Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: ansar@amahmood6.or on December 13, 2008, 08:00:06 pm
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hi i have been useing enzall from chemspec i find it a very good product but has and body used power burst from prochem is it good as enzall ?
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Dont take this the wrong way but at a guess your of Asian Background , if this is the case its so weird
That you type how you would normally speak , Cool 8)
No used neither , used lots of others by Prochem in the past I now use MP + HD mostly , good value for £ and ace results
Ricky
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I love powerburst. Use it whenever possible, trouble is when you have to use something else you think your machines not working. ;D
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I use powerburst, its excellent stuff ;D
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I can't manage a whole pint though. :P
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I can't manage a whole pint though. :P
i can ;D
derek
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yes but you worked up to it Derek by drinking 20 bottles of Viking a day.
Never tried Enzall but I bet it doesnt arf clear you out. :o
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20 cases more like it ;D
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Enzall is a Enzyme great on protein stains,
Poweburst great on heavily soiled carpets.
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i'm slowly converting to micro splitters, pure clean concentrate.
been using powerburst for a while and highly rate it, but pure clean on wool is outstanding. still undecided which way to go.
derek
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i'm slowly converting to micro splitters, pure clean concentrate.
Strangely I've gone back the other way.
Gone from the full range of Prochem onto the m/s which I don't rate and now trying out the Chemspec range.
Haven't tried the Enzall yet but the other spotters are doing the job a lot quicker and easier than the m/s range.
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the problem with m/s is you have to agitate, i prespray, agitate with duo, then prespary then leave to dwell, just feel m/s gets a few more bits out than stuff like multi pro and pb but takes a bit longer, but at the same time when i'm using detergents i end up doing a few bits with m/s after clean to get a better result. still experimenting though, early days, either way i'm getting fantastic results.
derek
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To be honest, most chems perform well. The secret is knowing which fibre/construction/soiling responds to which chems.
In general terms, detergent technology is very advanced and, IMO, because of evermore restrictive H&S regulations, tend to be quite narrowly focused in their best use.
Relatively speaking, detergent free technology is in it's infancy. The ingredients are typically simpler and greener and , as highlighted by Derek because of the typical degree of agitation required, tend to work in a wider spectrum of soil/fibre types. Although detergents can often perform well with less or even no agitation, even the less agressive wool suitable products can perform on heavier soiling levels if agitation is used at a similar level to the detergent free products.
As much as it is about chemistry, it's also about physics, so always have in mind the C.H.A.T/T.A.C.T. cleaning pie.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken
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Ken
I prefer to use the S.H.A.T. ;D Solution, Heat, Agitation, Time.
Bob
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the problem with m/s is you have to agitate, i prespray, agitate with duo, then prespary then leave to dwell, just feel m/s gets a few more bits out than stuff like multi pro and pb but takes a bit longer, but at the same time when i'm using detergents i end up doing a few bits with m/s after clean to get a better result. still experimenting though, early days, either way i'm getting fantastic results.
derek
If you apply the same proceedure you use for MS to Power burst you will find the results far better than when using MS.
I was taken in by the Microsplitting thing but when I started using it I had made two changes. The first being the chemical, the second being the proceedure. I saw an improvement in results and thought it was down to the chemicals. Then I did a lot of side by side tests comparing MS to trad chems. The latter won hands down and that was before I discovered Powerburst.
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Ive recently done some trashed rental properties, half carpet presprayed and left to dwell with craftex champion very high ph! and other half with M/S. All carpet scrubbed with victor sprite and then extracted with CFR, and M/S side won hands down!!
will keep to my trusty M/S
the debate continues!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stu
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Ive recently done some trashed rental properties, half carpet presprayed and left to dwell with craftex champion very high ph! and other half with M/S. All carpet scrubbed with victor sprite and then extracted with CFR, and M/S side won hands down!!
will keep to my trusty M/S
the debate continues!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stu
It's when I read something like that I start to doubt the validity of the experements I have done. Maybe I tested carpets and soil types that are best suited to trad chems. Who knows.
Maybe someone that has a good knowledge of the chemistry could come and tell us what works best on what.
I know Ken touched on the subject earlier. Care to elaborate Ken?
Champion is the very one I was using for many of my tests. Every now and then I get the MS out the shed and give it another go but I have yet to see anything that changes my views. I tend to always keep an open mind on these things but much the same as you, while I'm willing to learn I will continue to use what works for me until I discover something better.
Must be very confusing for newbies reading this.
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Nevil - I wonder when you say every so often you get MS out of the shed
1. how long you had them? do MS deterioate in time? I dont know - maybe somone can answer.
2. Have MS progressed since you bought the one you have?. - again I dont know.
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What stuck in my mind is that someone like Simon Gerrard goes on some of the worlds most prestigious ships and dowses their wool carpets with Powerburst.
Got me thinking surely if there was ever a problem after doing it for years and years he'd be facing a massive law suit for damages by now.
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What stuck in my mind is that someone like Simon Gerrard goes on some of the worlds most prestigious ships and dowses their wool carpets with Powerburst.
Got me thinking surely if there was ever a problem after doing it for years and years he'd be facing a massive law suit for damages by now.
I use crystal green on my own white wool carpet, never had a problem, I do them every 6 months as a matter of course, never noticed rapid resoiling or any change in the wool, i do mist a little fibre and fabric rinse over at the end but thats about it.
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Dont take this the wrong way but at a guess your of Asian Background , if this is the case its so weird
That you type how you would normally speak , Cool 8)
No used neither , used lots of others by Prochem in the past I now use MP + HD mostly , good value for £ and ace results
Ricky
LOL. I'm guessing that English is your first and only language, and if that is so that you haven't yet got to grips with the difference between 'your' and 'you're'. They are not inter-changeable!
Happy New Year!
Freddie
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What stuck in my mind is that someone like Simon Gerrard goes on some of the worlds most prestigious ships and dowses their wool carpets with Powerburst.
Got me thinking surely if there was ever a problem after doing it for years and years he'd be facing a massive law suit for damages by now.
ive been doing a wool carpet (100% durham wool) every year useing high ph and its never given us any problems and its had over 30 cleans ! this custy is a friend of the family and i can rember going to clean this lovely puple carpet with great big yellow flowers from me being a nice little girl in pig tales ;D
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Susan , I know you fully endorse using hydramaster equipment are you saying you use blitz on most of your domestic work
John
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Susan , I know you fully endorse using hydramaster equipment are you saying you use blitz on most of your domestic work
John
dont use blitz anymore i like power bust with cita boost mixed in with it ;D
i do carry m.s for eco cleaning but thats for people that ask for it
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its a no brainer really !
m/s works well with lots of agitation, power burst works well with no agitation !
i know which one i would choose ;)
regards
steve
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Thanks Susan a no nonsense answer. powerburst is my no1 prespray at the moment , extracting with high heat from chemspec
All the best John
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I have used Chemspec Enzall & Prochem Powerburst. Both chemicals perform VERY well however, POWERBURST is the better of the 2. Plus the fact i found that the Enzall gave me problems with my Asthma. Prochem POWERBURST is a chemical that all carpet cleaners should carry on their van. All to many of the ECO WARRIER carpet cleaners will give you a load of bla bla bla regarding products like Powerburst. At the end of the day if it is used as directed via the label the only problem you will have is realising that you have not been cleaning carpets in the past as well as you would have if you had used Powerburst. I have used it wool & wool mix carpets for ages & have NEVER had a problem.
Richie.
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Are these the eco warriors that drive to the jobs in large diesel or petrol vans then fire up a diesel truckmount and leave running even when they're not using them??
;D
Regards
John
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So what do you guys use on suites then ???
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Are these the eco warriors that drive to the jobs in large diesel or petrol vans then fire up a diesel truckmount and leave running even when they're not using them??
;D
Regards
John
yes we do but when there running on bi fuel like me it doesnt count
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What's bio fuel?
Never seen it at Tesco's, is it cheaper than normal diesel? My guess would be no but if it is!!
John
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Enzall is the best for pub / resturant carpets
Powerburst for really dirty carpets ;)
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What's bio fuel?
Never seen it at Tesco's, is it cheaper than normal diesel? My guess would be no but if it is!!
John
im lucky as hubbys best mate as aplant that makes the stuff for 50p a ltr made out of old cooking oil ;D
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Susan
Much cheaper than diesel as well for your truck mount :)
Wonder if i could use it on my gixer 600 ;)
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hold on clinton, is that susan sister next to you ?
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:o
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i was referring to the eco warrior CCs that seem to endlessly slag of chems such as Powerburst, Blitz and the likes of. Unless portys have changed from electric to some kind of eco fuel people should remember that ELECTRIC is not exactly ECO friendly.
i find it funny hearing people rant n rave about what they seem to think that chems such as Powerburst will damage wool & that porty users are quick to give TMs a ECO knock. The aggitation that is required by ECO chems is far more likely to cause damage to wool carpets than higher Ph chems, Portys not only use electric that adds to global warming via the way its made but they also create poor indoor air quality.
Richie.
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Good point made by Richie....
I've been using Microsplitters for some years, before that I used what I considered to be a safe, powdered, "self-neutralising" solution.
During this whole time I have always used a host CWB for aggitation, (in fact I was a little upset with the recent popularity of MS because more cleaners were using some form of aggitation.....used to be my big selling point etc etc.)
However, it has always been at the back of my mind that even if soft brushes are used......surely this must cause more damage to a textile than correctly using conventional chemicals without aggitation!..........
......the only thing is, I still haven't found a cleaning solution that will give the same results, (without aggitation), as a "mild" solution in conjunction with aggitation.
PS Chuffin cold outside.....next week colder...... :-\
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Paul
;D
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I think most carpets would benefit from some form of aggitation regardless of type of solution used. if using conventional detergents or coloids the idea is to get the solution to the soil, if this is deep down the pile then the best way to get it there is by aggitation. This will save having to use more solution to accomplish the same thing while at the same time helps prevent overwetting the carpet. With microsplitting obviously no dwell time is involved.
I use the gold brushes with the envirodri machine on most carpet types and these are very soft, there is no way you could damage any fibres with these brushes, it is just like taking your car to the car wash.
I do not believe one chemical will do every job, this is where experience comes into the equation to pick and choose which is best for the soil type and fibre.
I have used most of the chemicals over the years, Blitz, Powerburst, Enzal, Pure clean etc, looking for the ultimate chemical. The truth is you will be able to get good results from any of these chemicals when used the correct way, it is more down to the operator than the solutions if it does not work.
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Derek, you are so right.
It is easy to clean the top of a carpet.
but to get at the dirt toward the bottom is a different story.
thats where higher pressure machines are better, but along with that you need to be able to extract as well. - 2 vac motor better the 1, 3 better then 2, TM better then 3 on a portable.
prespray important too, like you say, you dont want to get the carpet too wet - which is easy to do.
Best way to achieve that is just to presparay just enough and agitate so the fluid is able to get into the carpet and all around the fibres. I use the Envirodri gold/white - not quite as soft as Dereks Gold but I find ok.
Dwell time is important too - if the manufacturer says dwell time needed then one would be an impatient fool not to. Some fluids need more time then others to break down sticky dirt.
And I agree Derek, if it seems a product is not working, first place to look is the operator and method used. And it does take time to for an operator to get some fluids to work. When one cleaner says they are very happy using XYZ product, and another says its useless - somethings got to be wrong somewhere, and I usually go with the one thats making it work.
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If you are cleaning a carpet then obviously you will choose a carpet cleaning chemical. I have tried many different chemicals in the past 15 years or so. i have tried everything from baby soft skin type chems to jack hammer chems. All chems suited for carpet cleaning will clean however, some will clean better than others. Depending on the level of soil & the situation i will choose from One Step MS - PC Pure Clean - PC Powerburst. Generally for light soil i will use MS or Pure Clean, medium to dirty id choose Pure Clean and then Dirty to the uncleanable id choose PC Powerburst. Light aggitation for a pile brush is something i would not worry about but going the next move to electrical aggitation i do feel can cause problems.
Richie.
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Richie
Are you saying the concept of ECO cleaning is whether a chem may cause fibre damage or not? ???
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No, im saying that many of the chems that people r raving about that are on the ECO side are not upto the job in many cases without lots of aggitation. Its the aggitation that will cause the fibre damage.
Richie.