Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: geefree on November 08, 2008, 04:50:52 pm
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Hi. got the pole up and running with Tosh,s instructions...
just been out practicing.. its brilliant.... i love it..
but i must say i have taken it down and am having another look... as i feel i have put it together , not quite right.
1/... if i put tape around the male end ... it does not fit in the female end.
2/ so i turn everthing the other way... put tape around .. and the first 3 sections are fine... ( though i have only put one strip around , or it still dont fit inside)...
but the top section.. thinnest.... nearly loses itself inside the rest... losing lots of length... plus there is a gap between the two sections.... which i can see right down the pole thru......if i turn it the other way its even thinner.
its as if i have a section missing.
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You get what you pay for , with window cleaners claiming they can earn £30+ per hour . Spend some money and buy a proper pole
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which way would they over lap?..... with the pole stood up.... i have got it where the top of the bottom section is the female
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You get what you pay for , with window cleaners claiming they can earn £30+ per hour . Spend some money and buy a proper pole
i have proper poles... we are experiimenting....
what does that mean.....????? is that Joanah
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being an ex fisherman . iassume u have a take apart pole? if so ,if you look at the sections they shud be tapered. cant understand how u cant fit them together ,its common sense surely ???
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is that Joanah
god i hope not :o
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Normally the top is the male then the next section would sit over it.Gravity would pull the joints a little tighter but they should never slide more than about five inches into the joint. You should be able to use it with no tape at all but eventually you may get a jam.
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Normally the top is the male then the next section would sit over it.Gravity would pull the joints a little tighter but they should never slide more than about five inches into the joint. You should be able to use it with no tape at all but eventually you may get a jam.
thanks for that... glad someone understood what i meant.... they can be tapered either way.
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This tape is purely to stop the base of each section chipping
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Whereas this band stops the section going into the joint too tight if you see what i mean.
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Thats a Gangsta pole above, i do the same with my S2 just in case. ;)
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Thnks Ftp..... i will do that now.... on the locked post of the same name of Toshs, (which i wish he would open again as i have to search for it).......
the picture which shows the tape and foam etc.... well it looks as though there is wrappings and wrappings of gaffer tape around the male ends..... but i can only fit one strand around it , as it will not slot in otherwise..... strange... it looks very different to mine. ???
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Thats a Gangsta pole above, i do the same with my S2 just in case. ;)
ah.. the thick stuff looks like a hand grip.
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Try and post your pics.?
The tape i use is just black insulation tape. I don't really understand what Tosh has done but he'll be along to sort you out i'm sure.
Don't tape the taper - not the bit that actually goes inside the joint. Assemble the pole first and put the tape up to the join not over it or inside it.
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ok will do, thanks for the help... i cant find the blooming pc lead for the camera. ;)
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As i said the pole will work fine with no tape at all but eventually it may jam. The taper will go in a couple of millemetres too far one day and then they are buggers to get apart. It's something that often happens with modular poles i'm afraid, even the expensive ones.
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Thanks...i will tape it as much as i can.
Tosh, this is simply a continuation of the thread you started.
I will start the other.... after my first full day, working with the pole.
Cheers.
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Gazza,
I will take some pics tomorrow; some better ones; just to show you where the tape goes, if you haven't worked it out by them.
I'm still knocking windows shut with mine; and you can turn it upside down and push sash windows shut with it as well (as long as they're not too stiff (that's a Jeff B tip regurgitated by me; but you can; I've done it)).
I honestly won't use anyting else for routine domestic work from now on.
I seem to be working faster, using less water, and maybe earning more because I'll add on a job I wouldn't normally because of the novelty of using a really light and rigid pole; or because the pole is really light and rigid?
I hope you enjoy using it too; photos to follow tomorrow, with reference to the tape.
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Thanks Tosh,
i just have to put the tape at the very end, or it wont slot in...i will try photo tomorrow too...
i must admit i love it.... tho i cant get used to the hose hanging around me yet.. but i will. ;D
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i must admit i love it.... tho i cant get used to the hose hanging around me yet.. but i will. ;D
Gazza,
I thought exactly the same after I wore out my 18 foot Ionics telescopic pole; it was my first pole.
But an external pole hose has it's advantages; I promise.
Have you tried to extend a pole with internal pole hose and it's all twisted and won't fit through the hole at the bottom of your hose? That's a pain; and the friction of the hose passing through the pole as you extend it can make it more effort to lengthen the pole too; which mightn't sound much, but come Friday after a whole week of doing it again-and-again, day-in-day-out; it must add up to some calories burnt and sore shoulders.
But with a light-weight modular pole with an external pole hose, after cleaning the 'tops', you can just pop-off the section of the pole you don't require, lean it against the building, and crack on. It takes about two seconds; it takes longer to adjust the goose kneck to get the brush at the right angle for the ground floor work.
Not only that; for ground floor work when you're in a really tight-area, you can remove all the pole - quickly and easily - and still use the brush head; you can't do that with an internal hose pole.
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Having the hose outside means you can pop the brush off quickly. You new guys (hi y'all) are going to be smitten with the lightness of these things and gradually realise the height is no object.
In some ways the next progression to a cheap 29ft Gangster can be by passed by going straight to an F16 but £££ is the main issue and I do understand that. But having had some pain in the past I now put lightness on par with £££$$$ and use the F16 most of the time even for low 20-30ft work. It seems to be taking the daily stick being 3 1/2 years old and still going strong. In fact the Reload(gangster) is showing more signs of wear.
The manuf. cannot compete with the prices of the fishing poles as they are sold in their tens of thousands and there is no profit left for them
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Thanks again..
dont want to be negative at all... as i do like it...
so i wont whine about the things i think, may slow me down.....
i will just go for it and tell all next week. ;D
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Gazza, when I did mine I never intended the tape on the male section to fit into the female end.
The trick is to put the sections together as normal, then wrap the tape over the male section as a stop.
This prevents it from going in even further when in use and getting stuck.
The tape on the female section is as you said to stop the end from chipping.
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Ah.... Thanks.... at last i get it now. ;D ;)
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Gazza,
Do you still need those photos?
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No ... thank you... i think i got it now lol....
Those poles that emporium sell, are fishing poles right ?... how do they get round the jamming of sections?
they cant tape them up.. or do they simply sell them as they are.
;)
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Normally the top is the male then the next section would sit over it.Gravity would pull the joints a little tighter but they should never slide more than about five inches into the joint. You should be able to use it with no tape at all but eventually you may get a jam.
done that... but one slides into the other.. 3 to 4 inch maximum... thats without tape... so a little worried about strength... if i put the tape on and lose a couple of inch to protect from jamming.
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Normally the top is the male then the next section would sit over it.Gravity would pull the joints a little tighter but they should never slide more than about five inches into the joint. You should be able to use it with no tape at all but eventually you may get a jam.
done that... but one slides into the other.. 3 to 4 inch maximum... thats without tape... so a little worried about strength... if i put the tape on and lose a couple of inch to protect from jamming.
Gazza,
You're just trying to wind me up aren't you? ;D
Just put the pole together, and wind a couple of turns of gaffer tape around the male section; so the tape is JUST below the female section. Job done. No worries about strength; it's tough and robust and should feel so too.
Like Dai said (and he's old enough to be a bit senile):
The trick is to put the sections together as normal, then wrap the tape over the male section as a stop.
This prevents it from going in even further when in use and getting stuck.
If you have any further questions on this part; which should take no longer than 10 or 15 minutes and is really simple to do, e-mail me your address and I'll jump in the car and drive the 300 miles to your house and show you how it's done.
And you'll kick yourself; 'cos it's so easy.
Do you want photos? I'll run out and take them NOW if you're still unsure.
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lol...
its easy .. i know how to do it...
what i am saying is... the bottom section ok.... then the next section fits over this... and so on..... they slot together by 3 inches...only.... so if i put tape on as a stop...... to stop them sliding further i,n and jamming..
means that if i reduce the 3 inch or so of joint... it will be nearly apart. lol
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lol...
its easy .. i know how to do it...
what i am saying is... the bottom section ok.... then the next section fits over this... and so on..... they slot together by 3 inches...only.... so if i put tape on as a stop...... to stop them sliding further i,n and jamming..
means that if i reduce the 3 inch or so of joint... it will be nearly apart. lol
I still don't understand what you're saying exactly.
Just slide the poles into each other until they come to a comfortable fit. Then gaffer tape the male sections just below the female sections, so they can't slide any further and jam.
Gazza, you're really starting to worry me; have one of the manufacturers been in contact with you; offering you an off-the-shelf pole for free if you wind me up enough?
I'm going to have to drive up to your house; I am aren't I? :(
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they only join together by 3 to 4 inch honest... so if i use the tape to prevent them jamming.... that means im losing inches..... and i have only 3 inch to play with as it is.... i need to show you with a photo. ::) ;)
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Slide the poles together until firm then back off the top pole by say 1/4 -1/2" and then start wrapping the tape around not over the joint then whenyou push the pole tight again it will hit the new tape stop and be prevented from jamming/compacting further down each base section.
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Gazza,
this is a pic of my top sections of pole; I've stuck my hand in there to give it some perspective;...
All you need to do is gaffer tape round the area where my thumb is hiding under; you can see the gaffer tape that I put on; it's that that acts as a 'stop' for the female end.
If you can't understand it now; unless you've got defective poles; please consider another career; maybe in the army or something.
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ha ha .. mine is the same... only i dont seem to have the same gap... from the tape.. where your thumb is... to the end which slots inside the next section...
lol.. of course i understand... mine are tighter fitting.... so my tape will have to be halfway down your hand... ;)
thanks for the pic tosh on this horrid day....
oh by the way.... rather than cut 15 inches off the end..... i cut 1 ft off than wrapped gaffer tape around the end to fit the thread adaptor on...... fives me a around a foot longer and a perfect tight fit.
cheers Tosh... appreciate your help.