Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: wcs. on November 14, 2008, 09:25:35 pm
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So many have different views on price they often forget the other “value”
This thread is not about cost, but how do you determine price (and value.)
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He's talking about good advice, it costs nothing and is immensely valuable.Ask away Ewan.......
Okay, business of any kind is all about adding value. You just have to find a way to do it. In wc terms I do this by using mechanisation, machines and systems to do all my work.
This means george for the admin, systems-slips- and full use of the internet for collecting, and hot water and an electric reel to minimise the physical side. I don't even need to come up with my own ideas. i've got this place.
There's a satisfaction from doing things extremely well that goes beyond price.
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Not sure how relevant this is but when I started wc i was way out of my comfort zone and pretty much hated it. It was hard doing what felt like groveling (door knocking), when I was already a proven success in another field. I think now though that this humilation is necessary in any venture early on if you are to achieve later success ( i'd managed to conveniently forget that i had been like a fish out of water when I had started my other thing too.)
I'm at ease now though, which is probably a bad thing. I used to ache like anything, and when I read high earning posts I didn't see how it was possible. My customers were always complianing no matter how hard I tried.
I don't ache now, the customers seem to like me and my views on earnings are now to hit an ambitous target (I said target not that i'm achieving this and I very often have to work saturdays).
my impression is that I am not alone in this.
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Not sure how relevant this is but when I started wc i was way out of my comfort zone and pretty much hated it. It was hard doing what felt like groveling (door knocking), when I was already a proven success in another field. I think now though that this humilation is necessary in any venture early on if you are to achieve later success ( i'd managed to conveniently forget that i had been like a fish out of water when I had started my other thing too.)
I'm at ease now though, which is probably a bad thing. I used to ache like anything, and when I read high earning posts I didn't see how it was possible. My customers were always complianing no matter how hard I tried.
I don't ache now, the customers seem to like me and my views on earnings are now to target 1.5k weekly (I said target not that i'm achieving this and I very often have to work saturdays).
I'll probably modify this post to take the earnings out but my impression is that I am not alone in this.
So you've been cleaning windows since April this year and now you can earn £1.5K a week; though sometimes you have to work Saturdays to achieve this!
And you're based in the Midlands.
Are you being honest now?
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Tosh - he said that 1.5k was his target,he didnt say he was getting that.
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Tosh - he said that 1.5k was his target,he didnt say he was getting that.
Well, not exactly, Discount said:
and my views on earnings are now to target 1.5k weekly (I said target not that i'm achieving this and I very often have to work saturdays).
So his target is 1.5K per week, and that he's not always achieving this and has to work Saturdays; implying he can't do the £1.5 Mon to Fri.
That's how I read it.
But okay, maybe he's only doing £1K per week; not bad for a n00b who started in April last year; not bad at all.
;)
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Not sure how relevant this is but when I started wc i was way out of my comfort zone and pretty much hated it. It was hard doing what felt like groveling (door knocking), when I was already a proven success in another field. I think now though that this humilation is necessary in any venture early on if you are to achieve later success ( i'd managed to conveniently forget that i had been like a fish out of water when I had started my other thing too.)
I'm at ease now though, which is probably a bad thing. I used to ache like anything, and when I read high earning posts I didn't see how it was possible. My customers were always complianing no matter how hard I tried.
I don't ache now, the customers seem to like me and my views on earnings are now to hit an ambitous target (I said target not that i'm achieving this and I very often have to work saturdays).
my impression is that I am not alone in this.
if you were already a sucess in another field,
why did you start window cleaning? ???
daz
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Thats what I don't understand guys that have been going a few years and drive round in bangers and bragg about forty pound poles.
I remember you saying you were skint and had no one to lend off and things had gotten better, well I admire that. I respect hard work, but you should have pressed home your advantage. there are three, arent there, one canes it like myself but keeps his mouth mostly shut, another is a loser by nature but is starting to break the habit and earn a few bob despite his idiotic ideas, then yourself.Nice bloke, good poster, even better at windups, good wc, starting to get a good biz. But held back by disgruntlement at officer class (me?) and no idea about potential.
I might have known you'd save and paste it, I said i'd modify it because i agree with what's said about the many startups. I was trying to be frank with ewan not start world war three.
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with the client in view
price is what they pay you
value is what they receive
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There are lots or reason’s why somebody changes career, the obvious one is money.
The threads about something else, interested to here other’s views on this, if you have one.
i,m still trying to work out what thereads about ;D
daz
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Thats what I don't understand guys that have been going a few years and drive round in bangers and bragg about forty pound poles.
I remember you saying you were skint and had no one to lend off and things had gotten better, well I admire that. I respect hard work, but you should have pressed home your advantage. there are three, arent there, one canes it like myself but keeps his mouth mostly shut, another is a loser by nature but is starting to break the habit and earn a few bob despite his idiotic ideas, then yourself.Nice bloke, good poster, even better at windups, good wc, starting to get a good biz. But held back by disgruntlement at officer class (me?) and no idea about potential.
I might have known you'd save and paste it, I said i'd modify it because i agree with what's said about the many startups. I was trying to be frank with ewan not start world war three.
I'm going to save this post; I may make part of it my signature; it's so funny.
Discount, for a bloke of your age, you don't half talk some twaddle.
Now go to bed before you embarrass yourself some more.
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pram? rattle? - out of pram CALM DOWN ! ;)
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this is my PRICE! :oI'm worth evry penny ;D
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Lets here your views on price and value.
Redefine the question so I can understand it; I'm a Geordie; and I'll answer, but you'll have to be quick; Wor Lass wants her feet rubbed (groan).
Is this a Karl Marx thing?
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It wasn't twaddle, I was pulling my punches, yes the three amigos are well liked amusing posters but are also a case study in how it should be done, how it shouldn't, and something in between.
You are nice hard working bloke tosh and there is nothing wrong with that. Lifes too short.
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I sometimes wonder if you two shouldnt be in the local panto as Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee. Riddles.
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this is my PRICE! :oI'm worth evry penny ;D
LOL, sorry only deal with notes, not lose change. ;D
change will do ...as long as its money to the same value ;D
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Lets here your views on price and value.
Redefine the question so I can understand it; I'm a Geordie; and I'll answer, but you'll have to be quick; Wor Lass wants her feet rubbed (groan).
Is this a Karl Marx thing?
How do you determine price Tosh, Value should be a part of that but some may not have considered it.
Karl Marx puts it better than I ever could when he wrote:
But since the workman receives his wages after his labor is performed, and knows, moreover, that what he actually gives to the capitalist is his labor, the value or price of his laboring power necessarily appears to him as the price or value of his labor itself. If the price of his laboring power is fifteen pence, in which six hours of labor are realized, and if he works twelve hours, he necessarily considers these fifteen pence as the value or price of twelve hours of labor, although these twelve hours of labor realize themselves in a value of thirty pence.
But does Discount really reckon he's earning £1.5K a week, or is he living in Fairy Land (which is just outside of Barry Island)?
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Night night ladies!
;)
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i give up ::)
i have decided to sell my round and give up cleaning windows
i am obviously way out of my depth
philosophically i mean,the technical and financial side is fine
but i must be doing something wrong,because.........
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL THESE POSTS ARE ABOUT ::) ::)
"where are you going?"
"what about the cost?"
i left my old job to get away from this sort of stuff ::)
simple business window cleaning.......my mistake then eh?
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i give up ::)
i have decided to sell my round and give up cleaning windows
i am obviously way out of my depth
philosophically i mean,the technical and financial side is fine
but i must be doing something wrong,because.........
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL THESE POSTS ARE ABOUT ::) ::)
"where are you going?"
"what about the cost?"
i left my old job to get away from this sort of stuff ::)
simple business window cleaning.......my mistake then eh?
;D ;D ;D
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I just want to know if Discount is earning £1.5 per week as he said last night?
Hey, that's not bad for someone who hasn't been a window cleaner for two-years yet.
I want to know how he does it? We all could learn something from him.
;)
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I just want to know if Discount is earning £1.5 per week as he said last night?
Hey, that's not bad for someone who hasn't been a window cleaner for two-years yet.
I want to know how he does it? We all could learn something from him.
;)
got to admit i would like to know how he does it too , does he employ people yet because as a sole trader it sounds over the top unless his prices are very high but if he is doing it good luck to him.
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got to admit i would like to know how he does it too , does he employ people yet because as a sole trader it sounds over the top unless his prices are very high but if he is doing it good luck to him.
No, he advertises himself as a cheap window cleaner; honest.
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tosh iv been window cleaning 3 years and i would say that turnover of 1.5k is well possible.
I have on full time employee and turnover more than that, my business has been going 3 years but every day iv learnt something evry time some thing goes wrong i learn from it i strive to be the best give the best service and work hard.
i believe what discount says to be true but there are so many sceptics beacause......please dont atke this to heart any one cause of the green eyed monster.........why can he earn £??? but i cant iv been doing it 15years so he must be lieing,thats how they see it!
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i believe what discount says to be true
Do you believe in fairies too? What about James Bond? I'm getting dragged off to see it when Wor Lass gets back from the hairdressers.
Is that a true story?
Unfortunately though, I'm not the guillable type; of course anything is possible within certain parameters, but I know enough about people and window cleaning to know what's likely and what isn't.
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tosh look at your reaction again typical from an officer who is above him self and thinks he always knows best, your to use to telling people what to do you actually think you know best so if you cant do it cant be done.
I was once in the army but i left cause it was full of know it alls and people who liked to be heard ::)
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tosh look at your reaction again typical from an officer who is above him self and thinks he always knows best, your to use to telling people what to do you actually think you know best so if you cant do it cant be done.
I was once in the army but i left cause it was full of know it alls and people who liked to be heard ::)
Ronnie, you're making me smile, mate.
It was Discount who suggested he was 'officer class' when he said I was being held back by those types:
But held back by disgruntlement at officer class (me?)
(That made me smile too).
And I wasn't an officer, I was a Staff Sergeant in a Warrant Officer's post; and a Warrant Officer isn't a 'proper officer' (such as Prince 'arry is); they don't hold the Queens commission.
Sigh!
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if he is turning over 1.5 k a week then he must be vat registered which puts another 17,5% percent extra on all his domestic accounts to be turning over this amount his prices would have to be very high before the dreaded vat so like tosh i think it is a bit of a jackanory, i am not saying that on the odd very good week this is not possible but regular as a one man band i doubt it very much.
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i think it is a bit of a jackanory, i am not saying that on the odd very good week this is not possible but regular as a one man band i doubt it very much.
...after just two years window cleaning when his first years turn-over was only £18K, his second year turnover is somehow now £50K+?
I bet discount struggles with a squeegy for inside work!
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I think people are being a bit unfair on Discount, it seems like a bit of ganging up to me, what he said was
I don't ache now, the customers seem to like me and my views on earnings are now to target 1.5k weekly I said target not that i'm achieving this and I very often have to work saturdays
Nowhere does it say he is achieving that figure
I say good look to him , he has a target, a tough target and i am sure he will have a good go at getting it.
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I think people are being a bit unfair on Discount, it seems like a bit of ganging up to me, what he said was
I don't ache now, the customers seem to like me and my views on earnings are now to target 1.5k weekly I said target [b]not that i'm achieving this[/b] and I very often have to work saturdays).
Nowhere does it say he is achieving that figure
I say good look to him , he has a target, a tough target and i am sure he will have a good go at getting it.
I read it to say his veiew on earnings are now to target £1.5 weekly, not that he's achieving this, and he very often has to work Saturdays.
This implies to me that he can't do it Mon to Fri, and has to work overtime on a Saturday to hit his £1.5K target.
How else can you read that?
If he doesn't want me to pick him up on it, why mention earnings at all?
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He forgot a comma maybe , i read it as £1.5 k is his target ,but he is nowhere near that ,even working saturdays as well and still no where near it
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He forgot a comma maybe , i read it as £1.5 k is his target ,but he is nowhere near that ,even working saturdays as well and still no where near it
Dave, you know I love splitting hairs, don't you. ;D
Read through the post again, on the first page, you'll see Discount doesn't deny that he's not making £1.5K after I initially pull him about it.
Instead he tries to put me down; but there's no denial; so he was saying he's making £1.5K a week; which is top for a n00b with less than two-years experience.
I know guys with posh vans and who live in smart houses who've been cleaning windows for 20 years, not earning that.
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Tosh
I will agree with you until discount comes back to make a statement , meantime give the guy a chance to reply. ;D
It was a Saturday night post so it could mean anything.
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tosh has iv said iv delt with people like your self you doubt it cause you cat do it it so it must be true, open yours eyes would you believe that some one could go from running a taxi to becoming a millionaire entrepeneur?
too many people go out to slag people down and its usually cause there jealous they think how can he possibly be telling the truth iv been doing it years i know everything bout window cleasning but i cant come near.........well maybe instead of putting some one down channel your energy into improving your business.
This is not a dig at any one but my opinion.
and about vat he may still be below the vat threshold with holidays and not always hitting is target and if he has hit the threshold he doesnt have to add 17.5% percent he could go on the flat rate10%(tostart then 11%) and include this to take the hit.
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Tosh
My apologies, you are right , he did not reply to defend it.
I read someone elses reply defending what he said, not his.
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It was a Saturday night post so it could mean anything.
Dave,
Today is Saturday, and it's a good few hours till night.
Don't tell me that not only can Discount earn £1.5K per week as a sole trader in less than two-years; he can aso travel forwards into time too.
Personally, I reckon there's more chance of the latter than the former, but I'll give it a rest.
Anyway, I've had my fun and now I need some food.
;D
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Ah Well A Friday night , there all the same.
I still think he said target, although with his replies he wasnt denying it.
Anyway good luck to him and everyone else, no matter what you want out of window cleaning.
Remember we cant all become millionares.
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you doubt it cause you cat do it
My cat can't do it. She was ran over by a car about four-years-ago.
That's why we got the dog.
???
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you doubt it cause you cat do it
My cat can't do it. She was ran over by a car about four-years-ago.
That's why we got the dog.
???
Tosh
That is so childish ;D
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typical like i said full of now it alls in the army thats why i left. we have a i know best situation were tosh knows best.
Tosh my spelling and english is not has good has yours but can we say the same about the business side and thats what were talking about.
3 years ive been cleaning windows and you can accept for your experience some one can be doing it better that you thats your crappy army mentallity use to bullying kids and licking asses to get were you get, well done that man!!!!
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I sometimes wonder if you two shouldnt be in the local panto as Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee. Riddles.
lol ;D ;D
its getting good now
guys go and have a pint, chill out its saturday 8)
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you doubt it cause you cat do it
My cat can't do it. She was ran over by a car about four-years-ago.
That's why we got the dog.
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Tosh
That is so childish ;D
It is ;D but he is funny with it.
I find some of the postings on here quite bizarre, Im well and truly in the L.J Thrope/Tosh camp. Its been said before, this is window-cleaning, it AINT rocket science.
It also seems some people on here think ABOUT window cleaning too much rather than just going out and DOING window cleaning.
Stop analysing and get on with it.
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typical like i said full of now it alls in the army thats why i left. we have a i know best situation were tosh knows best.
Tosh my spelling and english is not has good has yours but can we say the same about the business side and thats what were talking about.
3 years ive been cleaning windows and you can accept for your experience some one can be doing it better that you thats your crappy army mentallity use to bullying kids and licking asses to get were you get, well done that man!!!!
I've never bullied, nor licked ass; I can prove it too; here's an extract from my 'Red Book' (I've blanked out certain bits I don't want made public knowledge for my own personal reasons; nothing bad; just 'aw shucks' embarrassing).
I've also got a lovely thankyou letter published in soldier mag, to ME, from a private soldier thanking me publically for all the help I gave him and his family when he was going through a tough time with a terminally sick child and a wife suffering with cancer. I can post a copy of that up if you wish too.
Right, prove to me you're such a high flyer. E-mail me a copy of your last tax return.
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Ronnie,
I've got to go to the pictures now, but my e-mail is toshisba@yahoo.co.uk.
E-mail me your tax return and if it is of such a high-flying nature, I'll publically apologise and shut up; but I'm tired of all the waffle I've been reading recently about earnings.
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Taxable profit? What does that mean - you didn't pay any tax?
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Ewan
In a previous thread you were talking about charging £125 for 1 hours work (or 3 hours work if you included ‘quote time’ and traveling time !!!).
You ‘more or less’ said that anyone charging less didn’t know how to run a business.
I’m surprised you had ‘no taxable profit’ in your second year when you claim to ‘know the true cost’ and therefore charge accordingly!
Even at a ‘lowly’ £30 per hour – if you worked only 5 hours a day, for only 4 days a week, for 50 weeks you would have earned £30,000.
To not have any ‘taxable profit’ out of that, you must have had some whopping Capital Expenditure, Daily Running Costs/Maintenance Costs and Vehicle Costs
Mike
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My thoughts too. Probably spending too much time on here and not earning money.
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Ewan
You have made some good points in earlier threads but I think that you have got ‘under the skin’ of some people by ‘telling’ them how they should be running their business when you have only been running yours for about 18 months.
A lot of people may not be realising their ‘full’ potential (I might be one of them) but are quite happy with their way of life.
Others will pick up on any good ideas/suggestions and become that bit wealthier (but not necessarily happier).
Everybody has different ‘goals’ in life and not everybody wants to be a millionaire.
Even new starters can have good ideas that ‘old hands’ will take on board – but suggestions should be ‘offered’ not rammed down people’s throat.
Good luck in Year 3.
Mike
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Ewan, you have lost me completely on this one, if you put everthing you ever earned back into your business then how have you lived? Do you have a partner with a huge income or do you live at home with mum? To talk anout not making a profit untill year three then your ideas are hardly good advice to the majority.
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Do we really need this.
I have now deleted all the insulting posts
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