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Title: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: geefree on November 10, 2008, 06:02:14 pm
Well,
My First day out  with my Diy Pole kindly put together by Tosh's instructions and help on this forum.

Well, my day started wet, and it felt different not to just whip my pole from the holder inside the van,

but here goes... whipped it together in the first customers garden,

first thing i noticed was how light it was.. i could walk with it  horizontally , holding in with finger and thumb if i had to.

started to clean upstairs windows... had to learn, how to not use any strength, as it was so light... done the upstairs in a flash...

I then whipped the top section off, which is connected to the brush... and cleaned downstairs with the smallest pole i have ever used...for downstairs ..brilliant !

I felt like i was working at 100 miles per hour, yet using very little effort..

so with that done, i started to pop each section inside each other to place back inside the van....

Then i thought ..Sod that!... and put them all in the van...together.... leaving the top section with the brush and hose attached.... to be put in last... so it did not tangle up...But i have a hook in the van .. and coiled the clear pole hose around this.

next job, detached bungalow.. awkward high wall round the back... so remembering what Tosh had said....

i took off the brush in a second and cleaned the window with just the brush....

a part of a house i had dreaded... had become easy!

I love the lightness of the pole... i have a few adjustments to make before i am completely satisfied.

1/  the bottom section kept popping out , as i had put the tape too high up.. which is designed to stop the pieces jamming together... i over did it.. was too loose.

2/ i have to get used to the hose being on the outside.... but i had used 40 ft of the stuff to try it out...(used from an old pole).. so it was in the way a little... and the on/off tap was miles from me sometimes.

3/ i will have to get used to putting the pole sections inside each other after each job... as it was.... i had to count the parts in the van , to make sure i had picked them all up

My firts impression of the pole is:
Its very light to use... lighter than any other pole

i was working much quicker once i got into it..and i really enjoyed it...

a little bit awkward to put together  as opposed to whipping my other poles out and connecting up, and away...

but for £40 a great every day pole which i will use again tomorrow and until i get use to it...

incidently... i dropped one section , and i thought,, by the sound of it.. that it had cracked.

it hadnt.. but it may.

but if it lasts me six month i will be very happy.

All in all... i enjoyed it.. my arms dont feel like they have been out to work today...
i have not once grimaced or strained trying to push a heavier pole into an awkward spot... because it was so light... no was effort needed.

There will be teething problems which i have listed...

but thats all they are.

would be interesting to know who else uses these poles, and their comments.

Roll on tomorrow.  :D ;)
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: geefree on November 10, 2008, 07:25:13 pm
 ::)
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Paul Coleman on November 10, 2008, 07:29:07 pm
Showoff !!  :)
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: NWH on November 10, 2008, 07:33:56 pm
With an SL2 you will get all of the above advantages but with a much stronger product.
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: dmlservices on November 10, 2008, 07:42:36 pm
has anybody tried 4mm id algarde hose with their modulars, much lighter than normal pole hose, with the advatage that you can fold hose over to stop / start flow .

used this on my first pole( 30 ft unger tele pole ) and it worked very well,

just a thought  ;)


daz
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: geefree on November 10, 2008, 07:43:34 pm
maybe ,,, but £40 ???  ;D
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: groundhog on November 10, 2008, 07:59:08 pm
Sounds good I may give it a go myself, how high can this pole reach?  :)
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: geefree on November 10, 2008, 08:33:54 pm
max raech , for me with this pole is around 25ft i would say... uncluding body and arms. ;D
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: matt on November 10, 2008, 09:04:44 pm

but if it lasts me six month i will be very happy.



would be interesting to know who else uses these poles, and their comments.




i said i would be happy with 3 months use, its now over 1 year old and still going strong

its the only pole i use now, after a few days of getting used to modular its a great pole and for 40 quid , what more can you ask
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: matthewstanley on November 10, 2008, 10:03:11 pm
I wouldn't use anything else for day-to-day residential work - been using mine for a year now and it's brilliant  8)
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Tosh on November 11, 2008, 08:43:06 am
Gazza,

I'm pleased you like it - whew - but you were tough work!  ;D

I love it; it's one of those rare occasions where you buy cheap and your end product far far exceeds your level of expectation.

In fact it's so easy to use, don't you feel like you're 'cheating'?  Window cleaning really shouldn't be so comfortable!

I also find I'm working quicker; definately - using less water; maybe - but it's a hell-'uv-a-lot easier.

Have a good day!
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Chris Galloway on November 11, 2008, 09:25:21 am
and the on/off tap was miles from me sometimes.

Trick i found was to bend over the waterfed hose to stop the flow. it doesn;t affect the hose and is great for a quick stop of water flow if you dont use a trigger.
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Tosh on November 11, 2008, 04:33:23 pm
With an SL2 you will get all of the above advantages but with a much stronger product.

NWH,

I agree, but you get it at a much higher price too; what Jeff B and Matt have made (and I copied) was a cheap lightweight pole that you can bang-about on your routine everyday domestic work.  And if it gets stamped on or crushed, you're not going to be forking out £50/£60 a time for a replacement section if it's beyoned repair; and there's no fannying about; it literally takes fifteen minutes to do.

With regards to cheap lightweight modular poles, a poster called Wayne T put up a top post on another forum; I hope he doesn't mind me using part of it; but I think this explains it better than I could.

Post By Wayne Thomas from another forum (I've edited out bits that were to do with the Bentley Brush, but this guy obviously knows his stuff if you read his posts):
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Thankfully Alex persued the SL range and came up with the SL-2. It's the ideal lightweight pole for working at height combining strength and rigidity whilst keeping the weight to a minimum.

I agree with Jeff & Tosh about using lightweight modular cheap poles for some residential work as opposed to telescopics. For the last 2 weeks I've been using an Emporium cheap modular, SL-2 and an Xtel hybrid pole.

Using the cheap modular pole for low work gets you thinking and planning ahead as you're window cleaning whereas with telescopics you just switch off.

The speed and ease of jobs improve vastly. It feels surreal for the first 10 mins converting from a telescopic pole to a modular and it feels like you're cheating yourself workwise because it's so easy and so little strain on the body.

Do I need to explain further?  Save your SL2 for your high work; even the manufacturers say they don't recommend it for every-day residential use (though they do qualify this by saying that some of their sub-contractors and customers swear by it).

I don't want this post to be a manufacturer versus DIY post; that wouldn't be helpfull to anyone.

I just want to show that there's a top budget pole you can easily make that's lightweight and good quality.
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: matt on November 11, 2008, 06:27:43 pm
the thing is tosh

some people will never try it, as it doesnt cost loads of money, its not even
possible it can work and work well
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy) on November 11, 2008, 07:45:19 pm
there will always be room for both in my opinion.....the big guys spend thousands buying and maintaining their gear and that has certain tax advantages etc so the suppliers need not worry for now, and the newbies and those on a budget get the benefit of people like tosh and jeff's experience when it comes to getting started as cheaply as possible......when peter announced his new clampless pole i was among the first to try it and source the base materials such as skyblues telescopic flagpole and i adapted it for diy use.....and it is now all the rage up here in scotland and is rated among the best domestic poles you can get....and considering you can make one up for around 25 quid its hard to beat......but as i say, the suppliers neednt worry there is always going to be the big purchaser that wants to buy the most expensive to offset his tax bill ;).
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: gsw on November 11, 2008, 08:24:26 pm
how about a picture of the pole with a couple of sections and brush setup gazza?

greg
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Wayne Thomas on November 11, 2008, 08:42:58 pm
Three main advantges with a cheap emporium pole or some other DIY poles.
* it's cheap
* it's less fragile on ends than a SL-2 and it will withstand more knocks from accidentally hitting the ground and being thrown around in general.
* it comes in three foot sections which makes it ideal for working on low domestic work within confined spaces.


In time there may be a viable, commercial, market for cheap, throw away modular poles. Perhaps at a later date, Gardiner pole systems may develop a shorter version of their brilliant SL-2 pole in shorter lengths (ideally 3-4ft sections) up to 22ft but strengthen the pole using a cheap carbon glass composite to keep price to a minimum whilst maximising strength. The pole wouldn't need to be as rigid, just stronger to withstand more abuse from heavy handed window cleaners.
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Trotsky on November 11, 2008, 08:45:04 pm
how about a picture of the pole with a couple of sections and brush setup gazza?

greg
Yes I am intrigued any chance of a utube vid?
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Wayne Thomas on November 11, 2008, 08:53:02 pm
Just a tip, emporium pole has 6 x 3ft sections. If I need to use it higher the No.3 section of SL-2 fits nicely on the end of it to extend it further for the odd frustrating higher window or two.
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: s.hughes on November 11, 2008, 09:09:19 pm
Has any1 got a link to where I can see this pole?
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: geefree on November 11, 2008, 09:14:12 pm
www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=63920.0;all

Take a look at tosh,s photos halfway down.
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Tosh on November 11, 2008, 09:47:49 pm
Here's the pic, it's not a great one; it looks just like a WFP leant up against a house!

The pole itself only cost £20 though; and it's stiff and lightweight and can take a bit of abuse.
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Tosh on November 11, 2008, 10:13:21 pm
And here's a pic of my DIY Gangster pole, though it doesn't seem as robust as my DIY Zensorflex.

I've increased the length of the Gangster with a section of my Zenzorflex giving me just over 27 foot; I measured it (I bet this makes no sense to anyone who hasn't been following the DIY pole posts  ;D), but it'll more than do for all my three-story work; I've nothing 'extreme'; no 'mad angles', so I'm more than happy with it.

I know it's not a good pic, but it gives an impression of the length.



Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: geefree on November 11, 2008, 11:47:16 pm
Well,

second day with the pole.... finding it easier and easier...

Today.. out of the van first call... turned the pump on, pulled the hose into the back garden.... carried my sections down......

popped my first section together... oops wrong end!! it disappeared down the pole....

So i laughed, started again.. pushed the pole up to the window, and caught the pole hose around my neck.... i thought .... here we go... one of those days....

thinking to myself... if i had used my normal pole i would have done upstairs by now!!!!

whipped top section off , did downstairs.... same round the back... and gone in a flash.... ;D

next house... no problems... got used to the hose, and how many sections to take on /off......

Ans thats how it carried on all day.....

i LOVED THE POLE, ..I think i have mastered the pole now.... and today was a breeze... very quick, very light....

But most of all....... i dont feel like i have done any work today... ;) ;D

Great pole. :)

Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: geefree on November 11, 2008, 11:48:24 pm
i will try and do a video... but still cant find the lead to pc.

but will try. ;)
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Chris Galloway on November 12, 2008, 12:08:04 am
I know im lazy and i could search, but to those in the know can you post up links to the best threads on this DIY pole.

Also, whats the DIY forum? email me as we cant talk about other forums..check profile for addy.

I cant afford a SL-X yet (even if they wer in stock) so would like to make a cheap pole i can work with. From the look of the pic's on this thread, they look rather snazzy! and must be much easier to work with than my glass fibre..

Im sorry im slow to this... i should pay much more attention to you guys!  :-[
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: geefree on November 12, 2008, 12:25:12 am
I have an  ionics 40ft fibre glass, which i started with 2 years ago... i did every single job with it...... upstairs and downstairs....

my arms were dropping off... even after i had taken a section off...

I have used an Extel... and still do. and i find that light....

But after using the DIY pole today, i got my extel out to use on a con roof..... and it felt ..heavy!!!

but i like the extel.. and i will get another one.

But the fishing pole is so light...... if you had enough pressure on the upstairs windows... you could do the pushing up and down with one finger.

you can walk with it in one hand... with the pole fully out... horizontal... without any strain.... or any bounce in the pole...

i never fancied one... i didnt fancy the hose outside the pole...

nor the putting the sections together.

But its been my second day... im getting used to the teething problems...

but they will go..... and they are far out weighed by , how light it is... it really is a pleasure to work.. i was a lot quicker today on all my houses... even more now...

and i dont feel tired, or i dont ache... and i simply do not feel like i have been out to work
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: s.hughes on November 12, 2008, 06:52:29 am
I'm gonna give it a go
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Jeff Brimble on November 12, 2008, 06:59:54 am
 :) ;) 8)
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Chris Galloway on November 12, 2008, 09:40:23 am
I'm gonna give it a go

Yup me too just ordered 2 zensorflex poles. (incase i need spares if i stuff it up or something else happens whilst making it)

Gonna get the angle adaptors and a new lightweight brush head from Gardiners (if they have any in stock?)

Im joining the fishing pole revolution!!  :-*

What i need to know, is the best supplier for the brush head hose (preferably black) and a hozelock fixing for it, as these wer not included on the original challenge post.
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Moderator David@stives on November 12, 2008, 10:00:13 am
No doubting it doesnt work well, but i run a bussiness, my job is to manage and not to make my own tools.##Nothing wrong with those that do though although if you put the same effort into marketing you would be better off.
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: matt on November 12, 2008, 10:53:36 am
Well,



popped my first section together... oops wrong end!! it disappeared down the pole....




this is why you should use ELECTRICAINS INSULATION TAPE for the stops and the ends, then you can colour code them, this blue goes to blue and brown to brown in my case

job done ;) makes it faster aswell
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: matt on November 12, 2008, 10:54:21 am
No doubting it doesnt work well, but i run a bussiness, my job is to manage and not to make my own tools.##Nothing wrong with those that do though although if you put the same effort into marketing you would be better off.

its the lightness that is the issue, its easier to work with ( for you or your guys ) thus you get more done
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: matt on November 12, 2008, 10:55:07 am


Also, whats the DIY forum? email me as we cant talk about other forums..check profile for addy.




<-------------- e.mail me for a link  ;)
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Trotsky on November 12, 2008, 11:31:30 am
 :( Surely someone could do a video...
I just cant understand the putting the pole together/taking apart bit seems long winded!
Do you have to stop adjust height (take pole off/ put one on) in windows are different height?
Isn't this more time consuming?
I just undo a clamp and slide then do the clamp back up!
No hose dangling... is it just me?
I know some might say I'm thick but, can I see it in action?

I am not knocking diy, I do it myself (done the harris pole!)
I have done a fishing pole... but obviously not rightly!  :(
Video please!!!


Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Tosh on November 12, 2008, 03:41:49 pm
No doubting it doesnt work well, but i run a bussiness, my job is to manage and not to make my own tools.##Nothing wrong with those that do though although if you put the same effort into marketing you would be better off.

Is this the same person - who I met at the Birmingham NEC - who gave one of my mates a dig because he spent £X amount of money on an off-the-shelf product, but you called it a 'fishing pole'?

I'm sure it was!

Dave, it takes fifteen minutes to do; no more.  You just cut the end off, stick an adapter on (available from Emporium) and do two turns of tape on each of the sections.  Job done.

Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Tosh on November 12, 2008, 04:40:47 pm
although if you put the same effort into marketing you would be better off.

Dave, this post has rankled me for some reason; maybe it sounds too off-the-cuff and arrogant.

I'm just trying to help, so why don't you do the same?

Why not start a new post helping us to market ourselves better?

You could title it, 'How to market yourself in fifteen minutes for £20'! 
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Chris Galloway on November 12, 2008, 04:56:04 pm
although if you put the same effort into marketing you would be better off.

Dave, this post has rankled me for some reason; maybe it sounds too off-the-cuff and arrogant.

I'm just trying to help, so why don't you do the same?

Why not start a new post helping us to market ourselves better?

You could title it, 'How to market yourself in fifteen minutes for £20'! 

Now that would be worth a read :D
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: geefree on November 12, 2008, 04:59:00 pm

My thoughts too.

I run a small busines too, my job is also to manage, and make sure that " I " perform as well as i can do.

so i am trying all things which i think may help my business and me, as well as putting lots of effort into marketting, which i do... i also find if you can do certain things yourself, like make a diy pole, much much cheaper.. then that too is helping my business grow.

I manage my home, but sometimes it is easier to do things myself, ratherthan pay someone to do it.

Bit of diy will always save money....

if i had ten men...i would also have ten diy poles... as well as others....

for everyday... or for back up.

Speculate, be adaptable... and accumalate.

Another good point regarding diy poles, is they are very affordable for people starting out, with limited funds... who are out there marketting , trying to drum up new business... and as yet .. cannot afford a £350 pole.



Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Paul Coleman on November 12, 2008, 05:01:28 pm
although if you put the same effort into marketing you would be better off.

Dave, this post has rankled me for some reason; maybe it sounds too off-the-cuff and arrogant.

I'm just trying to help, so why don't you do the same?

Why not start a new post helping us to market ourselves better?

You could title it, 'How to market yourself in fifteen minutes for £20'! 

What's up Tosh?  Didn't he pay out on THAT bet?  :)
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: matt on November 12, 2008, 05:17:09 pm
once again

some people will allways belive to spend little money and 15 mins of your time will not be as good as phoning alex and buying a pole from him
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: geefree on November 12, 2008, 05:19:05 pm
once again

some people will allways belive to spend little money and 15 mins of your time will not be as good as phoning alex and buying a pole from him

you would think they would be impressed wouldnt you?...

some people have forgotten whats its like to start out with no money.
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: geefree on November 12, 2008, 05:21:36 pm
Third day...

excellent...  getting so used to it now.... did over a couple of con roofs today... easy....

then simply took the top section off and whoooooooosh.... consrervatory done in no time...

Loving it  ;D
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: elite mike on November 12, 2008, 05:26:06 pm
although if you put the same effort into marketing you would be better off.

Dave, this post has rankled me for some reason; maybe it sounds too off-the-cuff and arrogant.

I'm just trying to help, so why don't you do the same?

Why not start a new post helping us to market ourselves better?

You could title it, 'How to market yourself in fifteen minutes for £20'! 

What's up Tosh?  Didn't he pay out on THAT bet?  :)

apparentley not ;D ;D :o
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: matt on November 12, 2008, 05:27:11 pm
once again

some people will allways belive to spend little money and 15 mins of your time will not be as good as phoning alex and buying a pole from him

you would think they would be impressed wouldnt you?...

some people have forgotten whats its like to start out with no money.

the thing is though, its not about money, its about ease of use ( lightness )

the point about the money is they think becasue its cheap, it will not be that good
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: geefree on November 12, 2008, 05:32:39 pm
thats why i said .. you would think people would be impressed.  ;)
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Bobs Window Cleaning on November 12, 2008, 05:40:35 pm
What do u do with the extra sections you need to reach over the conservatories and the 3rd story windows?

Am I correct in thinking  that u end up with lots of little sections scattered around the property when not using them.

Bob
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Tosh on November 12, 2008, 05:50:22 pm
although if you put the same effort into marketing you would be better off.

Dave, this post has rankled me for some reason; maybe it sounds too off-the-cuff and arrogant.

I'm just trying to help, so why don't you do the same?

Why not start a new post helping us to market ourselves better?

You could title it, 'How to market yourself in fifteen minutes for £20'! 

What's up Tosh?  Didn't he pay out on THAT bet?  :)

That was funny; you were there, sat close to the bar and  laughing like a hyena, I remember.

Dave would've coughed-up, but as you well know, I would've been a 'bad un' if I accepted the money; it would've been like robbing sweets from a toddler.  You can't really hold someone to a £100 bet just because they've drank too much and are over-confident over something daft.

Thinking back, I should've made him donate it to a charity of my choice!  ;D

Shiner (Paul) when you get the chance, have a go at this DIY pole; you'll love it.  You're a big guy, but you're not getting any younger (neither am I), and I'm sure this pole will give you less chance of getting a repetitive stress injury; and you'll 'enjoy' doing all the hefty pole jobs that you may not look forward to doing now.

I don't think it's perfect; I think a Facelift would suit my needs, but I'm too tight to splash out on one; so even if this pole is second best to the 'best' it's worth it because of its price-tag.  

Try it.  Trust me.
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: geefree on November 12, 2008, 05:54:46 pm
depended on height of house, some bedroom windows are higher than others etc...

i fully extend it in the back garden.. do all upstairs..... drop the pole on the grasss...(its very very light),, take the top section off.... and you have a nice small section still attached to brush to whip round ground floor.... and because its so light...

your arms go at 100 miles per hour,


so, basically... i take a look at the height from the van, and may leave the bottom section in the van....

and if you dont  fancy walking all the way round with the pole in the air etc.... just pop it in half, put a section under your arm... and pop it back on when you get to the front etc.
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Moderator David@stives on November 12, 2008, 05:56:58 pm
OOPs

I seem to have stirred up an hornets nest here, didnt mean to.
I was just responding to Matts post which sounded a little off the cuff and arrogant too



Quote
some people will never try it, as it doesnt cost loads of money, its not even
possible it can work and work well


All I was saying is my head hurts bad enough without giving any brain power to making my own tools, i admit i bought a £20 pole a couple of years back and it is stood in the garage waiting for attention, probably still be there in another 2 years.


I would much rather put that time and effort into finding more jobs.


Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Bobs Window Cleaning on November 12, 2008, 05:57:55 pm
Cheers Gazzasp8
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Moderator David@stives on November 12, 2008, 06:03:03 pm
Tosh

Cant you remember Paul was sat on our table.

Anyway i offered to send you the money, give me your address and i will post it.


Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Paul Coleman on November 12, 2008, 06:10:20 pm
although if you put the same effort into marketing you would be better off.

Dave, this post has rankled me for some reason; maybe it sounds too off-the-cuff and arrogant.

I'm just trying to help, so why don't you do the same?

Why not start a new post helping us to market ourselves better?

You could title it, 'How to market yourself in fifteen minutes for £20'! 

What's up Tosh?  Didn't he pay out on THAT bet?  :)

That was funny; you were there, sat close to the bar and  laughing like a hyena, I remember.

Dave would've coughed-up, but as you well know, I would've been a 'bad un' if I accepted the money; it would've been like robbing sweets from a toddler.  You can't really hold someone to a £100 bet just because they've drank too much and are over-confident over something daft.

Thinking back, I should've made him donate it to a charity of my choice!  ;D

Shiner (Paul) when you get the chance, have a go at this DIY pole; you'll love it.  You're a big guy, but you're not getting any younger (neither am I), and I'm sure this pole will give you less chance of getting a repetitive stress injury; and you'll 'enjoy' doing all the hefty pole jobs that you may not look forward to doing now.

I don't think it's perfect; I think a Facelift would suit my needs, but I'm too tight to splash out on one; so even if this pole is second best to the 'best' it's worth it because of its price-tag.  

Try it.  Trust me.

Tosh.  I will try it early next year.  Just trying to juggle so many balls at the moment that I need to organise myself a lot better first.  I'm using a nice light pole already (SLX) so there's no urgency for me.  Also, for very high stuff I can get the SL2 out.  Having one of those Zensortosh poles could save a lot of wear on the more expensive stuff.
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: matt on November 12, 2008, 06:11:19 pm
OOPs

I seem to have stirred up an hornets nest here, didnt mean to.
I was just responding to Matts post which sounded a little off the cuff and arrogant too



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some people will never try it, as it doesnt cost loads of money, its not even
possible it can work and work well


All I was saying is my head hurts bad enough without giving any brain power to making my own tools, i admit i bought a £20 pole a couple of years back and it is stood in the garage waiting for attention, probably still be there in another 2 years.


I would much rather put that time and effort into finding more jobs.




it wasnt meant to sound  arrogant, but i honestly belive, people think " its only 20 quid, it will not last long, it will not be up to the job, it looks rubbish " now i have heard all 3 of them about the pole, and all are wrong

but if some1 put a tag on it from i will use for example alex did ( only as a example ) charged 50 quid for it, people would look at it and think, WOW thats so light, i must try it

mine sat in my garage for over 1 year, afterall i had my unger ali pole which worked very well, its not intill you try it, you realise the lightness of it and thats what makes it great, now the plus side is of course its cheap as chips and when you put the 2 together it must be worth a try
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: matt on November 12, 2008, 06:12:53 pm
although if you put the same effort into marketing you would be better off.

Dave, this post has rankled me for some reason; maybe it sounds too off-the-cuff and arrogant.

I'm just trying to help, so why don't you do the same?

Why not start a new post helping us to market ourselves better?

You could title it, 'How to market yourself in fifteen minutes for £20'! 

What's up Tosh?  Didn't he pay out on THAT bet?  :)

That was funny; you were there, sat close to the bar and  laughing like a hyena, I remember.

Dave would've coughed-up, but as you well know, I would've been a 'bad un' if I accepted the money; it would've been like robbing sweets from a toddler.  You can't really hold someone to a £100 bet just because they've drank too much and are over-confident over something daft.

Thinking back, I should've made him donate it to a charity of my choice!  ;D

Shiner (Paul) when you get the chance, have a go at this DIY pole; you'll love it.  You're a big guy, but you're not getting any younger (neither am I), and I'm sure this pole will give you less chance of getting a repetitive stress injury; and you'll 'enjoy' doing all the hefty pole jobs that you may not look forward to doing now.

I don't think it's perfect; I think a Facelift would suit my needs, but I'm too tight to splash out on one; so even if this pole is second best to the 'best' it's worth it because of its price-tag. 

Try it.  Trust me.

 I'm using a nice light pole already (SLX) so there's no urgency for me.

honestly, ive tried the SLX, if you think thats a nice light pole, you havent tried the RT Z-flex  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Moderator David@stives on November 12, 2008, 06:15:54 pm
Matt

No problem,
Just using Toshs terminology, neither of us were being arrogant maybe a little ironic  ;D

 my post was no different to yours really.

Funny that but i would buy one off anyone for £50 as long as it was the 4ft 6 plus sections.

Do you want to sell me one , cash waiting



Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Tosh on November 12, 2008, 06:23:35 pm
Tosh
Anyway i offered to send you the money, give me your address and i will post it.

C'mon, Dave, you know me better than that; you know I don't want the money and I'm just winding-you-up.  ;D

That's got to be about two-nil-in-Tosh's-favour, and you know I'll never let you forget it; I'm like that. ;D


Having one of those Zensortosh poles could save a lot of wear on the more expensive stuff.

Exactly!  That's what I've been saying to you rich guys who can afford the off-the-shelf-stuff.

It's not second best either; not for routine two-story work.  I had another 'go' of Squeaky's pole this afternoon; he cleans one of my neighbor's houses, and I 'caught him' when I returned home.

His off-the shelf-pole is definately better, but the difference is much less noticiable at lower heights.


Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Tosh on November 12, 2008, 06:49:10 pm
Funny that but i would buy one off anyone for £50 as long as it was the 4ft 6 plus sections.

Do you want to sell me one , cash waiting


No, we're not suppliers; it's so easy to sort out that I'm worried about you (is everything okay?), but I'm interested as to why you want '4 foot six inch sections'?

Why that size?

The Zensorflex has 3 foot sections, which when I first got mine, I thought they were far too short; only because I'd seen Ian_Giles's 'off-the-shelf' poles which were a lot longer.

But having used the Zensorflex; the short sections are ideal.  On about three occassions today I could remove a bottom 3 foot sections because a wall or a bush was behind me, and the pole was still comfortable to use.

It's not like you have to undo every section before you put the pole away; I put my pole into my estate car in two sections, an eight and a seven foot section.  So I just take them both out and put them together.

Easy!
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: Moderator David@stives on November 12, 2008, 07:02:09 pm
Tosh

Like i said earlier, time is better spent elsewhere, than hunting round for tools etc, far easier if i could just buy one.

I have spent the last few years cobbling things together and dont want to do it no more, even the thought of refitting one of the vans this week fills me with dread, i have so many other things business wise i would much rather be doing.

Even the thought of having to clean another window makes me fill ill.

Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: s.hughes on November 12, 2008, 08:59:29 pm
I am going to order the pole but I will wait a while as VAT is coming down and when it does my order will go in and by then they should have some in stock
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: geefree on November 12, 2008, 09:20:05 pm
Well,



popped my first section together... oops wrong end!! it disappeared down the pole....




this is why you should use ELECTRICAINS INSULATION TAPE for the stops and the ends, then you can colour code them, this blue goes to blue and brown to brown in my case

job done ;) makes it faster aswell

good idea .. thanks
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: dai on November 12, 2008, 09:36:29 pm
My senzorflex has sat in the van for months, I'll have to give it another try.
The Harris is such a handy pole though, and very light too.
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: jodan63 on November 13, 2008, 11:36:08 am
just a quick idea, dont know if it has been mentioned. if you visit a fishing tackle shop  or even go inline. you should be able to buy "bungs" for the male sections of the pole, which allows the female section to slide on easier , without cracking/splintering the wall of the pole .i remember fishing and it made it alot easier to take apart and assemble.  :)
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: geefree on November 14, 2008, 05:36:22 pm
just a quick idea, dont know if it has been mentioned. if you visit a fishing tackle shop or even go inline. you should be able to buy "bungs" for the male sections of the pole, which allows the female section to slide on easier , without cracking/splintering the wall of the pole .i remember fishing and it made it alot easier to take apart and assemble. :)

Thanks for that ... are these the ones.?

www.castaway-tackle.co.uk/1189/Preston-Innovations-Pole-End-Protectors.html
Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: geefree on November 14, 2008, 05:46:02 pm
Hi Tosh....

i really am enjoying the pole.... one little thing though....

the male end looks quite fragile ,on each section.....  like it could split...do you use anything , or  maybe not as it would not slot in the female ..... oh well i will just have to be careful.

oh , i think you can buy a protector spray for the fishing poles... just remembered..

will check it out. ;)

Title: Re: TOSH....WORKING WITH MY NEW POLE.... (Under £40)
Post by: matt on November 14, 2008, 08:06:53 pm
Hi Tosh....

i really am enjoying the pole.... one little thing though....

the male end looks quite fragile ,on each section.....  like it could split...do you use anything , or  maybe not as it would not slot in the female ..... oh well i will just have to be careful.

oh , i think you can buy a protector spray for the fishing poles... just remembered..

will check it out. ;)



they do wear and split, i just rub some glue on them when it happens ( at night of course ) it seems to seal and join the splits fairly well