Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jaykie on December 03, 2008, 07:00:33 pm
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Admin why has LWC been banned from forum for making that remark, it had lol at the end which means Laugh Out Loud so it was said as a joke, if your banning him due to advertisement i could easily bring up old posts and show you where other suppliers have advertised there business on here but i wont do that as wont do tit for tat.
Chris
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They may have just restricted his acsess for a while, it's a slap on the wrist, i've had it done before! Don't know what's gone off but he doesn't seem the kind of guy who would purposely say anything out of hand.
Tony
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what did he say????? :o
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http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=65984.0
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????? sorry am i missing something?? ::)
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I can see anything untoward here :-\
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The bit where he says
So now you all now where to come to get your supplies lol!
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no way......what the...wot?.......madness. >:(
matt, stop trying to sell us stuff, its very naughty. ::)
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Blimey!!! :o
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He was advertising a little with his avatar, don't understand it really, some of the big boys blatantly advertise a whole price list and abuse members on here at the same time. Probably a good reason somewhere.
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Its the post and avator, but most people have a direct link to there website under there avator.
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They may have just restricted his acsess for a while, it's a slap on the wrist, i've had it done before! Don't know what's gone off but he doesn't seem the kind of guy who would purposely say anything out of hand.
Tony
Ah, is that why a few times in the last year or so I couldn't get on here.
It kept saying there was some fault or other.
Or does it just do that from time to time?
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He isnt banned, his username is still clickable!
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He can read the site but banned from putting up posts, so just remember big lwc is watching you >:(
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He was advertising a little with his avatar, don't understand it really, some of the big boys blatantly advertise a whole price list and abuse members on here at the same time. Probably a good reason somewhere.
Hmmmmm now i will have to spend at least 2 mins of my time to find out why ;)
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No, you haven't been permanently banned. You just need to be aware of our new advertising policy before you can start posting again. Members can no longer advertise the sale of products or equipment free of charge. I notice that you now sell window cleaning equipment and I've attached our price list for you. A link on the bottom of your signature like the one you had added will cost £150+vat per m
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They may have just restricted his acsess for a while, it's a slap on the wrist, i've had it done before! Don't know what's gone off but he doesn't seem the kind of guy who would purposely say anything out of hand.
Tony
Ah, is that why a few times in the last year or so I couldn't get on here.
It kept saying there was some fault or other.
Or does it just do that from time to time?
Yeah, probably, it happens to all us bad boys from time to time ;D
tony
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I think its a little harsh that some have built there business through this forum, now there up running and established so dont need to pay the £150 + vat a month to have there link under avator, but some who are setting up and trying to help us is now going to get punished.
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A word of warning would have been a respectable first move not a temporary ban.
By the way Just bought a load of gear from Him ;D ;D ;D Thanks LWC ;)
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Where did you buy it from lol have you got a link
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I think its a little harsh that some have built there business through this forum, now there up running and established so dont need to pay the £150 + vat a month to have there link under avator, but some who are setting up and trying to help us is now going to get punished.
who in their right mind is going to pay 150 quid a month for a link? 8)
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No, you haven't been permanently banned. You just need to be aware of our new advertising policy before you can start posting again. Members can no longer advertise the sale of products or equipment free of charge. I notice that you now sell window cleaning equipment and I've attached our price list for you. A link on the bottom of your signature like the one you had added will cost £150+vat per m
Wonder what LWC is going to spend his £520 tax rebate on then?
Simon.
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No, you haven't been permanently banned. You just need to be aware of our new advertising policy before you can start posting again. Members can no longer advertise the sale of products or equipment free of charge. I notice that you now sell window cleaning equipment and I've attached our price list for you. A link on the bottom of your signature like the one you had added will cost £150+vat per m
Wonder what LWC is going to spend his £520 tax rebate on then?
Simon.
;D ;D ;D
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I think this ban has given him more business , as all those that did'nt know he sells things do now ;D
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I think this ban has given him more business , as all those that did'nt know he sells things do now ;D
Im serious whats the link? email me it or tell me what to google ;)
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I might have a look and see what he has for sale... ;D
Cheers
Dave
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www.equip-direct-shop.co.uk (http://www.equip-direct-shop.co.uk)
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what a joke!!!!!!!!!
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The site is in the process of becoming ready so please go easy on him as he isnt the easyest of people to tahe critisism
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Haven't you worked it out yet, mike started CIU to drum up business for express cleaning supplies and that hasn't happened. What has happened is that individuals have come on here and built their business up with some free advertising and now Mike has had enough. I can kind of understand it as if you built a website/forum and it advertised rivals more than yourself then you would be pretty miffed that this was the case. LWC I expect was a particular threat because he was going into supplies ie in direct competition to express. I do think thats why he was banned from posting although I do think it was heavy handed to ban him without warning (if thats the case). I also wonder if this "new" policy was brought about by people like lwc being in the same market as Express. Clearly some people are going to fall foul of this new policy eg window washers. I assume he will have to pay because he advertises a business yet he could hardly be called competition to Express. I honestly believe that what has gone on is that Mike is fed up of rivals advertising here and that he has realised that by charging £150pm he will be able to (a) Be able to stop direct competition from advertising here unless they pay which will mean he makes £1800 from every competitor and (B) he has realised that he can make the same from other companies that are actually NOT in direct competition with them. However what hasn't been considered is that if the suppliers are out off by this then they wont post, and therefore the membership lose a resource and the forum becomes poorer and could end up losing members as that is part of the attraction of CIU - the diverse membership.
The site sponsor is my local supplier. Do I use them? Rarely. Why? Because they don't stock the range of others. They don't sell Xtels, Sl2/SLX, etc etc. If I looked at their range I would think a powerpole was cutting edge (no offence Glyn & omnipole) and here lies the problem (from a window cleaning point of view). You cant get the products you want off em, Express dont have the range of up to date products that people want to buy, If they stocked xtels for example and they were well priced then maybe that would drum up more business. As for CIU I think it has failed in expectations from the sponsor in that it would promote their business but what is has achieved is it has become the largest cleaning forum there is and as great as that is it isn't quite how the founders vision saw it going.
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If you email him and get his catalogue, its really good.
Chris
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yeah he emailed me.. ;)
Well if you stop this type of advertising, in effect you should also stop members from linking to suppliers just like "other" forums.
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Haven't you worked it out yet, mile started CIU to drum up business for express cleaning supplies and that hasn't happened. What has happened is that individuals have come on here and built their business up with some free advertising and now Mike has had enough. I can kind of understand it as if you built a website/forum and it advertised rivals more than yourself then you would be pretty miffed that this was the case. LWC I expect was a particular threat because he was going into supplies ie in direct competition to express. I do think thats why he was banned from posting although I do think it was heavy handed to ban him without warning (if thats the case). I also wonder if this "new" policy was brought about by people like lwc being in the same market as Express. Clearly some people are going to fall foul of this new policy eg window washers. I assume he will have to pay because he advertises a business yet he could hardly be called competition to Express. I honestly believe that what has gone on is that Mike is fed up of rivals advertising here and that he has realised that by charging £150pm he will be able to (a) Be able to stop direct competition from advertising here unless they pay which will mean he makes £1800 from every competitor and (B) he has realised that he can make the same from other companies that are actually NOT in direct competition with them. However what hasn't been considered is that if the suppliers are out off by this then they wont post, and therefore the membership lose a resource and the forum becomes poorer and could end up losing members as that is part of the attraction of CIU - the diverse membership.
The site sponsor is my local supplier. Do I use them? Not always. Why? Because they don't stock the range of others. They don't sell Xtels, Sl2/SLX, etc etc. If I looked at their range I would think a powerpole was cutting edge (no offence Glyn & omnipole) and here lies the problem (from a window cleaning point of view). Express dont have the range of up to date products that people want to buy, If they stocked xtels for example and they were well priced then maybe that would drum up more business. As for CIU I think it has failed in expectations from the sponsor in that it would promote their business but what is has achieved is it has become the largest cleaning forum there is and as great as that is it isn't quite how the founders vision saw it going.
WCE i couldnt agree more, this is the only forum i ever used as the others seemed to only have new posts every other day but on CIU you can push refresh and a new post would soon be there but im recently finding the other forums are getting busyer and there are people on there that use to be regulars on here i.e jeff1, jouk etc im starting to wonder if things are going to change as i see alex g posting on them too along with window washers and lwc, they can also put links up and advertise there businesses. After speaking to a fellow w/c not going to mention but they are also getting fed up with certain things that go on in the forum and are thinking of setting up there own and the ideas they have are very good.
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what a joke!!!!!!!!!
His site isnt that bad :)
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what a joke!!!!!!!!!
His site isnt that bad :)
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this was said about him getting banned not his site
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I bet this thread is getting there backs up to !! as they ban him now he's got lots of ad space lol.
The web site is looking good ;D
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wce- you can talk, look at how misguided your mag venture was, i gave you several models that might have worked and the fed even offered to let you run the show (more or less). You got stuck on editorial integrity and the right to abuse advertises.
The attempts to convert this forums popularity into an an income stream have been dire.The online directory was a good idea but poorly executed IMO.
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How come LWC who is genuine, helpful, friendly, and gives loads of great advice is banned,.... and Discount is still allowed to post???
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How come LWC who is genuine, helpful, friendly, and gives loads of great advice is banned,.... and Discount is still allowed to post???
:o
;D
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The attempts to convert this forums popularity into an an income stream have been dire.The online directory was a good idea but poorly executed IMO.
Right Ok Discount, Fair play to you I agree with you on the above but,
wce- you can talk, look at how misguided your mag venture was, i gave you several models that might have worked and the fed even offered to let you run the show (more or less). You got stuck on editorial integrity and the right to abuse advertises.
Whats that about? You seem to have a problem with me, everytime I make a comment you feel the need to try and put me down and bring my magazine (in the shops soon btw ;) ) into it. Why? I am beginning to wonder if it's that you are jealous that someone half your age is doing something that you wanted to do. I mean I have listened to your advice and a lit of it has been great yet sometimes you feel the need to bring up the mag and have a go at me. It's times like that I think that I dont get. I don't chase you around and bad mouth you in topics so whats the problem. Jealous? Troll? Whatever it is get over it! Oh and you ignored a forum rule and went off topic by harping on about my magazine ;) ;D ;D ;D
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looks like all the suppliers will be moving, maybe there should be a suppliers forum???
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Maybe there should be a forum , thats just that a forum . Where you get the answers and the products without all this stupid kiddy like ban thingy!!!!!
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Did Jonah/merson/simon123 ever get his forum going? Maybe we should all go there.......................................................................................................NOT ;D ;D ;D
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I think the DIY forum is good ;D
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There are other forums where suppliers are welcome,.. but none as busy as this (Yet!).
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ooh subliminal link Nat ;D er are they allowed ::)
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Hey,.. I don't wanna get banned too!!!!
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I don't follow you around on purpose. I found the mag idea interesting. You shouldn't take things so personally. You or ewan come up with an idea and i comment.That guy with the quad, I would have him on the front page.
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How come LWC who is genuine, helpful, friendly, and gives loads of great advice is banned,.... and Discount is still allowed to post???
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;D ;D ;D classic
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Hi Matt ;) hows it going?
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Still the same....but dont mention it...i got banned last time..
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so let me get this right lwc sells w/c equp, good stuff at great prices, the owners of ciu dont want him to tell everyone so they have banned him? y did they not email/phone him and just say 'no advertising doode'?
oh and you girls are still bitching at discount like a gang of bullys?
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Still the same....but dont mention it...i got banned last time..
well my bookmark must be out of date then, as its just a holding page now
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oh and you girls are still bitching at discount like a gang of bullys?
he loves it really, makes him feel important ;)
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you shouldnt make fun at a mans abiity to make love.
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oh important sorry i'm very dislexlic
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I think the DIY forum is good ;D
<--------------- E.mail me for a link
incase any1 has missed it ;D ;D ;D
How? no link :P
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you shouldnt make fun at a mans abiity to make love.
now there is a rumour and a half ;D ;D ;D
oh important sorry i'm very dislexlic
no worries, im sure discount will not mind ;)
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I think the DIY forum is good ;D
<--------------- E.mail me for a link
incase any1 has missed it ;D ;D ;D
How? no link :P
my e.mail has gone ;D ;D ;D
diyfpwplink@yahoo.co.uk
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Is Discount impotent?
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Is Discount impotent?
now thats the 2nd time i have heard this, it must be true ;D ;D ;D
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I think the DIY forum is good ;D
<--------------- E.mail me for a link
incase any1 has missed it ;D ;D ;D
How? no link :P
my e.mail has gone ;D ;D ;D
diyfpwlink@yahoo.co.uk
yea i know..
thats why i said how :P lol Ive already joined, but never got my account opened fully.
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I think the DIY forum is good ;D
<--------------- E.mail me for a link
incase any1 has missed it ;D ;D ;D
How? no link :P
my e.mail has gone ;D ;D ;D
diyfpwlink@yahoo.co.uk
yea i know..
thats why i said how :P lol Ive already joined, but never got my account opened fully.
what was your username ?? ? ?
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I think the DIY forum is good ;D
<--------------- E.mail me for a link
incase any1 has missed it ;D ;D ;D
How? no link :P
my e.mail has gone ;D ;D ;D
diyfpwlink@yahoo.co.uk
yea i know..
thats why i said how :P lol Ive already joined, but never got my account opened fully.
what was your username ?? ? ?
I dunno, i cant remember..lol
I'll email you for the forum url again :P
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Did you remove the linky yourself Matt,.. or was it done for you?
It's been under your avatar for as long as I can remember,.. seems strange that the rules should change now?
As for Clive, I'm sure I was told ignorant, not impotent,.... but I could have misheard!!
:)
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Did you remove the linky yourself Matt,.. or was it done for you?
It's been under your avatar for as long as I can remember,.. seems strange that the rules should change now?
not me, i didnt change a thing, i guess it was admin, as it now has a wink in its place
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I think the DIY forum is good ;D
<--------------- E.mail me for a link
incase any1 has missed it ;D ;D ;D
How? no link :P
my e.mail has gone ;D ;D ;D
diyfpwlink@yahoo.co.uk
yea i know..
thats why i said how :P lol Ive already joined, but never got my account opened fully.
what was your username ?? ? ?
I dunno, i cant remember..lol
I'll email you for the forum url again :P
if you need a spare e.mail adress, google mail now only takes about 3 mins to set up
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I don't follow you around on purpose. I found the mag idea interesting. You shouldn't take things so personally. You or ewan come up with an idea and i comment.That guy with the quad, I would have him on the front page.
It's certainly a story that could be interesting and would be one of those quirky things that would be good for the mag although we would have to get an interview or something to get a unique take on the item to offer something different than just repeating the forum (after why would you buy something when you can get exactly the same story/take/take on a news item for free). As for the rest, I don't take it personally tbh it's water off a ducks back it you get what I mean it's just this is the 3rd time now I have made a comment in a topic and you have come in and started on about the magazine so thats why I asked as it was starting to sound like sour grapes maybe I got the wrong end of the stick. For the record I am glad that you have an interest in the magazine and look forward to your input on the finished product. Thank you ;) As for ewan I don't know I saw some of what you said and it made sense to me. Maybe he's touchy because he didn't like what he heard whether it's right or wrong. Anyway now we've got that cleared up maybe we can live happily ever after!!!
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Sooooo as matt now has a wink , lol does this mean that when you click on someones user name that they are not alowed to have there website next to where it says WEBSITE ???
Dumb or what
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LMAO!!!
I even clicked the link just in case!!!
:)
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LOL ;D the lenghts people will go to ;D
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when you get banned for life.
that blantly werent lwc
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Is Discount impotent?
Yes, but not important. ;D
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Sshhhh, its me,
Listen,
Everyone buy from me! buy from me!!
www.dontbuyfromexpresscleaningbuyfromme.com
;D
Brilliant. ;D
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Is Discount impotent?
Yes, but not important. ;D
LMAO,..
it'll be a shame when this thread gets deleted,.. I'm really kinda enjoying this!!
:)
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@ matt
now i know why i never got on the forum, when i email you from my info@ email it get returned unable to deliver
and again with gmail.. :-\
This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
diyfpwlink@yahoo.co.uk
email me instead :P
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Is Discount impotent?
Yes, but not important. ;D
do you mean hes a jaffa ;D
cake or biscuit?
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Is Discount impotent?
Yes, but not important. ;D
do you mean hes a jaffa ;D
What seedless ;)
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I think this ban has given him more business , as all those that did'nt know he sells things do now ;D
Well I wasn't aware of it myself. Now I know there's another possible supplier out there I may ask for a price list to be emailed to me. At least LWC doesn't send unsolicited text messages either.
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Sshhhh, its me,
Listen,
Everyone buy from me! buy from me!!
www.dontbuyfromexpresscleaningbuyfromme.com
;D
Oh how funny,
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@ matt
now i know why i never got on the forum, when i email you from my info@ email it get returned unable to deliver
and again with gmail.. :-\
This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
diyfpwlink@yahoo.co.uk
email me instead :P
still waiting matt :P
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Sshhhh, its me,
Listen,
Everyone buy from me! buy from me!!
www.dontbuyfromexpresscleaningbuyfromme.com
;D
Oh how funny,
i thought so
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This could of back fired as ive just recieved a email from a very respectful website (everyone on here will know who they are) asking me to pass message onto matt, ive deleted certain parts as dont want to mention who they are without permission.
Hi,
Just been reading the thread about LWC being banned on Cleanitup. (I got banned for linking to my site when I started too. ???? ?????? has some strange issues I think.
Anyway, tell LWC to let me know when his site is ready and I’ll put a free link on our website.
Kind Regards
?????? ?????
Window Cleaning ?????????
www.????????????????.co.uk
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@ matt
now i know why i never got on the forum, when i email you from my info@ email it get returned unable to deliver
and again with gmail.. :-\
This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
diyfpwlink@yahoo.co.uk
email me instead :P
still waiting matt :P
i went to bed, i was in pain with my hernia and find being laid down helps,
just e.mailed you
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This could of back fired as ive just recieved a email from a very respectful website (everyone on here will know who they are) asking me to pass message onto matt, ive deleted certain parts as dont want to mention who they are without permission.
Hi,
Just been reading the thread about LWC being banned on Cleanitup. (I got banned for linking to my site when I started too. ???? ?????? has some strange issues I think.
Anyway, tell LWC to let me know when his site is ready and I’ll put a free link on our website.
Kind Regards
?????? ?????
Window Cleaning ?????????
www.????????????????.co.uk
so they are still doing it then ::) ::) but they funny enough ban people if you link a forum to the site ( and even dare question what they say )
we had a post about them recently, about what they call us over here ::) they are just a bunch of jokers
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I read that post your talking about, but didnt know if true or not.
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I read that post your talking about, but didnt know if true or not.
oh its true, they did then delete the said posts though
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Was it the one on the other forum but someone on here pointed it out
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Was it the one on the other forum but someone on here pointed it out
yes
the 1 on here has gone aswell, well it was closed
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I read that post your talking about, but didnt know if true or not.
oh its true, they did then delete the said posts though
Matt, you make me laugh. Who are they?? ;D
That post did exist, i read it as well, but it didn't stay up for long.
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Haven't you worked it out yet, mike started CIU to drum up business for express cleaning supplies and that hasn't happened. What has happened is that individuals have come on here and built their business up with some free advertising and now Mike has had enough. I can kind of understand it as if you built a website/forum and it advertised rivals more than yourself then you would be pretty miffed that this was the case. LWC I expect was a particular threat because he was going into supplies ie in direct competition to express. I do think thats why he was banned from posting although I do think it was heavy handed to ban him without warning (if thats the case). I also wonder if this "new" policy was brought about by people like lwc being in the same market as Express. Clearly some people are going to fall foul of this new policy eg window washers. I assume he will have to pay because he advertises a business yet he could hardly be called competition to Express. I honestly believe that what has gone on is that Mike is fed up of rivals advertising here and that he has realised that by charging £150pm he will be able to (a) Be able to stop direct competition from advertising here unless they pay which will mean he makes £1800 from every competitor and (B) he has realised that he can make the same from other companies that are actually NOT in direct competition with them. However what hasn't been considered is that if the suppliers are out off by this then they wont post, and therefore the membership lose a resource and the forum becomes poorer and could end up losing members as that is part of the attraction of CIU - the diverse membership.
The site sponsor is my local supplier. Do I use them? Rarely. Why? Because they don't stock the range of others. They don't sell Xtels, Sl2/SLX, etc etc. If I looked at their range I would think a powerpole was cutting edge (no offence Glyn & omnipole) and here lies the problem (from a window cleaning point of view). You cant get the products you want off em, Express dont have the range of up to date products that people want to buy, If they stocked xtels for example and they were well priced then maybe that would drum up more business. As for CIU I think it has failed in expectations from the sponsor in that it would promote their business but what is has achieved is it has become the largest cleaning forum there is and as great as that is it isn't quite how the founders vision saw it going.
I have a mutual understanding with ciu I will not post what as it is private, others that just spam and I am not talking about lwc get banned and thats good, I have no idea why Matt got banned as I have not be online much and after today I will be off again as have a lot plate at the mo non work related
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Haven't you worked it out yet, mike started CIU to drum up business for express cleaning supplies and that hasn't happened. What has happened is that individuals have come on here and built their business up with some free advertising and now Mike has had enough. I can kind of understand it as if you built a website/forum and it advertised rivals more than yourself then you would be pretty miffed that this was the case. LWC I expect was a particular threat because he was going into supplies ie in direct competition to express. I do think thats why he was banned from posting although I do think it was heavy handed to ban him without warning (if thats the case). I also wonder if this "new" policy was brought about by people like lwc being in the same market as Express. Clearly some people are going to fall foul of this new policy eg window washers. I assume he will have to pay because he advertises a business yet he could hardly be called competition to Express. I honestly believe that what has gone on is that Mike is fed up of rivals advertising here and that he has realised that by charging £150pm he will be able to (a) Be able to stop direct competition from advertising here unless they pay which will mean he makes £1800 from every competitor and (B) he has realised that he can make the same from other companies that are actually NOT in direct competition with them. However what hasn't been considered is that if the suppliers are out off by this then they wont post, and therefore the membership lose a resource and the forum becomes poorer and could end up losing members as that is part of the attraction of CIU - the diverse membership.
The site sponsor is my local supplier. Do I use them? Rarely. Why? Because they don't stock the range of others. They don't sell Xtels, Sl2/SLX, etc etc. If I looked at their range I would think a powerpole was cutting edge (no offence Glyn & omnipole) and here lies the problem (from a window cleaning point of view). You cant get the products you want off em, Express dont have the range of up to date products that people want to buy, If they stocked xtels for example and they were well priced then maybe that would drum up more business. As for CIU I think it has failed in expectations from the sponsor in that it would promote their business but what is has achieved is it has become the largest cleaning forum there is and as great as that is it isn't quite how the founders vision saw it going.
I have a mutual understanding with ciu I will not post what as it is private, others that just spam and I am not talking about lwc get banned and thats good, I have no idea why Matt got banned as I have not be online much and after today I will be off again as have a lot plate at the mo non work related
Hi Ian, Firstly I hope everything is ok and if there is anything that I can help with just email me and I will do my best to help.
Now about the above post -My point was and why I mentioned you was because of the new charge of £150 per month charge to put your link up. I assumed that that this was a blanket thing although really aimed at Expresses direct competition. Therefore the way I see it is you will have to pay £1800 per year to put your link in yet Express have no interest in web design. Now I am guessing but I don't think you'll pay that amount for the year so in particular newbies will potentially miss out on the service you offer. I understand the reason why the Admin want to try and eliminate advertising rivals (as I said last night would you take out a yellows pages advert for another window cleaning company?) but I don't think the charging idea has been totally thought through. Where a business is in no competition with express then really they have got the poor end of the deal and the other thing that has been missed is that these people may be put off coming on and posting - therefore the forum becomes a poorer place as result. As I also said last night I think that when CIU was created they aimed for one thing and what happened was something completely different.
Anyway just thought I would explain and as I said Ian if there is anything I can help you with get in touch ;) Pete
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Sshhhh, its me,
Listen,
Everyone buy from me! buy from me!!
www.dontbuyfromexpresscleaningbuyfromme.com
;D
Brilliant. ;D
what a star
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the thing is, it should be 1 rule for every1
not just 1 rule for people like LWC and 1 for window washers etc etc
shame really
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the thing is, it should be 1 rule for every1
not just 1 rule for people like LWC and 1 for window washers etc etc
shame really
Dont drag me into this ;)
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the thing is, it should be 1 rule for every1
not just 1 rule for people like LWC and 1 for window washers etc etc
shame really
But express cleaning don't sell websites!!!
:)
Lets be fair though, Ian NEVER takes advantage of the forum to advertise his business,.. and he posts plenty of helpful info,.... so everyone should be happy he's here.
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Ian NEVER takes advantage of the forum to advertise his business,..
That's not true. ;D
But as you say nat he is not competition.
Anyway, i have to say that i hardly ever click on the banner to see what express have to sell.
But i do look in the buy and sell section. I think express are missing a trick by not advertising the odd bits and pieces in there. It is another outlet for people to see what they have.
It is a tricky 1 though. I can understand why everyone should be treated the same, but everyone isn't the same. If it was applied to everyone, this forum would be a poorer place because of it.
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So are we going to have a case where we cant link to specific products the you recommend to do a job, unless they are from Express Cleaning Supplies?
I dont care about suppliers being able to use the avatar or sig to promote themselves, but i would want people to recommend to me products at other web sites that may be of interest to me.
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It's really just manufacturers and or suppliers posting blatant direct links.
If other members are discussing someones products or services then thats fine
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What about matts missing diy link. Or was that matt playing silly buggers? :)
Surely he can't be considered to be either?
In fact, i reckon that diy link should be a sticky somewhere on the forum. Cos when i was looking into wfp, i never had much of a clue what was what and reading more just made me more confused.
Until i looked at his site and realised it wasn't rocket science and even i could use 1 without having to pay someone else to put it all together or maintain it.
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the thing is, it should be 1 rule for every1
not just 1 rule for people like LWC and 1 for window washers etc etc
shame really
But express cleaning don't sell websites!!!
:)
Lets be fair though, Ian NEVER takes advantage of the forum to advertise his business,.. and he posts plenty of helpful info,.... so everyone should be happy he's here.
Thank you Nat, I am not fighing my corner at the mo and this is very unlike me, I have plenty of things on my mind right now far more important than bickering with Matt.
I am not going to be much help at the mo tbh but people are welcome to call me should they need advice my mobile number is on my site, I will not be in office for a while.
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Mark
For CIU to maintain its popularity and its no 1 position in the cleaning world, It doesnt really want to advertise other forums.
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yes i understand that dave and that's fair enough.
Was just throwing thoughts around. I forgot it was a forum and not just a web page.
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i understand all you are saying dave...but surely you guys are big enuff now to withstand a wee bit of competition even if its within your own forum, people like Peter etc etc dont seem to be too bothered if other suppliers advertise their services on their forums and as you peter is a supplier.....you guys are not going to go to the wall just coz someone like Matt comes along and does a wee bit of advertising are you? ???
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Would you let your local competition advertise on the side of your van ?
Mike spends a lot of money on this site to maintain its popularity.
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no i wouldnt, but on the same token i wouldnt give another company employees a lift to their jobs either......its pretty much wot u guys are letting others do. ;)...ie come on in but dont tell us wot u do.
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Would you let your local competition advertise on the side of your van ?
Mike spends a lot of money on this site to maintain its popularity.
I'm actually surprised that he has allowed as much advertising as he has. I think the real problem is a perceived lack of consistency though. IMO, Mike would do a big service to himself and the forum generally if he made a more specific list of what is and is not permitted. I believe that it would be received much better than doing temporary bans for some people for doing something that others may not get banned for. I do agree that it's Mike's forum and it's his decision regarding who may use it. However, laying down specifics in black and white regarding what is acceptable from suppliers would be a beneficial step forward IMO.
N.B. I have no agenda as I'm a window cleaner - not a supplier.
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Scimman
I am just a volunteer, I dont make the rules.
Shiner
The rules are, No advertising allowed from suppliers, as individuals we are allowed to talk about products and suppliers can answer no problem. Just no blatant advertising and no weblinks to suppliers or other forums
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the thing is, it should be 1 rule for every1
not just 1 rule for people like LWC and 1 for window washers etc etc
shame really
Dont drag me into this ;)
not dragging you into it, just making a point of 1 rule for every1, you were just a example really
the thing is, it should be 1 rule for every1
not just 1 rule for people like LWC and 1 for window washers etc etc
shame really
But express cleaning don't sell websites!!!
:)
Lets be fair though, Ian NEVER takes advantage of the forum to advertise his business,.. and he posts plenty of helpful info,.... so everyone should be happy he's here.
Thank you Nat, I am not fighing my corner at the mo and this is very unlike me, I have plenty of things on my mind right now far more important than bickering with Matt.
I am not going to be much help at the mo tbh but people are welcome to call me should they need advice my mobile number is on my site, I will not be in office for a while.
im not really bickering ian, just making a point and you are a fairly visible member, thus you were a prime example, the point i was making was how do the members know whats what if we dont have 1 rule across the board, we have allready have some mention his post not getting a replies because people are scared to post links incase they are banned
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What about matts missing diy link. Or was that matt playing silly buggers? :)
Surely he can't be considered to be either?
In fact, i reckon that diy link should be a sticky somewhere on the forum. Cos when i was looking into wfp, i never had much of a clue what was what and reading more just made me more confused.
Until i looked at his site and realised it wasn't rocket science and even i could use 1 without having to pay someone else to put it all together or maintain it.
seriously, the E.MAIL address in my profile was changed, the only person able to do that will be admin, i didnt change it, honestly
it wasnt even the DIY LINK, it was just a e.mail that i could get people to e.mail for the link
it would be nice if the mods / admin could let us know why the e.mail address was taken away
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Matt
I dont have that power , i wish i did, i could have some fun with that, I would have put an Ionics email address in there for you lol ;D
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The rules are, No advertising allowed from suppliers, as individuals we are allowed to talk about products and suppliers can answer no problem. Just no blatant advertising and no weblinks to suppliers or other forums
As an ex-mod, I remember in the begining the rules were that suppliers could advertise, as long as they weren't OTT with their ads, and as long as they posted in a helpful manner.
I think what's changed is, this forum has gained so many experienced members, Mike doesn't really care if suppliers post or not; and if they want to advertise, then they should pay or stay away.
He's treating them like some little 'night-club hussy'; he's had his use out of them, and now he's discarding them like a bit of used toilet roll.
I still like this forum though.
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Matt
I dont have that power , i wish i did, i could have some fun with that, I would have put an Ionics email address in there for you lol ;D
;D ;D ;D
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Well im back.
Im a fair guy and to be honest i really wouldnt of minded a slap on the wrist or a warning. I didnt blantantly advertise as in putting up posts as i have seen before (mention no names). But to be banned...and for a first offence was in my opinion a little hasty and puts me in 2 minds whether to stay on here or not.
Ive been on this forum for 2 years now and have put alot of input into it, pretty much every day i post and try to be as helpful as i can.
At the end of the day im not out to steal anyones custom, im here to help people out which i enjoy doing hence the reason why i have started doing this.
All i can say is i hope all the other suppliers received the same treatment i did, as i think if they didnt it would be unfair.
Like i say im a genuine guy tell me if somethings wrong, dont ban me. How come all the other suppliers have cruised through for so long? A newbie like me that i think put a link to my email address and just mentioning ive started doing has been up for 2 weeks gets this treatment.
Anyway guys thanks for kind comments, ;D but i doubt ill be posting on here as much as i have been doing.
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Welcome back LWC, ill chat to you on the other forum lol
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I have sighned up for the other frum , it looks good
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Mike spends a lot of money on this site to maintain its popularity.
Really?? Forums cost nothing to run,.. and he isn't paying you (He probably should IMO for all you have to put up with!),... where's the money being spent?
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Mike spends a lot of money on this site to maintain its popularity.
Really?? Forums cost nothing to run,.. and he isn't paying you (He probably should IMO for all you have to put up with!),... where's the money being spent?
this is a fairly busy forum though, its not on a dedicated server i doubt ( if it is, its a waste of money ) shared hosting costs, 100 quid a year ( if that )
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i see they let you back then. :P
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its a shame that the forum has come to this, i thought a forum was supposed to be a community of window cleaners working together to improve their skills and share experiences, the other forums i am on certainly have that approach and i thought this one was too, but obviously not, so for that reason i am out 8)
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There's worse forums than this,... cleantalk for example (Carpet cleaning),..
I think Dave takes a lot of flack about this stuff, and he doesn't deserve it. He just mods,.. forum policy isn't his to make or break. Considering the situation I think he handles things rather well!
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oh ok then Nat i will stay.....for that reason i am back in. :-X
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It seems really strange that you can help people build a succesfull business on here,
which could affect some of the others guys on here, , for example , competition will be increased in many areas as a direct result of people on here helping others prosper.
Yet you cant advertise yourself as a supplier on here, which is obviously because of competition.
Unless you have been on here a long while, and you scratch each others back etc.
There have been many threads with new suppliers popping on here from time to time.... or an agent advertising their company, which in my opinion is very helpful and gratefully accepted by a heck of a lot of people on here,
Because as a small business with prices as they are, and with most of us having to pay buy via the internet, plus postage... A New supplier is another option to look at for us all.... very benificial to people just starting out, or simply to have another option...
So Forums are to help each other, to further build their businesses, or to gain help in how to start up....
its all help.... but its all competition too.
So whats the difference in a new supplier popping on here to help out... and creating a little competition?
;)
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Google adwords etc.
The hosting for 15000 members, just think of the traffic , this isnt a forum with 20 members on at any one time
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The hosting for 15000 members, just think of the traffic , this isnt a forum with 20 members on at any one time
12 Guests, 143 Users on right now, its not going to put strain on a ZX spectrum
seriously, i have board that right now has 417 members on right now ( no guests as they have to sign up ) i admit some of them will be search engine spiders ( but that will be under 10 of them )
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Google adwords etc.
The hosting for 15000 members, just think of the traffic , this isnt a forum with 20 members on at any one time
Of course i understand that... why not delete some of the old 100,000 topics from years gone by.
its nothing to do with google ads , its about competition, thats why its frowned upon when other forums are mentioned on here.
im not one for putting strong views on a forum, but when someones says pop on to my site and i will show you what i am selling....!!!
How is that affecting anyone or anything....among colleages.....
business is business..
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Who knows the figures and its value? Only mike boxhall really.
But the value of running a large cleaning forum like this must be quite high.
Does it translate into new contracts and business? I think it must do but i'm only guessing.
Forums are cutting edge for innovation, news and latest products.
And this is why i reckon it's been a good thing to have suppliers posting.
Where else can we learn about every level of our business.
What gear to buy? Where? How to clean this? How to pick work? How much to charge? Signwriting, clothing, websites and software. H&S.
The best info is all here.
As i'm still in the process of growing my business i've been pretty hooked since i joined. I keep coming here cos i still learn about what is better or more suitable to where i am at the moment.
Having suppliers around adds to the value of this forum in my opinion.
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This is exactly my point....its ok to advertise another forum exists which is equally as good as this one, and , indirectly advertising... i might add ...
but its not ok to say , hey guys... im starting to sell window cleaning equipment.. here is my link...
i think LWC deservers an apology.
The hosting for 15000 members, just think of the traffic , this isnt a forum with 20 members on at any one time
12 Guests, 143 Users on right now, its not going to put strain on a ZX spectrum
seriously, i have board that right now has 417 members on right now ( no guests as they have to sign up ) i admit some of them will be search engine spiders ( but that will be under 10 of them )
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The rules are, No advertising allowed from suppliers, as individuals we are allowed to talk about products and suppliers can answer no problem. Just no blatant advertising and no weblinks to suppliers or other forums
How come that people like Glyn Howard are allowed then to put direct links to their products.
Dont get me wrong i believe they should be allowed as it would imo benefit all of us....but to say no blatant advertising from suppliers is a bit hypocritical isn't it?
Like the rest of this country...one rule for one and one rule for the others.
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The rules are, No advertising allowed from suppliers, as individuals we are allowed to talk about products and suppliers can answer no problem. Just no blatant advertising and no weblinks to suppliers or other forums
How come that people like Glyn Howard are allowed then to put direct links to their products.
Dont get me wrong i believe they should be allowed as it would imo benefit all of us....but to say no blatant advertising from suppliers is a bit hypocritical isn't it?
Like the rest of this country...one rule for one and one rule for the others.
the boards owner sells some of onmipole equipment ;)
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Oh ....i thought there would be some reason.
As i say one rule for one and a differant set for others.... :)
I better not put up my link then for the new design of window scraper that can be attached directly to the head of all standard wfp brushes...damn ;)
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There is only one rule for everyone, i have no favourites and no one gets special treatment.
Like i said the only trouble is, blatant advertising and weblinks, If someone asks you about a product thats fine feel free to answer and big it up to your hearts content.
If you think you should be allowed to be exempt from the rules for any reason whatsoever, email Mike.
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I better not put up my link then for the new design of window scraper that can be attached directly to the head of all standard wfp brushes...damn ;)
Have you some private contact details about this please?