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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: richywilts on November 24, 2008, 04:35:49 pm
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how does everyone price up there guttervac work?
i know each job and site is different but is there a simple method to follow do u price per metre or just on how long the job takes.
if you price on how long it takes wat do u roughly charge per hour or half hour
any advice would be appreciated
cheers richy
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i am looking at getting a gutter vac next year and was also wondering on prices
I am going to have a minimum price and then take it from there but it has to be more worthwhile than window cleaning or for me its not worth it
Going to learn on residential first and then move on to some commercial
sorry i cant give any figures as i dont really know myself hopefully someone will post figures but i doubt it as people dont like talking figures on an open forum
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im buying one on sunday ideal time i suppose to target residential with all the leaves that have dropped from the trees it will hopefully fill sum of the gaps i have in my work at mo as only have 50 odd customers as i havent tried canvassing yet. just like to know roughly wat u can expect to charge if anyone can give rough prices
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What you getting Richy ? wouldn't mind a look when your set up i'm only down the road from you , never know i might ask you about renting it if i get a one off on .
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you getting omnivac rich?
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im buying second hand 1 that was posted on ere the other day omnivac, where are u based mate?
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personal opinion... i would say its more hassle than its worth for domestic jobs..
commercial yes ... been doing gutters all day of a ladder and the thought of setting up gutter vac.. unblocking down pipes,petrol,unblocking hoses,outlay for system..upkeep of system.new motors ,new poles.etc etc.. you would have to be charging a fair price to cover costs and to recoup your invetment..
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im buying second hand 1 that was posted on ere the other day omnivac, where are u based mate?
Warrington,
Looked at that one but would prefer 110v as if you do any commercial work 240v need pat testing and other stuff, 110v classed as safety voltage so no mither from H&S, fine for residential though
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can u not convert them into 110v or wateva?
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liverpool ;D
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i charge per metre - and only charge what needs doing.
Ive gone from up a ladder with a bucket to the vac (not used it yet for business only on my own property) but its the same price.
Or you could charge a per hour or per half hour with a minimum start from price like £20 as you dont want to carry the vac, hose etc around with you all the time.
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can u not convert them into 110v or wateva?
Dunno , you'd have to ask some of the diy wiz-kids on here ? i'm only repeating what BiL [ who's a spark] told me.
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240 is fine for commercial so long as your Risk Assessments are in order.
Kevin R uses a 240V machine for his commercial and has no problems. Your not likely to use them on a building site as the gutters are new and have nothing inside.. they will request 110V for H&S.
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its a mixture really, per metre if easy access, per hour if awkward access, youve got to allow extra time for blocked down pipes,
e.g i had a school the other day which i priced per metre but didnt allow for awkwardness, i had to climb onto a flat roof and lift the hoover up there too,a bit of a pain and under priced
I charge a minimum of £50
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drive surgeon i used to do the driveway cleaning but sold the gear i while back found it hard work completing jobs when they wanted the driveway sealing, wat sort of jobs do you do? the guy i sold it too hasnt done much either was thinking of buying it back as an add on to my window cleaning business.
are you full up with work at moment
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how do you unblocked the downpipes?
cant you use the custys electric on domestic jobs? joiners and plumbers do?
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If the gutter needs emptying, you can bet the outsides and soffits, fascias etc will need cleaning too so price it well.
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how do you unblocked the downpipes?
cant you use the custys electric on domestic jobs? joiners and plumbers do?
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no winter is dead, driveway cleaning is deffo being knocked on the head with the credit crunch.]
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anyone else buying a vac?
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drive surgeon.....get a ladder and bucket go knock on doors...around your area
iam from belfast but we our trying to earn the same money with the queens head on it
if i can help in any way with pricing i will happily give you my number for chat.
you only need work to tie you through the winter
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how much per metre for this?
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you would need a bit more info than one photo...is it for a property mangement company
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i have already put my quote in but interested what you guys would quote per metre, its a council building
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i have already put my quote in but interested what you guys would quote per metre, its a council building
I will quote lower than you so i get the job ;D ;D ;D
Ps i no a guy who will do it off cherry picker for £350 cash does this help you.
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how much per metre for this?
My god its a lawnmower you need there? Is it just them two houses?
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Would a vac remove that build-up? :-\
With the roots on that rain forrest i would guess that it would lift out almost in one piece then you could vac the remains?
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you need to use the gutter spike to break the grass and mut up then a vac should do the job.
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Yep, the vac won't touch that untill you loosen it and break it up. Even if you could get it out in one piece the weight would be like a sack of potatoes. :)
Had one today and had to spike it first - i could almost hook it and pull over the side but it would have nearly gone through the conservatory roof.
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hey ftp what do you think about using custys electric for gutter vacuuming??
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Did it once - they were happy but i wasn't. I was really worried about tripping their supply 3600w is quite a lot of power. Another customer wanted me to use his extension but i would have melted if i had. Generator gives me piece of mind.
My big vac started to struggle a bit for suction today because the pipes were silting up, had to suck on a hosepipe for a minute or two to wash it out. I think the smaller powered vacs are going to struggle. :-\
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what do mean smaller vacs? smaller than yours? if you use a extension socket with a trip switch on it it wont blow the custys electric will it?
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Yes a vac with less than triple 1200w motors i think might struggle somewhat.
No electric shouldn't trip but what if it did? What if your customer is out? How do you accesss their electric?
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i was looking at wety n dry vacs on ebay,
3000 W INDUSTRIAL Wet & Dry VACUUM CLEANER- 80 Litre
Watch the VIDEO and see a demonstration - in use. its £259, what do you think of it? will it do the job?
the company are "equiptoclean" i think.
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there is also another one on there for £250, is this any good?
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Honestly i can't comment because i haven't used anything else. I remember Glyn of Omnipole rubbished them saying the were chinese and no good. Don't know where mine is manufactured, (funny he supplies Chinese generators?) So you would need to speak to someone who has used one.
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Have a look through this thread, i think Poleman uses a cheaper version.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=62490.0
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No expert? Come now Kevin ;D
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i looked at polemans post and the set up looks great but where did he purchase the tubes fromand how did he stick the hose to the bottom of the tubes?
might buy this vacuum soon so need the poles and extras fast? ???
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Gardiners
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http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=62490.0
this is the post im talking about guys.
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isnt it made of carbon fibre though the poles? i thought aluminium is better like omnipoles?
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ftp are you using polemans set up?
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also, how do you get broken pieces of tiles out of gutter? the vac wont suck them will it?
and does the vacuum get dead heavy to lift when its full of sludge? where do you dump it? at custys place or take home? ???
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ftp who can fix the eastern trading vaccum if it breaks? or can any vacuum supplier fix it?
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So many questions: who can fix the eatern trading vacuum? I don't know i haven't got one. Tiles will stick to the nozzle so just switch the power off and dump them wherever you want. I have a similar set up to Poleman in that i use carbon pole sections. I have an almost identical system to MrH.
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sorry ftp, im just hoping to buy asap and need all the help i can get, im a gutter virgin! ;)
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how heavy are they wet n dry vacs empty and when they are full of sludge? do you just drain the water out down a grid? do you need a ramp to get it into van when full?
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I tip the water off down a roadside drain then bag the rest up. Customer wanted to keep the sack full of rubbish yesterday for his compost heap.
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cool! ;D
getting the vac this week then the poles asap with the attachments.
hope its worth it!
is it really heavy work holding the poles?
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I tip the water off down a roadside drain then bag the rest up. Customer wanted to keep the sack full of rubbish yesterday for his compost heap.
I believe you can be done for this.. better off doing in the property of the customer.
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ftp who can fix the eastern trading vaccum if it breaks? or can any vacuum supplier fix it?
If you haven;t modified it then i assume you can claim on the warranty. Only thing likely to go is the motors and you can buy them direct or buy similar from other vacuum suppliers.
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I tip the water off down a roadside drain then bag the rest up. Customer wanted to keep the sack full of rubbish yesterday for his compost heap.
I believe you can be done for this.. better off doing in the property of the customer.
Get done for what? Tipping rainwater down a drain - are you sure?
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cool! ;D
getting the vac this week then the poles asap with the attachments.
hope its worth it!
is it really heavy work holding the poles?
What poles are you getting?
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good point ftp, how can they do you for tipping rain down the drain :D
hopefully the sl2 base sections as i cant afford omnipole, will see how much work i get with the diy vac first. just domestic jobs. ???
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I tip the water off down a roadside drain then bag the rest up. Customer wanted to keep the sack full of rubbish yesterday for his compost heap.
I believe you can be done for this.. better off doing in the property of the customer.
Get done for what? Tipping rainwater down a drain - are you sure?
No im not sure, thats why it should really be checking with your local authority or environment agency. For starters you need a waste carrier licence, as you will have residual waste with you even if you dont take any of it. unless you clean it up that well at the property you had just cleaned, but i cant see that happening.
It may not be such a big deal to you and me, but to those enviro types it could be a ticket to a fine.. however likely you are to actually getting one ive no idea.
All im saying is check first.
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i always carry waste sludge from block paving. usually loose it into custys borders or take to the tip, these environment geeks are getting stupid, ???
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sludge from block paving is just sand, weeds and moss which is all natural stuff so how can they do you for carrying that? its just crazy.
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good point ftp, how can they do you for tipping rain down the drain :D
hopefully the sl2 base sections as i cant afford omnipole, will see how much work i get with the diy vac first. just domestic jobs. ???
So are you making the loop on the top of the pole with support brackets and do you know what extension lead you will need? The poles are very light and holding them is not a problem. I would think you need three sections for two storey residential work and a spike of some sorts.
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cheers ftp, glad to know they are light, what lenght do they come in? i want to go higher than the average house as some gutters are higher i have noticed.
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doyou have another pole for the spike? i might not get a camera i might just use the wing mirror someone else was using, he said it works a treat/
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drive surgeon - can you drop me your email please
details are not on your profile
Russ
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I'd be very careful empting the water on streets. They'd class that as littering.. I do it the odd time but have look around first ;D
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sludge from block paving is just sand, weeds and moss which is all natural stuff so how can they do you for carrying that? its just crazy.
You need a waste license to remove garden waste if you are a commercial operation. If your a private resident doing it yourself then you dont.
Which is why i said be careful (regarding emptying of the vac), and try to do it on private residence where people cant see it.
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doyou have another pole for the spike? i might not get a camera i might just use the wing mirror someone else was using, he said it works a treat/
Yes, you will need another pole for a spike. I use a glassfibre wfp. The spike is going to be needed too you won't do many gutters without it. People will phone for a gutter clean usually when things are bad. Most of your work will be clearing moss, grass and plants. I had a brilliant one today - just leaves.
I think you can get a spike for a pressure washing lance that you already have?
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sound ftp i will look for a spike. im hoping for jobs too with not much in gutters. do you blow the leaves out or just suck them all out? do big leaves suck up?
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All suck, trouble is a lot of the gutters look fine from ground level but are half to three quarters full of silt and moss. I did one today and after raking it with a spike i sucked the debris up. A lot of it clung to the insides of the poles and hose, you know this straight away as everything seems to double in weight. When this happens it's handy to suck a bucket of water through to clear the pipes.
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do you find it hard tiring work?
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No i find it easy! The hard bit is when people want the outsides washed along with fascias and soffits - that's what i find knackering! I could vacuum all day i don't find it much worse than wfp'ing windows to be honest. I have heard the aluminium powerpole can be a little heavy and when it clogs i should imagine it would weigh a ton. Superlight sections are just that - Superlight!
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sounds great, i know what you mean about washing the outside of the gutter too as it means setting up a pressure washer too! does it make a mess of the outside of the gutters?
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sounds great, i know what you mean about washing the outside of the gutter too as it means setting up a pressure washer too! does it make a mess of the outside of the gutters?
No it cleans them..
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getting my kit together ready for next year, wont go for the omni vac as too dear, just need a cheaper system to do a few gutters for extra money, if it takes off then maybe get omnivac in future. :)
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iknow what you mean kev mate, its just my main work is pressure washing so just wanted gutter cleaning to keep me busy in the winter so wanted to get a cheap system, do you think i should invest in omnivac for domestic houses, i need to start domestic to learn the trade like with pressure washing, what kit do you think i should get to start?? thanks :)
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Funny thing is, there are also guys who spend thousands on wfp systems from big suppliers and some that will pay £15000 for a franchise (near me) with no van and no work to chase £10 windowcleaning jobs.
It's really up to you drive surgeon what you want to do and how much you want to spend. I'm not sure you clean windows as well - you will need to if you intend pressure washing the outsides of gutters. I've never said the omnivac is no good - it obviously does the job. If your not sure about diy then buy the ready made goods.
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kev, what heights do you work to on commercial?
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I'm interested in the Omnivac too but mainly for residential, the reason being that I know a few people who have not been paid due commercials going in to liquidation.
Is it reasonable to ask for payement on completion of the job on commercial work?
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is that 60 feet.