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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dudek on December 02, 2008, 04:06:28 pm
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Anyone have one?
Are they worth it?
Who supplies?
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You lazy git! ;D
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There was a post about this a while ago and the reel worked out at about £600 to buy off the shelf but a few had made up DIY versions with no real joy.
Regards
Mr H
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£600 :o :o :o :o :o
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For our hose and fittings parts have to be specially made in order for it to be worth while,all the reels used at present don`t use purified water.
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There was a post about this a while ago and the reel worked out at about £600 to buy off the shelf but a few had made up DIY versions with no real joy.
Regards
Mr H
What happened to that guy, he put up a vid showing how it worked. Thought he said around £300.
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im sure that a cordless drill was involved somewhere along the line .obviously some form of contraption would have to be fashioned to hold the drill in place ,but it would have to be able to be moved out of the way when the hose is being pulled out.
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There is an off the shelf one available, but it cost about £850. There is also another one in development by someone (not ourselves) that will retail for about £500.
These prices sounds expensive, but to produce a reliable working reel it really does add up in parts costs.
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There was a post about this a while ago and the reel worked out at about £600 to buy off the shelf but a few had made up DIY versions with no real joy.
Regards
Mr H
Several people including me use one. I do use a cordless drill and have posted pics etc, but any electric motor will do. It is a massive benefit and worth paying the prices quoted.
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v8edd uses a cordeless drill, makes me chucke whilst im sweating reeling mine back in and hes driving off down the road
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Has anyone got the details for any of the suppliers?
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There was a post about this a while ago and the reel worked out at about £600 to buy off the shelf but a few had made up DIY versions with no real joy.
Regards
Mr H
Several people including me use one. I do use a cordless drill and have posted pics etc, but any electric motor will do. It is a massive benefit
and worth paying the prices quoted.
How can they be worth £500+, some of you must be very unfit or have biceps like a little girl.
Put a bit of elbow grease into it you lazy sods.
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People who don't use one are called hand crankers scud, and do a funny little jig at the end of every job.
I use every advantage I can get and as a result of this probably do two to three more domestic jobs daily than a comparable operator.
This equates to £30-£40 a day, every day, 200 days a year, or 6k-8k extra income.
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Hot hose reels in much much easier than cold.
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I don't believe you do 2 or 3 more jobs a day more just because you use an electric winding hose reel.
I have been wfp for over 4 years now and am pretty quick, an electric hose reel wouldn't make me 2-3 domestics a day quicker, not without it winding in that fast you are breaking things all the time.
It is about vehicle positioning and using your head, not expensive automated gimmicks.
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People who don't use one are called hand crankers scud, and do a funny little jig at the end of every job.
I use every advantage I can get and as a result of this probably do two to three more domestic jobs daily than a comparable operator.
This equates to £30-£40 a day, every day, 200 days a year, or 6k-8k extra income.
Id re-work your figures there Discount if I were you, cos if you make an assumption or two there (such as, how long it takes to do a 4 bedroom house, that reeling in takes about 10% of total time), then you earn £300.00 a day according to your figures.
Keeps your cholesterol levels down anyway.
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I agree Scud.
I take it that.....
You've got george
you don't collect
you've got a van mount hot system
Call divert
In fact Anything that makes the job easier and faster!
You need an electric reel, if you employ your empoyees need one. Five years from now the majority will have one and will laught at the idea of not using one. I've got one now.
Just seen Matts comment, lets not make it into one of those threads, i'm not trying to wind anyone up but it stands to reason that if i let a machine do all the work i will- well there isn't really any other way to say this- earn more money than you do.
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I don't believe you do 2 or 3 more jobs a day
I agree Scud.
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Discount its no good having all those gizmos and trying to makeout you earn this/that or the other if your pricing is shot.
Anyway, my point wasnt about how much you earn (or myself, or if you earn more than me!).
I was disputing however the figures you put forward suggesting about how much MORE you can earn just from having an electric reel.
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Don't get too hung up on how much I earn, this was mentioned only as a benefit of using a machine to do manual work.If you don't want an electric reel don't have one.
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I have looked at the advantages of an electric reel over manual. Whilst I believe that by next year they will be readily available for those who wish to spend the dosh, I really do not think that they will be faster for me than hand reeling.
Practically I would not want to reel the hose in any faster than I do now, due to safety and control issues. Yes it would save me a little arm work-out,but at least it saves me going to the gym as often!
Will I buy one, when they come out? Probably as it is the only way to really test a product out.
Will I like it? Probably as I'm sure they will be well made.
Will I keep it? I may well.
Will I be faster? I doubt it.
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I use an alternative method and take a power driven trollley and reel to the job and then use Algarde light hose on a reel. I wind up faster than any other standard hose reel with a pencil for speed.(instead of the handle)
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The big area where it is a distinct advantage is repeat domestic. If you have this type of work then bingo.You will eat your words Alex.Even Dad will will be knocking out more work.
But honestly Alex you are not typical, you have other businesses, and I believe in the very narrow sphere that we are involved in you have been left behind as a working window cleaner- think card index instead of george, cold instead of hot, hoselock reels, working out of cars not vans......Even some of the things where you are in front like direct debit do not apply to most of us
Of course your pole innovations have been matchless.
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The big area where it is a distinct advantage is repeat domestic. If you have this type of work then bingo.You will eat your words Alex.Even Dad will will be knocking out more work.
But honestly Alex you are not typical, you have other businesses, and I believe in the very narrow sphere that we are involved in you have been left behind as a working window cleaner- think card index instead of george, cold instead of hot, hoselock reels, working out of cars not vans......Even some of the things where you are in front like direct debit do not apply to most of us
Of course your pole innovations have been matchless.
You may be right!
I do not use george at all, but all of my work is on the computer with computer invoicing. A lot of commercial clients are now receiving emailed invoices from me , so I think that I may even be ahead in this area! All of my private clients are on S/O. However you're right about my dad, not only would he like an electric reel, but he does use old fashioned round books still.
On the cars front, you would be surprised how efficient the car can be, also it has cost me peanuts over the last 4 years which has helped on the investing in new products front......However I do have a new T5 on order to show off our new systems and I'm sure that I will enjoy working from it.
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You've got me started now, because i was worried about the plastic stock chewing up I converted one of my reels to metal.
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If you need an electric reel to reel your hose in you must have arms like tooth pic's, i bet i can reel in faster than an electric reel anyday, wot a crock of poo.
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love this one, the reel im having designed will have a variable speed control with a max setting of 150/160 rpm , the whole point of having one is to make the job easier! not particularly faster it certainley wont be slower
i go to the gym to keep in shape, there are nice ladys to look at while doing so!
i do an average 25 houses a day and and an average 50m of hose out on each job
so im hand cranking:
1,250m per day
6,,250m per week
25,000m per month
id rather get power reel to do that work!
same reason im wfp rather than ladders, van mount rather than backpack, slx rather than power pole, george rather than book, freepost envelopes & paypal rather than collecting
i want my working day to be as easy as possible, ill wear my body out doing stuff i enjoy.........
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love this one, the reel im having designed will have a variable speed control with a max setting of 150/160 rpm , the whole point of having one is to make the job easier! not particularly faster it certainley wont be slower
i go to the gym to keep in shape, there are nice ladys to look at while doing so!
i do an average 25 houses a day and and an average 50m of hose out on each job
so im hand cranking:
1,250m per day
6,,250m per week
25,000m per month
id rather get power reel to do that work!
same reason im wfp rather than ladders, van mount rather than backpack, slx rather than power pole, george rather than book, freepost envelopes & paypal rather than collecting
i want my working day to be as easy as possible, ill wear my body out doing stuff i enjoy.........
Good Point.
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If you want to work every hour of every day, and you want to earn more, then the only way apart from employing is to work faster.
Any tool that enables you to do this will earn you more money, but the whole point of this product and others that have changed the industry over the last 30 years (Squeegie-Wfp-Carbon Poles-Round Software and Home Banking) is to make you working time more easier.
It is better to work more smarter than harder, an electric hose reel will be of benefit to quite a few cleaners, the same, that on some jobs, a backpack is better than a trolley or van mount system.
The majority of cleaners who do get electric reels in the future will not nessasary earn more but they will make their working time more pleasurable.
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i want my working day to be as easy as possible, ill wear my body out doing stuff i enjoy.........
The majority of cleaners who do get electric reels in the future will not nessasary earn more but they will make their working time more pleasurable.
Two good quotes above.
I loathe the last hour of the day when I'm reeling in the 100 yrds for maybe the fifth time that day and knowing I will have to do it again before I go home, it does take it out of you, especially when you're no longer a spring chicken.
I have tried reeling in slowly so as not to be knackered at the finish, but this is even harder than doing it fast,
In the real world, (for me that is), reeling a 100 mtr hose in 5 times a day is something my body could do without, and yes I would probably do the extra job or two because of it, not because I would be faster, but because I would be fresher. Its not about speed it's about stamina.
Personally I would have one, and will, as soon as they have been tried and tested, cos there's nothing worse than a bit of dodgy gear adding to your workload.
Footnote.. Speed isn't everything, you can be too fast for the customer.
Steve a
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Footnote.. Speed isn't everything, you can be too fast for the customer.
Steve a
It may not be everything, but I would say it was quite a lot especially along with efficiency. I would rather work 16 hours a week for the same money as people earn in 30 - 40 hours, and if the weather is particularly bad sometimes you don't fall behind. I used to hear this all the time from local guys being weeks behind in the winter because of the weather, I was never behind.
I have never once lost a customer due to cleaning the windows to fast.
Peter
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hi guys i posted on here a while back about this topic. i have designed an elctric reel that has worked now for bout 5 months with no prolems. its great you just stand at the back of your van and watch the hose reel in while you feed it thru a towel to keep it clean. its so easy. my design is quite simple but would prob take a bit of design work to make it a patented product. unfortunately i dont have the money to invest in this product but maybe sometime i will. when i finish a clean i know i dont have to stand reelin in my hose manually i have a machine to do it plus its clean. anything to make life easier
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How much would it cost to design and patent properly.
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How much would it cost to design and patent properly.
not sure nwh havin looked into it properly but im sure it would cost a fair bit.
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I think that using microbore and a nice easy to roll reel is half the battle. I did convert a reel and used an electric drill to wind it in but the battery lasted about a day and more often than not I'd forget to charge it that night. Maybe a 12v motor wired to the battery of the van would do the trick. I wonder if it would be possible to regulate the speed using something like the varistream.
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Take a look at these...
http://www.rittenhouse.ca/asp/Product.asp?PG=1957
http://www.reelcraft.com/products/motor.htm
http://www.allman-sprayers.co.uk/html/hose_reels.html
The first thing you should do before contemplating throwing money on an idea is do a search.
I am not saying there is no market for another design, something reasonably priced, and maybe a bit simpler, but you have to think what is available before spending money on designs and Patents.
Peter
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I think that using microbore and a nice easy to roll reel is half the battle. I did convert a reel and used an electric drill to wind it in but the battery lasted about a day and more often than not I'd forget to charge it that night. Maybe a 12v motor wired to the battery of the van would do the trick. I wonder if it would be possible to regulate the speed using something like the varistream.
Was the reason you stopped using it because you forgot to charge the battery, or was it because you could not regulate the speed properly, or something completely different???
Peter
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For me to be convinced it would need to be:
1: powered of the wfp battery
2: include a self layering mechanism to keep the hose tidy
3: be remote controlled
4: look like a pro bit of kit,... I'd be embarrassed for a customer to see a battery drill rigged up to my reel, no matter how well it worked!
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For me to be convinced it would need to be:
1: powered of the wfp battery
2: include a self layering mechanism to keep the hose tidy
3: be remote controlled
4: look like a pro bit of kit,... I'd be embarrassed for a customer to see a battery drill rigged up to my reel, no matter how well it worked!
Powered from the battery would be good.
While you are busy guiding your hose in your hands may not be free to switch off when needed. I think a button, trigger, or lever, would be better for that.
You could do away with the self layering mechanism, you would still have to use your hands because of knots and tangles.
I wouldn't bother if it looked like an electric drill was driving it.
Peter
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Peter I just kept forgetting to charge the battery, the reels I use are very easy to wind anyway so I just stopped. That said I was using a 14v drill from aldi and the battery wasn't the biggest but regulating the speed was no problem.
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Peter I just kept forgetting to charge the battery, the reels I use are very easy to wind anyway so I just stopped. That said I was using a 14v drill from aldi and the battery wasn't the biggest but regulating the speed was no problem.
Thanks for that.
If it was saving you much time, or effort, then you would have made sure the battery was fully charged each day.
Peter
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my design does include a hose guide but it is manual, the engineering for a auot one makes the unit cost prohibitive, but maybe later if production goes to china.
the unit will run from the wfp battery so charging should present no problem when a split charge relay is in place
as for patenting its a mine field and i have had experience of this on average just for the uk it costs around £2k and that still doesnt protect you completely unless you register the design as well.
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Re: Electric hose reel
« Reply #33 on: Yesterday at 09:41:20pm »
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How much would it cost to design and patent properly.
i have spent over 2.5k so far i have tested various motors and components bottom line it costs a fortune to do things properley and by the time its ready for market i expect to have spent 5k
Re: Electric hose reel
« Reply #35 on: Yesterday at 11:08:54pm »
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I think that using microbore and a nice easy to roll reel is half the battle. I did convert a reel and used an electric drill to wind it in but the battery lasted about a day and more often than not I'd forget to charge it that night. Maybe a 12v motor wired to the battery of the van would do the trick. I wonder if it would be possible to regulate the speed using something like the varistream.
i have had an electronics company design a variable speed controller, it will take the motor from 0-150/160rpm depnding on the hose load
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Jeff, you could register with the Patent office for free, and you have 12 months before making the next move. This gives you time to show what you have to hose-reel manufacturers, or anyone else who might be interested.
If after the 12 months no one is interested and you let it drop you have not lost anything. If you want to take it further you pay just over £100 for a search (don't quote me on the prices) It only cost big money if you use an agent.
Peter
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Having seen the massive resistance to this change the only way you will sell it is at a show where people can see it working. The number of ignorant comments made here is quite unbelievable.
Everyone who see's mine in action wants one.Most people on here would be extremely surprised if they saw it working.
As for customers 'embarrased at electric drill', several of my customers have taken an interest including doctors surgeons and f1 engineers. None of them laughed or sneered, I have to come on here to get that.
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Plasterers now use a drill to knock up there plaster and no one laughs at them they think that that`s the tool to do it and are non the wiser,i am in favor of anything that makes my life easier.
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Having seen the massive resistance to this change the only way you will sell it is at a show where people can see it working. The number of ignorant comments made here is quite unbelievable.
Everyone who see's mine in action wants one.Most people on here would be extremely surprised if they saw it working.
As for customers 'embarrased at electric drill', several of my customers have taken an interest including doctors surgeons and f1 engineers. None of them laughed or sneered, I have to come on here to get that.
i agree totally dwc. i only wished i had the money or know how to advance my idea cause i am confident its a winner.
here is a link to a video of my reel, 100metres of hose reeled in in a minute
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tCkQdH3f-UA
i tried to count the number of times the reel turned an its approx 120 times. so if anyone can turn thier reel approx 120 times in a minute they must have arms like arnie :-*
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Thats about the same speed as i reel in by hand.... well i may be a touch slower lol ;D
must admit never really thought they would be of any use..
but having seen the video, its got me thinking
how come its covered up tho.?
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It looks like a chisel grinder to me.
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Can anyone explain how a drill makes a reel .... reel in ... please.
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All you need is a cordless drill and a part from screwfix that goes from reel to drill job done.
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yes, but what about ,on one end is the handle and on the other is the hose connector etc... just trying to imagine where the bit,. would go.
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how come its covered up tho.?
thats my design gazzasp8 dont really want to give away my secrets yet!!!
its def not a chisel grinder or cordless but discount will verify that the cordless mode does work ok
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You need to remove the handle on the hosereel and spin the bolt back on,the drill bit that you`ll need from screwfix goes on this.Discount will post a pic of the bit,i got 2 when i went i think they cost about a fiver each.
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Good video, does it still pull it in if it is pulling some of it round a corner etc?
The white rag is good as well, you could have sold at least one to Nathanael so his customers didn't see what was driving the hose reel :)
Peter
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Good video, does it still pull it in if it is pulling some of it round a corner etc?
The white rag is good as well, you could have sold at least one to Nathanael so his customers didn't see what was driving the hose reel :)
Peter
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yeh it stiil pulls in from round a corner quite easily peter.
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I'm not sure a fully auto one will ever be possible- because of tangles and so on, and if it was it might lack speed.
Like Paul mine is fed in through a towel that both cleans and takes the hit if a snagged bit comes in. A few have posted that they have tried this (the drill method) but found the snatch too violent and worried about breaking their wrists. Well i don't actually hold the drill because it is supported, I do grip it of course to pull the trigger.I do have a clutch but have also used it without one.
If you take the winding handle off a 22m deep socket driven by a screwfix socket driver will turn the reel. You need a two speed drill set on the lower speed, this is important because if the torque is wrong smoke will come out of the motor but it won't turn. If you do decide to experiment be carefull to start with as you could break your wrist.
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OK, I have been playing around with an electric hose reel.
I have met nearly all Nathaniel's criteria. Powered on the water fed pole or van battery. Self layering mechanism- your hand as you let the hose run through a cloth to clean. Better than remote controlled, just move a handle towards the reel with your right hand as you layer with your left. No holding drills at awkward angles, and no kickback from the drill at it starts to turn.
I have it mounted on it's own frame which attaches to the bolt down hose reels I fit to vans. It has a lever mechanism attached to the speed control. Works very well and I will probably fit them as standard in any new systems I do.
Before anyone asks the mechanism won't do for any drill, and it wouldn't fit on any hose reel.
I would welcome any feedback
Peter
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What exactly is the part from screwfix and do you have to buy from screwfix direct?
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This electric reel is available and costs about £525 +VAT
(http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Power%20Reel.jpg)
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This electric reel is available and costs about £525 +VAT
(http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Power%20Reel.jpg)
How much micrbore does it take.
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About 130m
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I`ll have 2 lol. ;D
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All we need now is an automatic electric window cleaner to do the work;D
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With hot hose reeling in is not such an issue as it`s a lot easier but the idea is to make everything as easy as it can be isn`t it. ???
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To be honest i don`t want anything else wired up to the van i don`t find reeling in so much of a problem anyway.
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Hmmm I used to think that about trolleys but when you actually use a pwered one going back to pushing it seems hard work. When the price drops we may all want elecy reels and elecy cleaners :) www.electricwindowcleaner.com
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this one looks good, no batteries or machinery
http://www.no-crank.com/
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Have had my hands on one of them Joe.
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Have had my hands on one of them Joe.
it looks really good, plus it winds in evenly, not bad, just wonder if a 100psi water pump would work it though, here one on youtube
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gphoxIML4N0
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-bjQohytuE0&feature=related
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At last.
Having cracked it yourself Peter just as i did a year ago and now having played about with it you are beginning to see the light. Hallelula.
Yes, you were quite negative and ignorant to the benefits that an electric reel might have but have fully redeemed yourself by saying that you now see the benefits as so fundamental as to fit one as standard to every new system you install.
This will be the industry norm and standard and you are the first supplier to respond to this.This isn't a subject for debate it's just a fact.Those who prefer to continue to slog their guts out without one will get left behind. Those who employ will find more work gets done and the lads will be happier.
Good for you.
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Have had my hands on one of them Joe.
Did you find that a WFP pump was powerful enough to reel it back in. I almost ordered one a couple of years ago, but thought that it wouldn't work.
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At last.
Having cracked it yourself Peter just as i did a year ago and now having played about with it you are beginning to see the light. Hallelula.
Yes, you were quite negative and ignorant to the benefits that an electric reel might have but have fully redeemed yourself by saying that you now see the benefits as so fundamental as to fit one as standard to every new system you install.
This will be the industry norm and standard and you are the first supplier to respond to this.This isn't a subject for debate it's just a fact.Those who prefer to continue to slog their guts out without one will get left behind. Those who employ will find more work gets done and the lads will be happier.
Good for you.
I wonder why he`s the first 1 to look into it,it wouldn`t be £ signs would it lol.I know for a fact he`s not the first 1 to look into it and to make it look top notch it will cost £`sss,i wouldn`t buy 1 if it looked like a drill or anything DIY.
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I remember your saying hot was pants too. You don't think that now do you?
Sometimes it turns out what we were so certain of we are wrong about.
Keep an open mind.
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NWH, £ signs have quite a lot to do with it, I must admit I do like getting paid for working, it keeps me going. I also like things that save time and water, as these are the most important things in our industry. The more time saved, the more work done, the more money earned. And the more water saved, the more work done, the more money earned.
I have been off work in my bed all this week so have not had the chance to do the couple of modifications needed to make it more efficient, but I will hopefully do it at the beginning of next week.
Because of the new rules on the forum I can't post a link to the video I will be doing, but I will have a link from my forum as soon as I have done it.
I must admit though it is probably the easiest thing I have worked on to date, with everything just falling into place. It will be a very easy DIY project for anyone.
Peter
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I remember your saying hot was pants too. You don't think that now do you?
Sometimes it turns out what we were so certain of we are wrong about.
Keep an open mind.
Hot pants? my minds just woken up!
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I remember your saying hot was pants too. You don't think that now do you?
Sometimes it turns out what we were so certain of we are wrong about.
Keep an open mind.
I`ve already tried this electric drill thingy months ago when you first posted about it i went and got all the bits from screwfix and it nearly broke my wrist,yes i now have hot water but it`s a fact it`s better and there`s no argument there. but as for an electric reel yes it might have some benefit but not enough for me.On a lot of my work the hose hardly ever gets snagged and the reason is i know the layout with my eye`s closed now,if your hose does manage to get caught up on something an electric reel is of no use to cure that problem.My advise to anyone would be to get hot water reeling in becomes a peice of pee,your hose goes like jelly and goes exactly where you want it to go.
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I remember your saying hot was pants too. You don't think that now do you?
Sometimes it turns out what we were so certain of we are wrong about.
Keep an open mind.
Funny that Discount having posted a pic and you not replying tells me you have green eye`s. ;D
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I`ve already tried this electric drill thingy months ago when you first posted about it i went and got all the bits from screwfix and it nearly broke my wrist,yes i now have hot water but it`s a fact it`s better and there`s no argument there. but as for an electric reel yes it might have some benefit but not enough for me.On a lot of my work the hose hardly ever gets snagged and the reason is i know the layout with my eye`s closed now,if your hose does manage to get caught up on something an electric reel is of no use to cure that problem.My advise to anyone would be to get hot water reeling in becomes a peice of pee,your hose goes like jelly and goes exactly where you want it to go.
Firstly I would agree about not holding the drill in your hand, some of the more powerful drills can take quite a bite when they catch. Mines has a little lever that is not attached to the drill, this stops, starts, and regulates the speed.
An electric hose reel isn't there to stop, or help if your hose gets snagged, it would be more beneficial to you now if you don't get snagged.
I think the hot water is more for another topic and doesn't really have anything to do with the hose being electric or not. it still has to be reeled in.
Peter
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My point is that if you use hot water you won`t need to waste money on something that is no more than a drill,whatever you use basically that`s what it`ll be.
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My point is, you still have to reel in 100m of hose whether the water is hot or cold.
Peter
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Reeling in hose is easy,.. the only advantage i can see is if it's remote controlled and self layering, so it can be reeling in ahead of you while you walk back to the van. Even that would only save maybe 10 minutes a day,.. but it would have great novelty value!
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as it happens i do have that in mind as an add on for power reel it will also control the speed so you can run to the van if you want ;D might save 20 mins a day then!!
do the math
20mins a day x 5 days = saving of 1hour 40mins mins a week
20 days a mth = saving of 6 hours 40 mins
12 months = saving of 80 hours
now time is money if your not reeling in a hose your working so turn that into money lets be sensible and say £20per hour
£30 a week
£120per mth
£1440
now even if you only saved ten mins a day it would still equate to you having the time to earn at least £700 and those guys that do earn more than £20 an hour should start to see the benefit of a power reel.
im hoping to retail power reel around the £500 mark, it will be made from stainless steel including the hose swivel so nothing will rust to contaminate your water.
it will have an optional hose guide and remote control and is being engineered for our industry.
bottom line by using one if you do only save ten mins a day it will still pay for itself in its first year after that its contributing to your profit
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as it happens i do have that in mind as an add on for power reel it will also control the speed so you can run to the van if you want ;D might save 20 mins a day then!!
do the math
20mins a day x 5 days = saving of 1hour 40mins mins a week
20 days a mth = saving of 6 hours 40 mins
12 months = saving of 80 hours
now time is money if your not reeling in a hose your working so turn that into money lets be sensible and say £20per hour
£30 a week
£120per mth
£1440
now even if you only saved ten mins a day it would still equate to you having the time to earn at least £700 and those guys that do earn more than £20 an hour should start to see the benefit of a power reel.
im hoping to retail power reel around the £500 mark, it will be made from stainless steel including the hose swivel so nothing will rust to contaminate your water.
it will have an optional hose guide and remote control and is being engineered for our industry.
bottom line by using one if you do only save ten mins a day it will still pay for itself in its first year after that its contributing to your profit
What a load of poo.
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What a load of poo.
You should make that your signature line NWH!!
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potential is there is all im saying, if you have staff that use your time to do things other than work thats your look out
NWH.........
if you work quicker for whatever reason you will make more money, i know im faster than anyone ive seen wfp because im working within 30 secs of pulling up at a job and and im on to the next one within 2 mins because i dont have to take anything out of the van or put it away
if your hose is reeling in as you walk back to the van its quicker if you are quicker you can make more money.......doughnut
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v8edd uses a cordeless drill, makes me chucke whilst im sweating reeling mine back in and hes driving off down the road
yoiu work together then ?
daz
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potential is there is all im saying, if you have staff that use your time to do things other than work thats your look out
NWH.........
if you work quicker for whatever reason you will make more money, i know im faster than anyone ive seen wfp because im working within 30 secs of pulling up at a job and and im on to the next one within 2 mins because i dont have to take anything out of the van or put it away
if your hose is reeling in as you walk back to the van its quicker if you are quicker you can make more money.......doughnut
Jeff you mean donut,was that you i saw putting the rings in the middle of em lol. ;D
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no too busy eating round em
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Try munching on the ring it aint all that bad lol. :-*
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Let's face it those that want an electric reel will buy one and really enjoy the benefits. Those that do not want one will convince themselves that it is not worth the cost.
Who will be right? Both of course :)
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Best to email me on alex@agardiner.co.uk and I will reply off forum.
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I remember your saying hot was pants too. You don't think that now do you?
Sometimes it turns out what we were so certain of we are wrong about.
Keep an open mind.
Funny that Discount having posted a pic and you not replying tells me you have green eye`s. ;D
I was very impressed with the back of your van, your cage, and your new hot system.This hot, compact, and well presented system at a bargain £2,700 was not available to me when i was in the market.It now seems a very sensible choice to make.
I recall you likening my van innards to a junk yard or something similar, well not much has changed, aesthetics are important and yours does look good.
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I remember your saying hot was pants too. You don't think that now do you?
Sometimes it turns out what we were so certain of we are wrong about.
Keep an open mind.
Funny that Discount having posted a pic and you not replying tells me you have green eye`s. ;D
I was very impressed with the back of your van, your cage, and your new hot system.This hot, compact, and well presented system at a bargain £2,700 was not available to me when i was in the market.It now seems a very sensible choice to make.
I recall you likening my van innards to a junk yard or something similar, well not much has changed, aesthetics are important and yours does look good.
Love ya really lol. :-*
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Just seen them on the website Alex,i`ll ring you and let you convince me lol. ;D ;D ;D
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The earlier pic of a reel, are they being sold by Gardiners then?
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Yep on his website under new items.
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It's worth the money if it works, Jeff temperleys arithmetic was right.(assuming your work is repeat domestic)
Why shouldn't it work?
Well it might not be fast enought, it needs to reel in like lightning not just at a steady plod, and as i see it you would still need one hand on the control and one guiding the hose in.
As an existing user i do have to use hose disipline and walk back to the van with the hose. To reel in the hose has to be tidy and not snag on anything.This means you have to take a bit of care.
If it works this is money better spent than on a pole.
To repeat my earlier arguments we use a machine to clean windows and the more work the machine does the better, so pure water is good, hot is even better, and an electric reel is every bit as important.
To look at the money side lets say I have gone the cheap route, but have I? makita drill at £80, £100 reel, hours of thought and experimentation. An end result that some still see as ameteurish?
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Reeling the hose in is the most exercise i get from wc now and it isn't hard work as long as you use your wrist instead of your arm. So i'm in the camp of not thinking it necessary at the moment.
But i am in business to make money and could easily be convinced to get one eventually. Though it would have to be compact, proven and in the low hundreds of pounds.
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The point I keep trying to make mark is that you are wrong and yout opinion doesn't matter a jot.
When eventually you do get one- and i do agree it has to work etc- it will be the best £600 you ever spend. However it sounds like it might be a couple of years yet before you come on here and thank me.
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The point I keep trying to make mark is that you are wrong and yout opinion doesn't matter a jot.
When eventually you do get one- and i do agree it has to work etc- it will be the best £600 you ever spend. However it sounds like it might be a couple of years yet before you come on here and thank me.
When it happens i will. I promise. ;D
I'd be happy to be wrong. And i'm sure i will be.
I'm sure i will get 1. Remember the website posts? ;D
But where is kit concerned, i have learnt since being a member of wc forums that being a pioneer is not me. I prefer to wait and feel grateful towards people (like yourself) who tweak and refine things before a supplier takes it up and produces an off the shelf version.
Even then, things progress so quickly with wfp kit and 1st attempts always need improving. SL1 and sl2 poles are good examples that spring to mind.
So, i will sit out on an electric reel for now. But i want 1. Just haven't seen one which convinces me to get 1 yet.
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it really does need a auto guide to lay the hose on the reel, doesnt it
that would i guess save a little time
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I think a system that reeled in "like lightning" could have some health and safety issues, having been on the end of a spitting cobra type attack from my snap fit connector the other day. Your hose presentation would need to be perfect before pressing the button. Mine often arrives at the back of my van like spagetti with the pole hose wrapped up in the microbore too. I think for me the time saved reeling in would be offset by the time lost laying my hose out for the perfect windup. Good idea, but for me poles are far more important. I can see it working well on commercial jobs though, where a reel might be out to the max with just a car park to cover.
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The time spent reeling in with the electric reel isnt time saved. Its time spent reeling the hose in. It doesnt necessarily equate to time saved.
As others have said, its the most exercise I get now I do WFP, so now if I get an electric reel I'll have to go out 5 times a week for 30 minutes on each occasion jogging to get some aerobic exercise so my cholesterol doesnt go sky high and I die from heart disease.
I stick to my bit of exercise guys, time saved isnt always a good thing.
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Time is money, and I can't believe some of the excuses being branded about for not going electric.
Maybe we should all get our ladders back out, ditch our squeegee's, and go back to our chamois and scrim. May as well ditch the van as well and get the old handcart out, these vans must be really unhealthy. We may be a bit healthier after the above, but we would have to be, to be able to work enough hours to earn a living.
Peter
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peter
i was starting to worry that window cleaners are as daft as people think?? most of the guys opposing it are wfp as well.
i remember on severall occasions trad guys scoffing at me with wfp then after ive done 3 houses while 2 of them are still working on their first in the same street........ they go wfp.
when my power reel is ready i think they will all go electric all be it on the quiet!
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it has been said before that the people who will benefit most are repeat domestic guys who are doing 20 plus jobs a day.
for those that do large commercial it would be a luxury rather than a machine which improves daily output
i like having the best kit i can afford but only spend money on gear that makes my work either easier ,quicker or both.
an electric reel can do both. fact.
if you ask the guys who already use them they have the benefit of experience and i havent heard one of them say it wasnt easier and faster or that they are going back to hand cranking.
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I think Alex's post was spot on to be honest. ;)
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This electric reel is available and costs about £525 +VAT
(http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Power%20Reel.jpg)
What happens if you have an electrical fault?
Can you hand crank the hose in or will you be cranking a dead motor around too?
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This electric reel is available and costs about £525 +VAT
(http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Power%20Reel.jpg)
What happens if you have an electrical fault?
Can you hand crank the hose in or will you be cranking a dead motor around too?
Good point!
This thread is getting silly though, a lot like the older posts about ladders vs WFP!
(Or even like those that laughed at those who started using squeegees!)
Come back to convince the crew about the benefits of Elec H/Reel when it's being manufactured, and available at a reasonable price! Then everyone will buy one, and will probably laugh at those who don't!
(IMHO!) :-*
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it can be designed to have a hand crank as back up
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i think alex sums it up the best , those who chose to buy will find it great , and will justify the expense :).
however , those who stick to hand reeling , will also find it great ( that they have not spent £100,s) ;)
in the end it is what you are willing to spend.... to clean windows . ;)
daz