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Title: ultra pure water
Post by: jouk45 on November 17, 2008, 10:20:09 pm
i have heard the expression ultra pure water, now i use di water as i am soft water, and others use ro for hard water areas, but i have never understood the term ultra pure, now i have alway though if your tds was 000ppm that was pure, can anyone explain ultra pure that some claim, even i would like to hear that one,
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: steve a on November 17, 2008, 10:30:39 pm
That would be  when you drink your DI water and then pass it through your kidneys and out of the hose that is connected to your triple thick condom. Oh and its a hot wash as well  ;D
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: LWC on November 17, 2008, 10:32:56 pm
its water that ultra clean obviously
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: jouk45 on November 17, 2008, 10:35:12 pm
so your saying its all just hot wash,  ;D  thats what i thought, over exaduration
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: steve a on November 17, 2008, 10:49:11 pm
so your saying its all just hot wash,  ;D  thats what i thought, over exaduration

NOooo. what I meant was it'll be warm when it comes out of your kidleys..Joking Joe ::)
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on November 17, 2008, 10:53:11 pm
That would be  when you drink your DI water and then pass it through your kidneys and out of the hose that is connected to your triple thick condom. Oh and its a hot wash as well  ;D
;D ;D ;D
is it water measured at 0 parts per BILLION
instead of 0 parts per MILLION
which is what we use
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: matt on November 17, 2008, 10:54:03 pm
isnt it something to do with waters that pure but really hard


sorry, its a football joke
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: jouk45 on November 17, 2008, 10:54:22 pm
so your saying its all just hot wash,  ;D  thats what i thought, over exaduration

NOooo. what I meant was it'll be warm when it comes out of your kidleys..Joking Joe ::)
nothing passes my kidney without authorizasion  ;D
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: jouk45 on November 17, 2008, 10:58:32 pm
all joking aside i think lj thorpe has a point there, is there such a thing as ultra pure,
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: Neil Williams on November 17, 2008, 11:06:35 pm
It's all about the defination of pure.
We grade ours in parts per million.
The medical world goes in parts per trillion.

Truely pure water would be 2 parts of hydrogen per one part oxygen which absolutely nothing else which is hard to achieve other than on paper.
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: jouk45 on November 17, 2008, 11:09:22 pm
so what would we benifit from no parts per trilloin,  no spotting ever again, but would it be more agressive to pvc frames, or does it get to the stage where it becomes more acid like, is there a limit to how far we go with purity of the water
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: jouk45 on November 17, 2008, 11:49:00 pm
ok heres another question, we use resin to get water down to 000ppm what do hospitals 
use to get there water down to parts per trillion??? 
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: alanwilson on November 17, 2008, 11:57:01 pm
nuclear grade resin
only really used in research and electronic engineering.

hydrolysis will produce very pure water as well - normally measured in micro-siemens ( a measure of electrical conductivity)
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: pjulk on November 17, 2008, 11:57:55 pm
I think its just a marketing ploy
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: jouk45 on November 17, 2008, 11:59:08 pm
and would this resin be available to us or just the private sector
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: jouk45 on November 18, 2008, 12:00:49 am
I think its just a marketing ploy
thats what i thought paul, but aparently it is not, there really is ultra pure water
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: steve a on November 18, 2008, 12:20:20 am
why bother with resin, just use nuclear physics and join 2 atoms of one with 1 atom of the other voila instant abso******lutely pure as pure can be ---------water.

But--------------------------------it's window cleaning----------and

0.000 parts per million does the job so why------------------spoil my bacardi & coke.

Cheers . All the best


Steve a
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: jouk45 on November 18, 2008, 12:28:45 am
if pure water  does the job then why are folk turning to hot water,  see my point,  if we can tune up a car to go that bit faster, is it possible to do the same with pure water, using an upgrades resin,
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: windowwashers on November 18, 2008, 12:29:15 am
all joking aside i think lj thorpe has a point there, is there such a thing as ultra pure,
yes there has to be, bit I am not going to be boiling all my water then filtering it after every day, ro and di is fine for me 000 on meters is good enough for me  ;D
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: windowwashers on November 18, 2008, 12:30:28 am
if pure water  does the job then why are folk turning to hot water,  see my point, 
hot water breaks down dirt quicker, this is the only benifit, it may also dry 10 seconds faster aswell
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: alanwilson on November 18, 2008, 12:45:22 am
nuclear grade resin is available

look on gapswater

about 300 I think for a 50kg bag.
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: windowwashers on November 18, 2008, 12:46:00 am
nuclear grade resin is available

look on gapswater

about 300 I think for a 50kg bag.
any idea how long it lasts ??????????????????????????????????
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: alanwilson on November 18, 2008, 12:48:40 am
doesn't last that long

about the same as normal resin I think

not worth buying for us I'm afraid but I was asked
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: windowwashers on November 18, 2008, 12:54:04 am
doesn't last that long

about the same as normal resin I think

not worth buying for us I'm afraid but I was asked
do you know that for a fact Alan ? or did they (the supplier) tell you this ?
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: alanwilson on November 18, 2008, 01:00:59 am
When I worked in Engineering the techs used nuclear resin and since starting wc'ing I contacted the techs I knew and asked them.

Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: windowwashers on November 18, 2008, 01:05:40 am
When I worked in Engineering the techs used nuclear resin and since starting wc'ing I contacted the techs I knew and asked them.


Fair comment you poser  :P
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: jouk45 on November 18, 2008, 05:03:11 pm
alan is right, heres the stuff, wonder if this is better than what we use, or would it clean better, surley it must do, as it is almost double the price,
Nuclear grade mixed bed DI resin cartridges are used in the production of ultra-pure water, ensuring that the water treated is of the highest purity possible.

http://www.gapswater.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000001.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2egapswater%2eco%2euk%2f&WD=resin&PN=water_treatmnet_filter_cartridges%2ehtml%23a1006#a1006
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: DASERVICES on November 18, 2008, 05:10:18 pm
That is Purolite brand which is the same spec as Tulsion MB-115 which is a nuclear grade resin

www.reskem.com/pdf/resin-equivalency.pdf

Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: craig21t on November 18, 2008, 06:51:42 pm
if its the same quality why is it so cheap compared to the others?
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: DASERVICES on November 18, 2008, 08:13:03 pm
if its the same quality why is it so cheap compared to the others?


It's the most expensive to buy direct from the manufacturer but my overheads are less than other suppliers so hence the savings get passed onto the customer.
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: michael papworth on November 18, 2008, 08:23:10 pm
I wouldn't have thought that going to better than 0 ppm would have made that much difference. It certainly wouldn't affect the pH.

It's a generally understood rule that 10 deg C increase in temperature makes chemical reactions go twice as fast. Presumably that goes for dissolving as well.

Using warm/hot water may well speed up the cleaning process that we use to clean glass. It won't make any appreciable difference to the drying time since it will very quickly cool down to ambient.
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: SherwoodCleaningSe on November 19, 2008, 03:13:40 pm
Ultra pure water 000 ppb or ppt can only be stored in glass containers it has a tendency to disolve every thing else. So first thing you'll notice is you storage tank has disappeared then your baffeled tank then your hoses then your brush, after that you'll run out of customers as their window frames would be vanishing.

Simon.
Title: Re: ultra pure water
Post by: michael papworth on November 19, 2008, 03:30:22 pm
Ultra pure water 000 ppb or ppt can only be stored in glass containers it has a tendency to disolve every thing else. So first thing you'll notice is you storage tank has disappeared then your baffeled tank then your hoses then your brush, after that you'll run out of customers as their window frames would be vanishing.

Simon.

I think that it might be safer to store it in containers made from depleted uranium. This stuff is quite safe to have around.

I remember a couple of years ago that our beloved government issued two statements in the same week.

One was saying that depleted uranium was harmless and safe to release into the (Croatian) environment. Another one warned against taking vitamin tablets.