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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Les on November 25, 2008, 01:02:17 pm
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Hi all,
Just had a good customer of mine on the phone. Wants to know if I can do anything about the water damage on their leather sofa.
He's a millionaire several times over 8) so the sofa is unlikely to have come from Argos :o
I said I'd try to locate someone who specialises in Leather Cleaning & Repairs and I'll stick to doing the things I do best.
So, anyone out there covering the Cambridge area who thinks they can help please get in touch ?
Les
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Hi Les, im in Cambs, have you got any pics of the suite?
Cheers Russell.
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Its obviously an Analine type suite, i may be wrong but i think watermarks are permanent.
I had a similar problem not long ago, called LTT and they told me it was not reversible.
Mark
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How the hell do you know it's analine ..................
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it could be re-sprayed if it was originally, most are, even the expensive ones
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There are a mass of different leathers out there and all have their own problems. One should never presume, so I guess the only way to identify the leather is for someone to go and have a look.
There are expensive pigmented, micro pigmented and of course aniline dyed too, and all with different finishes, textures, wear rates etc etc. Obviously anilines cannot be sprayed as a rule of thumb.
Kev
p.s. I have a custy that I have to phone tomorrow for a visit at some stage, and she is in Royston - not that far from Cambridge. If you want I could pop in and advise at the same time?
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anyone there, les?
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Hi Russell,
I've just got in from doing a quote for someone, but thanks for everyone's responses.
Kev is going to contact him with a view to taking a look but if he has no luck given the distance I can take a photo on Thursday when I'm doing some valeting at the house and can send it to you.
given your varying responses regarding what type of leather it might be you can see why I prefer to avoid it. ;)
Les
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ok les no probs, just in case you cant find anyone, im ncca trained, leather trained, regularly clean and restore leather, and im based in cambs
you can email me
crowncleaning@myway.com
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Thanks Russell
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The tight wad.
If he's a multi millionaire why don't he buy a new one.
John
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Here is an example of water damage restoration.
It does not matter which absorbent or semi-absorbent leather types - all can be done!
Training is not a prerequisite - just follow instruction!
What do you think of the result?
Roger Koh
Leather Cleaning Restoration Forum.com
#1 before
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/1AldoShoesWaterStains.jpg)
#2 before right side
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/2RightSide.jpg)
#3 before left side
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/3LeftSide.jpg)
#4 rinse3.0™
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/4Rinsewithrinse30.jpg)
#5 relaxer3.3™
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/5LeatherStructureWetoutwithrelaxer3.jpg)
#6 after
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/6WaterStainsGone.jpg)
#7 after right side
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/7RightSideClose-Up.jpg)
#8 after left side
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/8LeftSideClose-Up.jpg)
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god job
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"good" i mean
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How the hell do you know it's analine ..................
Analine soaks in moisture, pigmented doesnt!!!
Cant see it been suede or nubuck can you?
Mark
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There was no information posted when I asked......................assumed I missed a photograph!!!
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Analine soaks in moisture, pigmented doesnt!!!
Mark
Got to be honest, there are pigmented's that DO absorb moisture i.e. micro pigmented anilines! They can easily be damaged from head grease too - sorry Mark :P
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Nice on the outside Roger, what about the mould inside the shoes?.Do you have a product to remove and kill the mould?
Bob
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Analine soaks in moisture, pigmented doesnt!!!
Mark
Got to be honest, there are pigmented's that DO absorb moisture i.e. micro pigmented anilines! They can easily be damaged from head grease too - sorry Mark :P
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Cheers for correcting me Kev, i jumped the gun on this one :-[ :-[
Mark
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LOL, I know you knew this anyway :D
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Kev,
You are absolutely right!
1. Example of non-absorbent pigment is pigColor64™.
2. Example of semi-absorbent pigment is semiColor74™.
3. Example of absorbent pigments are napaColor84™ and nubuckColor94™.
Bob,
For mould use this product:
d’Mold3.6™ concentrate - shake well and mix with 10 parts distilled water before use.
Ready-to-use specialty leather cleaner pH value 3.6 is a water-based leathersafe fungicide.
A phenol substitute developed to kill mold growth.
To: Disinfect and control musty odor from mold activities after decontamination cleaning.
For: All leathers - aniline, pure-aniline, semi-aniline, veg-tan, pigmented, bicast, nubuck and suede or woolskin.
Instruction:
1. To remove, contain and dispose mold responsibly in terms of health and the environment.
2. To remove remaining residue - restoration cleaning is recommended with d’Grease4.9™, clean3.8™, rinse3.0™, fatliquor5.0™ prior to disinfecting.
3. To shake well, spray soak and agitate with leatherBrush1™, nubuckBrush2™ or suedeBrush3™.
4. To let dry naturally.
5. To mask odor with a classic leather scent - use leatherScent’B™, D, S or W.
For bacteria use this product:
d’Bacteria3.7™ concentrate - shake well and mix with 21 parts distilled water before use.
Ready-to-use specialty leather cleaner pH value 3.7 is a water-based biodegradable, odorless and colorless leathersafe bactericide.
For: All leathers - aniline, pure-aniline, semi-aniline, veg-tan, pigmented, bicast, nubuck and suede or woolskin.
To: Disinfect and control pungent odor causing bacteria activities after decontamination cleaning.
Instruction:
1. To remove all foreign contamination, restoration cleaning is recommended - use d’Grease4.9™, clean3.8™ and rinse3.0™
2. To shake well, spray bactericide and agitate with leatherBrush1™, nubuckBrush2™ or suedeBrush3™.
3. To inspect when dry, repeat if necessary.
4. To mask odor with a classic leather scent - use leatherScent’B™, D, S or W.
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That's still a nice job though.
Shaun
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Yep, nice one Rog - very impressive. How long did you leave each of the products on?
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The product should soak for 4 to 24 hours; cover with tissue paper to allow capillary motion of foreign contamination to wick through the tissue paper!
You will see the stains caught by the tissue paper when dry.
Read more details:
relaxer3.3™ concentrate - warm bottle, shake well and mix with 25 parts distilled water before use.
Ready-to-use specialty leather conditioner pH value 3.3 is a water-based leathersafe leather structure hydrating conditioner.
For: All leathers - aniline, pure-aniline, semi-aniline, veg-tan, pigmented, nubuck, suede and wet-able woolskin.
To: Hydrate dried, cardboard stiffness or shrinkage leathers due to ageing or heat over-exposure prior to fatliquor5.0™.
Saturate leather structure sufficiently to allow colloidal water movement to facilitate hydrogen bonding or capillary motion of foreign contamination.
Instruction:
1. To clean thoroughly with d’Grease4.9™, clean3.8™ and rinse3.0™ prior to relaxer3.3™.
2. To shake well; spray soak and agitate to penetrate into the leather structure.
3. To accelerate structure penetration is by the reverse side, micro cracks, needle holes or perforation on non-absorbent leathers.
4. To effectively penetrate severe stiffness or shrinkage it is recommended to cover with tissue paper and wet thoroughly, wrap with towel follow by plastic to completely seal it.
5. To allow a minimum of 4 to 24 hours of controlled soaking until the leather is fully hydrated and relaxed or penetrated stain dispersed.
6. To unwrap, extract and spray with fatliquor5.0™ while the leather is moist but not wet for a perfect fatliquoring.
Roger Koh
Leather Cleaning Restoration Forum.com
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These are examples of how hydrating the leather structure works!
#1 Cat Urine Stain on Semi-Aniline Leather
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/1CatUrinestain.jpg)
#2 Soaking by relaxer3.3™ to allow colloidal water movement to facilitate capillary motion of foreign contamination.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/2Hydratewithrelaxer33.jpg)
#3 Color saturation correction with fratliquor5.0™
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/3Colorbalancewithfatliquor50.jpg)
Roger Koh
Leather Cleaning Restoration Forum.com
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Roger in the last step are you just spray applying fat laquor ?
Shaun
PS For us mere mortals can you go through the step by steps with out the big words
ie
1. soak with product a
2. clean with product b
3. rinse with product c
Happy for trade names but your way of writing isn't our way of reading and that is where we could be lost in translation.
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Fatliquor5.0™ can be used in many ways; one of its usages is to saturate the color intensity of the leather giving it a richer deeper hue.
So colors or dyes are not necessary (safe the color matching headaches).
I wish I can say it more simply (maybe you can help?).
That’s why I always follow up with pictures (save a thousand words)!
But it is still the end results that matter most to our customers!
Roger Koh
Leather Doctor® System
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Roger,
did you only use rinse and then relaxer on the shoes?
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Yes! As the picture shows, it is more of the relaxer3.3™ with a pH of 3.3 (leathersafe) that works within the leather structure that wicks out the foreign contamination.
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The biggest and hardest thing we come across is head grease on Aniline what's the prescription and how would it look? (that should test your memory of your photo library)
Also colour loss on Aniline is there an answer without redyeing?
Shaun
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Shaun,
This topic is about "water damage".
For "head grease" stains removal we shall continue discussing from here:
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=65095.0
Anyway this is anoher bonus pictures on child urine stain removal from Aniline Wax Pull-up.
Is urine stain also consider as leather "water damaged" restoration?
Pick your answer!
1. Yes
2. No
3. Not sure
#1 Urine Stains on Wax Pull-up Leathers
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/2.jpg)
#2 Treatment with clean3.8™, rinse3.0™ and relaxer3.3™.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/3clean38withrinse3.jpg)
#3 Stains Gone when dry
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn4/Rogerkoh/4.jpg)
Roger Koh
Leather Cleaning Restoration Forum.com
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yes
based on appearance.
Shaun
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Is it me or is Roger actually talking sense?
Maybe we cant quite get to grips with his words - but pictures paint a thousand words right?
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The pictures and the knowledge are there to be scene just need Ceefax page 888.
Roger perhaps more simple steps for us simpletons we are having problems keeping up.
Keep posting I think you have now struck the right chord.
Shaun
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Roger
You deserve a great deal of credit for coming back on here and backing up your abilities so well with excellent illustrations, showing that your way of dealing with leather works and works very well.
The more basic treatments available in the UK serve the majority adequately and will no doubt continue to do so, but like a number of others, I love the way you approach what look like unsurmountable problems and resolve them.
robert m
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I agree with Robert, there are certain things you have in your arsenal that we don't have or kust don't know about, keep up the good work but take it easy on the key board ;D
Shaun