we read from the same page it would be a further tax and I reckon the guys on here who want a "licence" are deep down ashamed at what they do and for some bizarre reason think a licence and perhaps the chance to get to wear a badge like a bone fide cabbie suddenly puts them into the accountant, lawyer, neuro surgion etc bracket.
What a strange way to look at things.... the subject of " a license ".... is because the title of the topic is ... Window Cleaning-bad name?
So a license would not be readily available to the dole boys..and such.... who give w/c a bad name.
To say people want a license to put them into the accountant, lawyer, neuro surgion etc bracket... its ridiculous....also....who likes wearing a badge.?
but will a license stop them ? ? ? ?
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Hi Hants Windows,
Firstly I really do believe that "Bumper" is a wind-up merchant and I like him for it (and if he really does look like the picture he's posted...well then I like him all the more!)
But let's assume that his postings are how he genuinely works and what he genuinely believes:
You Hants, me 'ol buddy, me 'ol best pal should be delighted as he makes you look soooo good in comparison that you'll have zero difficulty in taking his customers.
A thing I've never understood: Why are some window cleaners so desparate to give the industry a "good name" that they'll willingly pay £100s in annual licence fees to try to achieve this?
If people ask what I do for a living I tell them I'm a window cleaner and if that makes me scummy in their eyes so be it. I'll not be less scummy when asked what I do for a living and I replied "I'm a licenced window cleaner".
Licences will not send the cowboys packing, after all it hasn't in the cab trade, plumbing trade, sparks trade. building trade (the list is endless) so why should it impact the Bumpers of this world in the window cleaning trade?
The people who advocate licencing are simply and perversely wishing yet another tax on themselves...they'll pay an additional few hundred £ a year into local council coffers...and Bumper won't! Means that Bumper can keep his "cowboy" prices the same whereas you have to up yours a bit to pay for your prestigious licence...like Mrs Smith gives a stuff whether you're licenced or not ::)
Excellent reply as usual from you Simon, and Bumper tells it how it is in his area. Matt is objective, Ian Giles, Tosh and Dave St Ives tell the truth.
These guys are happy with who they are, what they do for a living is irrelevant. Because they are all emotionally intelligent people, they have good communication skills, really in tune with how the majority think, these skills are more important than any other in any business, not least ours, if you can endear yourself to your customers you will succeed.
You can have the best equipment, van, uniform etc, but if your not a nice person most of your customers will see right through you, A nice guy that does a good job will win every time in the long run, even if he runs a battered old Mondeo. When I say nice guy I don't mean some softy that allows himself to be walked on, I mean a guy with the perception to pitch the ball just where the client wants it.
Actually being able to clean a window is way down the list of skills required to be a successful window cleaner.
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matt
i think it would be for the better , even if it only stopped the dole boys, it would be worth it,
as it stands any one can easily set up , and still claim dole money , i wonder what you would think if one targeted your round, and went in with rediculious prices?
would you say good of him , ? dont think you would .
daz
i can see what you mean
BUT
if a dole'y works now still signing on and not paying tax etc etc
i honestly do not see how a license would stop them, they would still work without one, afterall they are breaking the law by signing on and working, not paying tax etc etc, so would they bother with a license ? ? ? ? my feeling so no, it wouldnt make a jot of difference to them
if it was implimented well , and avertised well , then the general public would be more ,aware as to whether their window cleaner was legit,
as it stands the dole boys can carry on without fear of being checked.
daz
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There has been a phoneline which is free of charge as well as the internet to shop these people, but they still carry on.
If one of these tried to target my work, I would inform on him.
So if you are really upset by these people then pick up the phone, you don't even have to give your details.
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matt
i think it would be for the better , even if it only stopped the dole boys, it would be worth it,
as it stands any one can easily set up , and still claim dole money , i wonder what you would think if one targeted your round, and went in with rediculious prices?
would you say good of him , ? dont think you would .
daz
i can see what you mean
BUT
if a dole'y works now still signing on and not paying tax etc etc
i honestly do not see how a license would stop them, they would still work without one, afterall they are breaking the law by signing on and working, not paying tax etc etc, so would they bother with a license ? ? ? ? my feeling so no, it wouldnt make a jot of difference to them
if it was implimented well , and avertised well , then the general public would be more ,aware as to whether their window cleaner was legit,
as it stands the dole boys can carry on without fear of being checked.
daz
when i started in the building game in the early 90's they had a big campain to make sure the people on sites had a self employed card ( it was called a SC60, if my memory is correct, i think it was then called a CIS card ) i still have mine in my wallet as it happens, the idea was to stop " self employed labour " not paying tax, the rumour was the tax people would arrive with the dole inspectors and check every1 on the site, at the time i was on a rather big building site for 2 ish year, it was a site that was being built by a number of building companies, at times the site has 100's of people on it
now in the 2 years we never saw any1, we knew of a fair few who were " cash in hand guys " they were earning a little less than us
now my guess is the same goes on now, except they will be from east europe, they pay no tax, cash in hand from the builders
its now allmost 20 years on and the same thing goes on, it didnt work in the building game :( would it work in the window cleaning world
just pitching a alternative view here guys ( i pay my tax, PL insurance etc etc )
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What makes me smile is that you would expect a lot of customers to believe all window cleaners are the same.
But there are actually some window cleaners who believe because you have that title in common you can compare yourself to all other window cleaners.
It’s always the ones who are least professional been doing the job for some time and haven’t even learnt how to price a job correctly.
Fact is you have reached your level of incompetence, and unfortunately you are just a scruff bag who likes to compare yourself with window cleaners who are a success. Just because you can clean some glass, but unable to do anything else that’s needed to be successful.
;D ;D ;D
Hi Hants Windows,
Firstly I really do believe that "Bumper" is a wind-up merchant and I like him for it (and if he really does look like the picture he's posted...well then I like him all the more!)
But let's assume that his postings are how he genuinely works and what he genuinely believes:
You Hants, me 'ol buddy, me 'ol best pal should be delighted as he makes you look soooo good in comparison that you'll have zero difficulty in taking his customers.
A thing I've never understood: Why are some window cleaners so desparate to give the industry a "good name" that they'll willingly pay £100s in annual licence fees to try to achieve this?
If people ask what I do for a living I tell them I'm a window cleaner and if that makes me scummy in their eyes so be it. I'll not be less scummy when asked what I do for a living and I replied "I'm a licenced window cleaner".
Licences will not send the cowboys packing, after all it hasn't in the cab trade, plumbing trade, sparks trade. building trade (the list is endless) so why should it impact the Bumpers of this world in the window cleaning trade?
The people who advocate licencing are simply and perversely wishing yet another tax on themselves...they'll pay an additional few hundred £ a year into local council coffers...and Bumper won't! Means that Bumper can keep his "cowboy" prices the same whereas you have to up yours a bit to pay for your prestigious licence...like Mrs Smith gives a stuff whether you're licenced or not ::)
Excellent reply as usual from you Simon, and Bumper tells it how it is in his area. Matt is objective, Ian Giles, Tosh and Dave St Ives tell the truth.
These guys are happy with who they are, what they do for a living is irrelevant. Because they are all emotionally intelligent people, they have good communication skills, really in tune with how the majority think, these skills are more important than any other in any business, not least ours, if you can endear yourself to your customers you will succeed.
You can have the best equipment, van, uniform etc, but if your not a nice person most of your customers will see right through you, A nice guy that does a good job will win every time in the long run, even if he runs a battered old Mondeo. When I say nice guy I don't mean some softy that allows himself to be walked on, I mean a guy with the perception to pitch the ball just where the client wants it.
Actually being able to clean a window is way down the list of skills required to be a successful window cleaner.
He was a self-made man who owed his lack of success to nobody.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
ewan, who are these posts aimed at ? ? ? ? bumper ?? ??
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matt
i think it would be for the better , even if it only stopped the dole boys, it would be worth it,
as it stands any one can easily set up , and still claim dole money , i wonder what you would think if one targeted your round, and went in with rediculious prices?
would you say good of him , ? dont think you would .
daz
i can see what you mean
BUT
if a dole'y works now still signing on and not paying tax etc etc
i honestly do not see how a license would stop them, they would still work without one, afterall they are breaking the law by signing on and working, not paying tax etc etc, so would they bother with a license ? ? ? ? my feeling so no, it wouldnt make a jot of difference to them
if it was implimented well , and avertised well , then the general public would be more ,aware as to whether their window cleaner was legit,
as it stands the dole boys can carry on without fear of being checked.
daz
when i started in the building game in the early 90's they had a big campain to make sure the people on sites had a self employed card ( it was called a SC60, if my memory is correct, i think it was then called a CIS card ) i still have mine in my wallet as it happens, the idea was to stop " self employed labour " not paying tax, the rumour was the tax people would arrive with the dole inspectors and check every1 on the site, at the time i was on a rather big building site for 2 ish year, it was a site that was being built by a number of building companies, at times the site has 100's of people on it
now in the 2 years we never saw any1, we knew of a fair few who were " cash in hand guys " they were earning a little less than us
now my guess is the same goes on now, except they will be from east europe, they pay no tax, cash in hand from the builders
its now allmost 20 years on and the same thing goes on, it didnt work in the building game :( would it work in the window cleaning world
just pitching a alternative view here guys ( i pay my tax, PL insurance etc etc )
some very good points there matt, it is just that i get really fed up trying to run a legit buisness,
only last week i learned of a window cleaner who charges £3.00 per house ,
these are houses that i charged that much on nearly 20 years ago.
daz
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Ewan sort of started very keen and full of questions, eager to learn. Enthusiastic would sum him up, often thanking old hands for info and bounding around the forum like a puppy. He used to start a lot of threads on aims, ambitions, and where we were headed.
Of late though he has adopted an increasingly bitter tone, and often gets into pointless arguments.
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Ewan sort of started very keen and full of questions, eager to learn. Enthusiastic would sum him up, often thanking old hands for info and bounding around the forum like a puppy. He used to start a lot of threads on aims, ambitions, and where we were headed.
Of late though he has adopted an increasingly bitter tone, and often gets into pointless arguments.
the new CIU troll ;) we allways have 1 ;)
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matt
i think it would be for the better , even if it only stopped the dole boys, it would be worth it,
as it stands any one can easily set up , and still claim dole money , i wonder what you would think if one targeted your round, and went in with rediculious prices?
would you say good of him , ? dont think you would .
daz
i can see what you mean
BUT
if a dole'y works now still signing on and not paying tax etc etc
i honestly do not see how a license would stop them, they would still work without one, afterall they are breaking the law by signing on and working, not paying tax etc etc, so would they bother with a license ? ? ? ? my feeling so no, it wouldnt make a jot of difference to them
if it was implimented well , and avertised well , then the general public would be more ,aware as to whether their window cleaner was legit,
as it stands the dole boys can carry on without fear of being checked.
daz
when i started in the building game in the early 90's they had a big campain to make sure the people on sites had a self employed card ( it was called a SC60, if my memory is correct, i think it was then called a CIS card ) i still have mine in my wallet as it happens, the idea was to stop " self employed labour " not paying tax, the rumour was the tax people would arrive with the dole inspectors and check every1 on the site, at the time i was on a rather big building site for 2 ish year, it was a site that was being built by a number of building companies, at times the site has 100's of people on it
now in the 2 years we never saw any1, we knew of a fair few who were " cash in hand guys " they were earning a little less than us
now my guess is the same goes on now, except they will be from east europe, they pay no tax, cash in hand from the builders
its now allmost 20 years on and the same thing goes on, it didnt work in the building game :( would it work in the window cleaning world
just pitching a alternative view here guys ( i pay my tax, PL insurance etc etc )
some very good points there matt, it is just that i get really fed up trying to run a legit buisness,
only last week i learned of a window cleaner who charges £3.00 per house ,
these are houses that i charged that much on nearly 20 years ago.
daz
to be fair, im just trying to be objective in this discussion
I am also trying not to be judgemental on people these days, if this bumper guy is not just a guy having a laugh, then he is just doing what he does to get by, it could be worse, he could be out robbing houses or mugging people to get a few extra quid to top up his dole
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If i charged £10.00 a house i will be out of buissness in a week.plus when your on the dole you have to prove to them you have been looking for work ,plus you have to go on courses now for 2 weeks or they will stop your dole,i find it very hard fitting my windowround in between the courses.
BUMPER ;D
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he is quite funny if it's intentional, but he usually only makes odd little comments and spells badly so he could be genuine. I don't think the avatar is him, but it could be.
If he was my window cleaner i would accept what he says without question and never dream he was making a fool of me.As in "I asked that strange little man who does our windows why he'd put a note through the door but hadn't done our windows, he said it had been raining since.He smiled at me and half his teeth were missing so I just paid him and came away from the door scratching my head."
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well done spot on how do you know i put notes in ! :o
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BUMPER! I've got to know and the forum do too! Put us out of our misery!
Is that you in your avatar? ;D
This is way more important than how you handle your tax affairs!
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yes just ask wood windows hes a nice guy who gos to the same cafe in morning as me,but i dornt think hes been on forum for a while ?my mate says they feel sorry for me thats why they pay me. ;D
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Bumper,
2 questions,
1 is your profile photo you?
2 WFP or Trad?
Dean
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yes that is a photo of bumper .hes a nice guy as long as you dont get on the wrong side of him.he bit another window cleaners ear off once because he was cleaning on the same street as him
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Its alright for some window cleaners who talk aload of fairy saying 2 men can earn 500 pound in a day,ive being doing window cleaning 25 years and i dornt know anybody who can do that much work in a day,and when i come on talking fairy stories there all up in arms and jealous,i start at 8.30 till 2 pm with 3 of us and we only do about 200 pound on a good day with prices range from £ 3.50 to £5.00 thats all you get up north greatermanchester, and your lucky if you get paid at all,its not like you southerners all ladi da i get £25 a house ill not get out of bed for under £20 i have a new van with a top notch system,and i bet most of you dornt declare what you earnings are,and if you do your lair.
RANT OVER ;)
What about this then -
Re: commercial / shops. what is it worth poll.
« Reply #96 on: August 23, 2008, 02:27:06 PM »
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i make 300 pound for nothing every fortnight all i have to do is collect the houses ,clean them one fortnight and bump them the next, you might get the odd one who moans ,i say it must be the new lad love hes a trainee,its best if its rained that week coz they carnt tell if they have been done are not, if they say they are a bit dirty i just say its coz of the rain and wind we have had,that will be 7 pound please i love it easy money
I though you only charged £3.50 - £5.00 ;D
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yes that was one of my best job now ive lost that because of the credit brunch >:(
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Bumper
I dont know if you are aware but swearing in any form isnt allowed
Moderator
sorry dave, but ive never met a windowcleaner who dosnt swear :)
Thats maybe, but we like to keep this forum clean.