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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: www.mrgutters.co.uk on November 25, 2008, 08:03:47 pm

Title: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: www.mrgutters.co.uk on November 25, 2008, 08:03:47 pm
saw a job on gumtree "gutter cleaner wanted"

Gutter cleaner required to work for small family business.

Candidate must have thier own Transport and Ladders. (Ladders must be 3 parter, minimum 30 foot)

You must have experiece working in a similar role at height on a ladder.

Candidate must be honest, reliable and be problem solving orientated. You must be prepared to work outside in all weather conditions.

Job will include visiting residential properties, cleaning out the gutters and carrying out any minor repairs that may be required.

Candidates must do between 8 and 10 jobs per day in north and south London.

This role is physically demanding.

This is a self employed position.

Only qualified candidates should apply

Monday to Saturday (Sunday optional) 8am- 4pm

Pay £120 per day

This is a permanant postion

An immediate start is required.
check this out.
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: drive surgeon on November 25, 2008, 08:09:02 pm
 ;D ;D a ladder :-X

120 a day :'( :'(


would rather be dead :'(
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: Chris Galloway on November 25, 2008, 08:12:15 pm
6 days a week  :o

nah thanks :P
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: RO-Sheen on November 25, 2008, 08:13:53 pm
for someone that is unemployed and cant get another job, £120 x 6 = £720 a week! That could get someone that is up the creek without a paddle a lifeline!
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: trike on November 25, 2008, 08:15:51 pm
for someone that is unemployed and cant get another job, £120 x 6 = £720 a week! That could get someone that is up the creek without a paddle a lifeline!
thats what i was going to say,if it was by me i wouild do it like a shot,good weeks wages there,there paying you 720 weres the rip off in that
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: wightsurf on November 25, 2008, 08:19:14 pm
I have to agree, not all people can just go and start a bussines. Thats alot of work but at the end of the day it's alot of money to keep them going.
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: www.mrgutters.co.uk on November 25, 2008, 08:27:53 pm
well at london living costs 120 a day aint brilliant ...
plus 8-10 jobs a day ...you would be working like a nutter to get thewm done ...plus own car and own ladders ..think of petrol and continuus traffic in central london.

personaly think they having a laugh plus you would need to be well fit carrying 30ft ladders round and going up and down them.

plus safety working on 30ft ladders all day trying to rush to get 10 jobs done each day

they can keep it... ;D
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: ftp on November 25, 2008, 08:29:20 pm
10 jobs a day! That's some serious money coming in for the companies owner!
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: www.mrgutters.co.uk on November 25, 2008, 08:36:14 pm
sound proffesional too with only a mobile number and aa hotmail email adress.

lol
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: DaveG on November 25, 2008, 08:40:32 pm
Surely it would be a 2 man job if it was off ladders?? ;D
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: LWC on November 25, 2008, 08:49:51 pm
I think being a window cleaner makes us look down on other jobs

When i was on holiday in urkey there was a guy there talking to his in laws about a friend of his who earned £125 a day and they wereall like  :o

Guys at any rate £120 a day is blooming good money and thats alot of money for a week, perminent position £2880 a month...yeh its gonna be hard work for who ever but jeeees thats good money!

Being employed and earning that money you gotta work hard. Personally i think thats good! Yes we all earn more on our own, and pul in "£500" but thats not every day, we have good days and bad days, which probably in the end levels out to around that rate.

Come on guys...dont be so snobbish!
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: Glyn H on November 25, 2008, 09:27:32 pm
£37,000 a year is great money for an unskilled worker even in London.
The average wage in Britain is £14,250 per year.
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: drive surgeon on November 25, 2008, 09:42:34 pm
rather get the same money but use omni vac or similar from the ground?  ladders are scary! :-X
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: dd on November 25, 2008, 09:45:46 pm
Working that kind of heght of unsecured ladders every day, especially with some hard to reach gutters, is asking for an accident.

Horrible job when it is raining.
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: peter holley on November 25, 2008, 09:46:13 pm
£37,000 a year is great money for an unskilled worker even in London.
The average wage in Britain is £14,250 per year.



its not realy 37,000 a year, remember he is self employed, and has to provide own transport etc
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: bluez on November 25, 2008, 10:41:25 pm
You could do it for a month and spend the money on a gutter vac.
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: lovewindows on November 25, 2008, 10:56:06 pm
£720 a week a rip off ?????
North v South divide , still there ehh
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: pjulk on November 25, 2008, 11:08:37 pm
I can't see anyone do a good job doing 8 to 10 gutters a day off of ladders.

Thats way to much work for one person in a day for that type of work off of ladders.
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: simonwonder on November 25, 2008, 11:17:46 pm
one hell of a way to get and stay fit and a nice way to get away from the wife and kids all day
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: Paul Coleman on November 25, 2008, 11:18:35 pm
for someone that is unemployed and cant get another job, £120 x 6 = £720 a week! That could get someone that is up the creek without a paddle a lifeline!

Absolutely.  In my current position I wouldn't touch it but if I was out of work I'd snap their hand off for it.
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: www.mrgutters.co.uk on November 25, 2008, 11:31:18 pm
yeah i can see what alot are saying if you are unemployed etc....but its 720 for a 6 day week and also use your own car plus most gutter jobs take what 1 -2 hours to do a proper clean .,.. plus you have travel time...

and car running costs ...

still wouldnt do it... rather put the hours in at tesco...lol

shawn
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: simonwonder on November 25, 2008, 11:50:47 pm
if you like work and can run a cheap car and aren't frightened of hard work beats getting phone calls from everyone cancelling the window cleaner this time and if you work 50 weeks more like £45,000 p.a
 would improve my home life and my bank balance  could nearly build your own round on the back of it
3-4 years my debts and mortgage would be gone 
then over 3 grand a month to enjoy every month without having to look for  the work
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: pjulk on November 26, 2008, 12:06:05 am
shawn said -
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This is a self employed position

I thought the inland revenue stopped this a few years ago taking people on, on a self employed basis.
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: SherwoodCleaningSe on November 26, 2008, 07:59:07 am
Loads of people are saying what a rip off, but I doubt there's many people on here who earn that kind of money each week.  Okay it's 6 days a week but a lot of jobs out there are 6 days a week.

My issue would be with the contractual basis, ie self employed so they can rid of you at the drop of a hat and also the ladders, I think using ladders at 30ft + is a no no as regards health and safety.  However some mug will probably do it.

Simon.
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: William Tyndale on November 26, 2008, 08:04:04 am
shawn said -
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This is a self employed position

I thought the inland revenue stopped this a few years ago taking people on, on a self employed basis.

True, if you take more than 33% from any single company then they must have you on the books employed with conditions like holiday pay etc.
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: simonwonder on November 26, 2008, 10:11:56 am
just spoke to them
jobs between £60 - £150 some 2 storey and 3 storey houses
you would get 15% of job value
from £9 on £60 job
£22.50 on £150 job
s/e
just called for info
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: Mr H on November 26, 2008, 10:19:41 am
just spoke to them
jobs between £60 - £150 some 2 storey and 3 storey houses
you would get 15% of job value
from £9 on £60 job
£22.50 on £150 job
s/e
just called for info


More like THEY should get the 15%...........
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: Central Window Cleaners on November 26, 2008, 10:40:35 am
if it was near to me I would be interested, looks like a cash in hand type deal.

I would think there will be plenty of guys willing to do it in the current climate.
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: telboy on November 26, 2008, 11:29:42 am
If its self employed status

you have to pay your own
 Personal  tax
National insurance
Public liability Ins
road tax
vehicle insurance

So £720 a week aint going far ???
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: simonwonder on November 26, 2008, 01:07:58 pm
further than £0 or less
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: ftp on November 26, 2008, 04:36:09 pm
If you worked at Tescos you would pay:
Tax
National Insurance
Road Tax
Vehicle Insurance

So £700 or more is not bad at all.
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: Ian Lancaster on November 26, 2008, 05:12:16 pm
Still a bit greedy, don't you think?

If the wages are £720 and that is 15% of the take, then the business owner is getting £4,080 per week :o :o :o :o :o

For doing what, exactly?
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: AuRavelling79 on November 26, 2008, 05:33:39 pm
Come on guys get real!

6 days a week at 8/10 jobs a day - what a larff!


Where are these 8/10 jobs a day for 25 days = 250 a month, month after month.

You'd be dead within a month - either worn out or fallen off a ladder.

This is how these jobs work (over-generalisation I know)

Mr Polski turns up and starts at 8am. Finishes first job (3 sides of a semi) at 10 am and then on to the next and starts at 10.15. Finishes at noon and on to the next finishes at 2pm and then 4pm and now it's dark.

So that's 4 jobs. Let's say Mr. Speedski does 5 so what's his earnings? £60/70 a day in winter.


I reckon I could go on the knocker and get 2/3 jobs in a day at £40/60 a throw and be way better off!
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: NWH on November 26, 2008, 05:52:54 pm
Rip off if you ask me,i`d be buggered if i`d do a 60 quid job for 9 quid lol.
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: dai on November 26, 2008, 06:25:12 pm
If you have your own ladders and van, insurance etc, you may just as well go round looking for grass growing out of gutters. Buy a squeegee, bucket and applicator and clean a few windows while your at it.
Paying a guy just 15% when he's using his own equipment is a joke.
I would let him keep 60% for cleaning windows, and if he can do 10 gutter jobs a day he would have no problem doing 40 houses on his own.
Title: Re: saw a job on gumtree what a rip off
Post by: trike on November 27, 2008, 04:40:39 pm
YOU COUILD ALLWAYS TAKE A JOB WITH DHL,SELF EMPLOYED 3HOURS ADAY DELIVER 25PARCELS FOR 65P A PARCEL AND USE YOUR OWN TRANSPORT,TAKES ME TWO WEEKS TO MAKE 700