Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: drive surgeon on October 31, 2008, 08:21:51 pm
-
hi guys do you think it is worth buying a gutter vac like omni pole? i mainly do pressure washing but wanted more winter work? anyone got one and doing well out of this? :) thanks
-
does anyone use one and do well? :o :'(
-
where are you based surgeon ? cause i was thinking the same thing
-
yes yes and yes
-
Your website link isn't working Gordon
-
I think this answers the question www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=64136.0 (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=64136.0)
-
well make sure you see it in action which may be difficult if your not from down south, i had it on good authority from glyn h that he would sort out for some one to show me the machine in action up north but 2 months later and still nothing.
if im going to spend around2-3k i want to see this thing is has good has they say but if your up north they wont travel................a abit of a joke i think!!
-
Think there is a guy who has the set up in manchester.
-
well make sure you see it in action which may be difficult if your not from down south, i had it on good authority from glyn h that he would sort out for some one to show me the machine in action up north but 2 months later and still nothing.
if im going to spend around2-3k i want to see this thing is has good has they say but if your up north they wont travel................a abit of a joke i think!!
Just say you are going to build your own you'll get plenty of dialogue then. ;)
-
In response to the original question then i would say yes it's worth getting one if only to stop you clambering up and down ladders. They are pretty easy to use and judging by some of the posts on here can open up some very lucrative work. It's a bit like the wfp debate over traditional methods. Choice is yours and whether you think there is enough demand in your area, and do you have enough room to carry it all about plus generator?
-
Maybe a few of us in the NW could arrange a demo with Glyn, Myself, Ronnie P, Chris Archer and Mick Hay are all interested and probably more, so maybe worth a day up north Glyn ?
(And we'll let you try a Black Pudding ;D)
Wayne
-
Wayne maybe we could all put too and share the use of one, im sure we could all come to an agreement, less outlay and we can offer this very good service.
-
if im going to spend around2-3k i want to see this thing is has good has they say but if your up north they wont travel................a abit of a joke i think
To be totally honest we are very busy building wfp, Steam cleaning and pressure washer van mounts as well as gutter cleaning systems and we carry out several demos for prospective customers every day of the week at our workshops, customers travel from all over the UK and Ireland and very often from European Countries.
If we were to travel all over the Uk which we are often asked to do then we would need to be selling two guttervac systems a day from demos to cover vehicle, fuel, labour,hotel etc.costs (one sale wouldnt cover the costs) and m,ake a profit and as I am now in my mid 50s I dont want to be doing this, the alternative is we take on a salesman who would then pressurise people to buy which is not a method I would like for my company.
For the first three years making systems we used to travel all over to carry out demos, but often we would turn up and be expected to do the whole wfp job, in one case we cleaned a masive residential care home in the North East near the Scottish borders- we didnt hear any thing for six months when we were asked if we could come and do a demo again at the same residential care home - so that was the end of us traveling.
Be fair would you travel several hundred miles each way to provide a window cleaning demo and quote even if the job was worth a thousand pounds
-
I just took a day off work, got the train from sunny Birmingham down to London. Got a taxi from the local station to Omnipole for a fiver.
Had the demo, bit of lunch and went home on the train.
Thought about it and bought an Omnivac a couple of weeks later.
Manchester is only about another hour at most on the train to London. If you are thinking of spending a lot of money, why not just have a day off and get the train down there.
-
Well I meant to make a comment earlier but I am afraid I have been cleaning gutters for the last 6 days straight - all commercial and much more to do next week too.
Is buying a gutter vac worth it? was the original question and I would have to say it defiantly has been one of my better purchases - in fact most of my commercial window cleaning work is "farmed out" until I decide what to do next. My company is about to expand but "how" is the bit Im still sorting. The growth is because of the Omnivac and its marketing.
You will make far more money per hour with the Omnivac then you could with wfp - carpet cleaning - or pressure washing. How do I know? well I supply all of these services.
If you already have a commercial client base adding on gutter clearing services is a doddle, but even if you dont, selling the Omnivac over the alternatives is a complete no brainer and people will bite your arm off.
I currently have a three month waiting list (hoping to resolve that very soon) and regular gutter cleaning contracts spanning the next 7 years!!!!!
I would like also like to make the comment that if you wan't to see one in action then make the effort. A day off to visit Omnipole is just the beginning to unlocking your potential earnings. Sit at home wishing Omnipole would visit you is just plain silly. If you want to buy a specialised car you would travel, so why not to see a specialised bit of kit that will make you money??? Did your wfp supplier visit you at home before you decided on which pole to buy? I think not ;)
So in summary its more than worth it ;)
-
if im going to spend around2-3k i want to see this thing is has good has they say but if your up north they wont travel................a abit of a joke i think
To be totally honest we are very busy building wfp, Steam cleaning and pressure washer van mounts as well as gutter cleaning systems and we carry out several demos for prospective customers every day of the week at our workshops, customers travel from all over the UK and Ireland and very often from European Countries.
If we were to travel all over the Uk which we are often asked to do then we would need to be selling two guttervac systems a day from demos to cover vehicle, fuel, labour,hotel etc.costs (one sale wouldnt cover the costs) and m,ake a profit and as I am now in my mid 50s I dont want to be doing this, the alternative is we take on a salesman who would then pressurise people to buy which is not a method I would like for my company.
For the first three years making systems we used to travel all over to carry out demos, but often we would turn up and be expected to do the whole wfp job, in one case we cleaned a masive residential care home in the North East near the Scottish borders- we didnt hear any thing for six months when we were asked if we could come and do a demo again at the same residential care home - so that was the end of us traveling.
Be fair would you travel several hundred miles each way to provide a window cleaning demo and quote even if the job was worth a thousand pounds
Some fair comments but you your self promised to get it sorted on another post on here which was only about 4 weeks ago so why the big change of heart?? i wouldnt promise something ic ouldnt keep ....not good business.
I would say if you did a demo for 4 or 5 would it be worth it............ like in all businesses its word of mouth if you come up did a demo and sold a couple when we were uding them we would say were got them from and hey presto that leads to more sales.
The very least you could do is ask some one you have sold one to locally to let us see it in action for say a small return.
The answer to your questiom is if the job was worth a couple of K i would do the quote and sub it out not say one thing and do another!!
Back to you..........................
-
\Glyn if you want me to demo these units call me on 07788 732 789 and I will have a chat with you
-
I currently have a three month waiting list (hoping to resolve that very soon) and regular gutter cleaning contracts spanning the next 7 years!!!!!
kevin
how many staff do u have?
jerry
-
At the moment I have no staff on the books- however I have four sub-contractors I use and a very regular basis. I am looking to employ very soon to cut my costs - but I am still working my way through the costs etc of having permanent staff.
-
kevin
where r u based?
Jerry
-
kevin
where r u based?
Jerry
Near Exeter
-
Well I meant to make a comment earlier but I am afraid I have been cleaning gutters for the last 6 days straight - all commercial and much more to do next week too.
Is buying a gutter vac worth it? was the original question and I would have to say it defiantly has been one of my better purchases - in fact most of my commercial window cleaning work is "farmed out" until I decide what to do next. My company is about to expand but "how" is the bit Im still sorting. The growth is because of the Omnivac and its marketing.
You will make far more money per hour with the Omnivac then you could with wfp - carpet cleaning - or pressure washing. How do I know? well I supply all of these services.
If you already have a commercial client base adding on gutter clearing services is a doddle, but even if you dont, selling the Omnivac over the alternatives is a complete no brainer and people will bite your arm off.
I currently have a three month waiting list (hoping to resolve that very soon) and regular gutter cleaning contracts spanning the next 7 years!!!!!
I would like also like to make the comment that if you wan't to see one in action then make the effort. A day off to visit Omnipole is just the beginning to unlocking your potential earnings. Sit at home wishing Omnipole would visit you is just plain silly. If you want to buy a specialised car you would travel, so why not to see a specialised bit of kit that will make you money??? Did your wfp supplier visit you at home before you decided on which pole to buy? I think not ;)
So in summary its more than worth it ;)
Come off it Kevin you said the other week youwas never,ever,ever, going to mention a certain branded vacume cleaner again ;D ;D ;D ps the power pole is as heavy as F**K
-
Kevin R
do you want to buy my gutter vac
jerry
-
jerry why you selling?
-
Well I meant to make a comment earlier but I am afraid I have been cleaning gutters for the last 6 days straight - all commercial and much more to do next week too.
Is buying a gutter vac worth it? was the original question and I would have to say it defiantly has been one of my better purchases - in fact most of my commercial window cleaning work is "farmed out" until I decide what to do next. My company is about to expand but "how" is the bit Im still sorting. The growth is because of the Omnivac and its marketing.
You will make far more money per hour with the Omnivac then you could with wfp - carpet cleaning - or pressure washing. How do I know? well I supply all of these services.
If you already have a commercial client base adding on gutter clearing services is a doddle, but even if you dont, selling the Omnivac over the alternatives is a complete no brainer and people will bite your arm off.
I currently have a three month waiting list (hoping to resolve that very soon) and regular gutter cleaning contracts spanning the next 7 years!!!!!
I would like also like to make the comment that if you wan't to see one in action then make the effort. A day off to visit Omnipole is just the beginning to unlocking your potential earnings. Sit at home wishing Omnipole would visit you is just plain silly. If you want to buy a specialised car you would travel, so why not to see a specialised bit of kit that will make you money??? Did your wfp supplier visit you at home before you decided on which pole to buy? I think not ;)
So in summary its more than worth it ;)
Come off it Kevin you said the other week youwas never,ever,ever, going to mention a certain branded vacume cleaner again ;D ;D ;D ps the power pole is as heavy as F**K
Why don't you go back and read what I said - it was not about the Omnivac it was about DIY machines!!!!
The power pole is as heavy as F**K is it ????? So pray tell me what else on the market is strong enough to use with a gutter spike - as a pressure washing lance (upto 48 feet) on a daily basis. Did you know you could remove sections? If you think a power pole is heavy I bet you had fun lifting a ladder? best leave the men work to the men and stick to your toys. Since wfp was invented the profession has become filled with poofs!!! LOL
-
Kevin R
do you want to buy my gutter vac
jerry
How so? don't you like it?
-
ronnie paton
if i was to tell the truth it is a xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
(nightmare)
jerry
-
so how much you selling for???
-
Kevin R
you no i dont like it
jerry
-
ronnie paton
if i was to tell the truth it is a xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
(nightmare)
jerry
how much?
-
ronnie paton
you can ring me if you like
jerry
-
Kevin R
you can ring me if you like
jerry
-
Kevin R
do you want to buy my gutter vac
jerry
take mine as well!
take mine as well!! ;)
How so? don't you like it?
-
What's up with you guys?
Its an excellent machine - have you been fragmenting the roots before vacuuming? or just going straight in with the machine? do you guys have generators and pressure washing kit?
Or is it that you just dont like gutter clearing and prefer window cleaning?
-
whats your number?
-
Ok on housing etc ..but if you are going to go into this line of business buy or rent a truck mounted elevated platform and do the job right.
Ive got a mate that owns a row of shops and hired a access platform the other week to clean the whole block with some awkward areas...cost of hire was £120 for the day(old mill type building over 3 floors approx 45 foot)...sort of made me think differently about the whole gutter cleaning business
So Kevin don,t jump down my throat as this is only my opinion and I bow to yr superior knowledge of cleaning s**t out of gutters for extraordinary amounts of re numeration :P
-
cherub my number is 07725368115 give me a call im very intrested
-
ronnie paton
07958644465
jerry
-
ronnie paton
nice to speak to you
will ring you later
jerry
-
They don't often come up for sale secondhand so I'm sure you will have no problem selling it.
Would you sell all of it or keep the vac for your other "services".......?
Auction it on the forum and you should get a good price for it.
Regards
Mr H
-
Whats it comprise of ie generator camera etc etc i'm interested
-
Ok on housing etc ..but if you are going to go into this line of business buy or rent a truck mounted elevated platform and do the job right.
Ive got a mate that owns a row of shops and hired a access platform the other week to clean the whole block with some awkward areas...cost of hire was £120 for the day(old mill type building over 3 floors approx 45 foot)...sort of made me think differently about the whole gutter cleaning business
So Kevin don,t jump down my throat as this is only my opinion and I bow to yr superior knowledge of cleaning s**t out of gutters for extraordinary amounts of re numeration :P
Thats fine if you can get powered access to access the buildings but with todays "jam as many buildings in a small space as possible" ethos sometimes you will struggle with a ladder as the space is so limited. Also with todays emphasis on Health and Safety the Omnivac is suitable for many jobs where the options are very limited. We use powered access regularly - yes occasionally it is quicker and more cost effective to use this method over the Omnivac especially on large jobs. However for £120 you may just about get a trailer mount access platform down here and certainly not a machine that would reach 45 feet.
Its horses for courses and to be honest having the experience to gauge the job and know what access method is appropriate is half the battle. The Omnivac is an excellent tool and can make you a pretty penny as its especially suited to jobs with very limited access. It does do an excellent job and is easily as good as manually on some jobs but not on others (see my other post of today) its not.
Gutter cleaning / repair /relining is a specialty in its own right. It commands a good price because its dangerous, much more so than window cleaning especially with the advent of wfp. You will find as I have, it makes better money, there is much more work available than in window cleaning, but if your running a window cleaning business along side your gutter cleaning business you will get loads more window cleaning work as its an introduction to the facilities managers etc.
The thing is if your going to do commercial gutter cleaning you need to set yourself up properly with all the kit, get some training, be aware of all access techniques, fall arrest systems etc etc the list goes on. Then your ready to do the job properly. If your going to dabble on the cheap your better off sticking to windows as your likely to do a poor job and possibly get injured or worse in the process.
-
Hi
If anyone wants to sell a guttervac I am looking to buy one please email grassroots@fsmail.net I am based near Exeter.
Thanks
Justin
-
Hi kevin,
I think I stand somewhere on the middle ground in regard to the omnivac debate. Although we've owned one for probably two months we only did our first job using it a fortnight ago.
The work is steadily coming in, with work all over the country. Companies love the fact that we don't have to use ladders and can cctv their guttering from the safety of the ground.
However, our first job was the guttering on a school gym in Wales, approx 20ft, battled with the gutter spike and vacuum for an hour or so and only cleaned about 3 metres of grass and roots in gutters. The lads then took the vacuum hose up a ladder and cleared gutters by hand, the remaining 20m done in half an hour.
Job 2, office block in London. Gutters on back of building were clear, so we vaccumed no problem. However, deep rooted grass etc on front of buiding, again we had to get ladders out to clear.
Job 3, 21 industrial units in Bristol. Gutter height only 12ft. Again boys used the vacuum hose from ladder and system worked a treat. But could not get through deep roots using vaccum pole from ground.
I want the system to work, we've got a lot more work booked in. But unless we can get the hang of using the gutter spike on the powerpole we are going to have to keep getting the ladders out. What is your technique to break up the roots etc?
We're currently looking into purchasing a cherry picker to work in tandem with the omnivac system.
Cheers,
Huw
-
When I first started I got very frustrated because my technique with the gutter spike was poor and I could not understand why. Also my vacuuming technique was falling short as I was struggling to clean all of the gutter especially in big bottomed commercial gutters.
I got one of my colleagues to hold the monitor for my camera system which was positioned to capture the action as it were. You could then watch as you used the vac and the spike. I learnt especially with the spike its easier to try and remove as much of the plants / roots as you can by impaling them and sliding them up the wall of the gutter and over the top - This is almost impossible with box gutters due to them having a lip on the top outside edge but will work well with most other types. Also another tip is to turn off your vac and use its tip to break up roots etc by pushing it and pulling it along the bottom of the gutter, then vacuum.
Getting the ladders out is very tempting but the idea is to refine your technique for areas where a cherry picker / ladders can't be used. The Omnivac does have a learning curve - but it will make you money if your patient and learn to use it.
The other bit of advise is know when it will be unsuitable - most jobs now I survey I know within 5 mins wether to get the cherry picker in our use the Omnivac. The Omnivac is not a one stop solution unfortunately, but when it is suitable you will make a profit very quickly.
Its a case of practice makes perfect. I am teaching one of my sub contractors at the moment how to do it and its hard because simply explaining doesn't seem to work. One of my other sub contractors picked it up in no time though, he now says its a knack. He like me hardly uses a camera as we feel with the spike and the vac tip - we only now do an initial survey then a completion check - 99% of the time the gutters a clear by feel alone. Trust me you will develop the knack but only with a bit of practice.
I hope that helps ;)
-
Hi kevin,
Not only is trying to break up the roots/grass a struggle, but trying to use the CCTV is proving a nightmare too. I've got one guy using the gutter vac, one using a powerpole with the camera and then another looking at the monitor display and guiding in the guttervac. Its hard to use the powerpole and look at the monitor at the same time.
I think the whole system has got a bright future, selling the service is no problem, people like the cctv survey and working from the ground, but knowing when its time to hire a cherry picker is true. For regular maintenance, after an initial visit, the omnivac will come into its own I think.
Kevin if you don't mind could you give me some ideas of hourly charge for your gutter cleaning service, every job I've quoted on so far have told me we're cheap, but I have achieved some of the biggest job tickets since I've been in business this week using the guttervac.
My guys are booked out all week this week so far we've been to London, Bristol and Exeter and are in Derby tomorrow. All our jobs have been industrial units and office blocks.
I will persevere with the gutter spike! But it is all too easy to get the ladders back out!!
Cheers,
Huw
huw@seerclean.com
-
Have to agree with Huw on some points raised. If you can see grass you just know it's going to be a struggle particularly the top of the downpipe. If it's moss, leaves or silt then it's a doddle to suck out. Cctv camera is dead easy as long as you mount your monitor to a tripod - adjust it to an easy height, send the pole up and just watch the monitor. I have a shhhhh! DIY version and what i'm missing imo is the powerpole - you really need something pretty heafty i think to rake the roots about. I've been using a fibreglass pole and it's a bit lightweight and bendy for the job. S2 sections are great for vacuuming though. ;)
-
this will give you an idea of prices that the competition are charging
www.highvac.co.uk/6.html
bit of an off put isnt it !! ???
just looking out of my window at the 4 bed det houses opposite which only have 14 metres guttering on ( 7 m front & 7 m back ,none on the sides
at these prices you will be charging £35 for a 4 bed det house?
even if you do a 100 metre stretch thats only £250 which aint a lot if its all grass
-
Hi kevin,
Not only is trying to break up the roots/grass a struggle, but trying to use the CCTV is proving a nightmare too. I've got one guy using the gutter vac, one using a powerpole with the camera and then another looking at the monitor display and guiding in the guttervac. Its hard to use the powerpole and look at the monitor at the same time.
I think the whole system has got a bright future, selling the service is no problem, people like the cctv survey and working from the ground, but knowing when its time to hire a cherry picker is true. For regular maintenance, after an initial visit, the omnivac will come into its own I think.
Kevin if you don't mind could you give me some ideas of hourly charge for your gutter cleaning service, every job I've quoted on so far have told me we're cheap, but I have achieved some of the biggest job tickets since I've been in business this week using the guttervac.
My guys are booked out all week this week so far we've been to London, Bristol and Exeter and are in Derby tomorrow. All our jobs have been industrial units and office blocks.
I will persevere with the gutter spike! But it is all too easy to get the ladders back out!!
Cheers,
Huw
huw@seerclean.com
Ok this in my experience is the best way forward -
1 - survey the gutter - record the images do not look at the monitor during the recording then review it.
2 - Use the gutter spike to get a feel for whats in there.
3 - remove as much as you can with the spike - or damage as much of the root as you can, or turn the plant on its side (a vac will stick to a root ball but not the plant). Run the spike up and down. You will with practice feel what the spike touches.
4 - insert the vac nozzle - do the same as with the spike
5 - turn on the machine - Biggest nozzle and remove as much as you can
6 - Re - camera and repeat until clear.
Pressure wash the inside of the gutter and the down pipes.
Take each bit in small sections. Work toward down pipes from the ends.
Exeter on my patch eh - mmm do I tell him my prices LOL - I have alread quoted my charges on previous posts please feel free to look ;D ;D ;D
Sell maintenance contracts every time you quote - dont be afraid to get a cherry picker then quote them cheaper for Omnivac from then on - they will bite your arm off ;D
-
this will give you an idea of prices that the competition are charging
www.highvac.co.uk/6.html
bit of an off put isnt it !! ???
just looking out of my window at the 4 bed det houses opposite which only have 14 metres guttering on ( 7 m front & 7 m back ,none on the sides
at these prices you will be charging £35 for a 4 bed det house?
even if you do a 100 metre stretch thats only £250 which aint a lot if its all grass
But can't you tell just from the website he's a plank?
A commercial client is hardly likely to phone him as he has only pictures of houses on his site - where is the H & S info - pictures of commercial work etc.
Just because someone gets an Omnivac doesn't mean they get a free business brain thrown in LOL ;D ;D ;D
-
Hi Kevin,
Point taken with the maintenance contract, I will try and push for a twelve monthly visit at propably a 25% discount of initial visit price. Just had a very interesting conversation with a large organisation about gutter cleaning.
All we have to do now is master our technique. I think I will in future quote with and without the hire of cherry picker, rather than try and achieve the impossible with guttervac.
Cheers,
Huw.
-
thats true kev but advertising those prices doenst help
-
He has a method statement and a health and safety policy of sorts on that site. The more people buy these systems then the lower prices will fall i would imagine. If the guy can suck out a domestic at £45 for half an hours work then he's happy. You won't be able to push prices very high on residential because you are competing with ladder man. Commercial - then if your comparing prices with a cherry picker then that's different.
-
then if your comparing prices with a cherry picker then that's different.
Bingo Give the boy a cracker ;D ;D ;D ;D
thats true kev but advertising those prices doenst help
Sure it does look what some wallys charge with wfp, Some one on here the other week was charging £7 for a bungalow gutter clean - these people need educating before they do for us all. Prices are only kept high if people know the value of a skilled days work - because thats what gutter clearing is, a skill. Other wise someone will do it for £70 a day!!!!
Hi Kevin,
Point taken with the maintenance contract, I will try and push for a twelve monthly visit at propably a 25% discount of initial visit price. Just had a very interesting conversation with a large organisation about gutter cleaning.
All we have to do now is master our technique. I think I will in future quote with and without the hire of cherry picker, rather than try and achieve the impossible with guttervac.
Cheers,
Huw.
We have a little clause on our contract that states we will do our utmost to clear the gutters from ground level with the Omnivac, However due circumstances beyond our control including; plants and trees rooted to the fabric / structure of the buildings gutters, faulty gutters and down pipes including connections etc, it may be necessary to use a cherry picker with further cost to the client. All further costs will be discussed before implementation.
So do you get a cherry picker in first? If you have good access all around the building and the gutters are box and seriously over grown or the building is 4 to 5 stories then Ok its a valid shout, but otherwise add to your contract and play it by ear. After all its not your fault they neglected their gutters.
Huw
Did you recently do a job for Exeter City council?
-
Hi Kev,
No we haven't worked for Exter Council. Although did have a conversation with another council up North this afternoon about a gutter maintenance programme.
With a bit more practice and the right planning i'm sure there's money to be made in this field. 90% of all our enquiries over the last three weeks have been for gutter cleaning, which is amazing really when we have only been promoting it for about a month.
In fact currently looking at prices of a 7 1/2 ton lorry cherry picker, which could house the omnivac equipment and a pressure washer and tank. We would then have a means of attack for all gutter situations.
Cheers,
Huw
-
Hi Kev,
No we haven't worked for Exter Council. Although did have a conversation with another council up North this afternoon about a gutter maintenance programme.
With a bit more practice and the right planning i'm sure there's money to be made in this field. 90% of all our enquiries over the last three weeks have been for gutter cleaning, which is amazing really when we have only been promoting it for about a month.
In fact currently looking at prices of a 7 1/2 ton lorry cherry picker, which could house the omnivac equipment and a pressure washer and tank. We would then have a means of attack for all gutter situations.
Cheers,
Huw
The problem with your own truck mount is the maintenance costs - and LOLER certs etc. Also a truck mount is too big for some jobs. I hire what I need then I have a machine for every situation. Often a trailer mount works well.
I am over run with gutter cleans, I love a day window cleaning now as its much easier!!!!
The councils are a good port of call. I have two on my books. However their work is always overgrown and neglected. So be prepared for harder than average cleans, but they don't mind paying as the next step is often scaffolding due to restricted access.
I asked about Exeter as I recently turned down a job due to massive access problems and a few other things they got a contractor in from your way and they failed to do the job. Im glad I didn't drive all that way for a fail. The job needs to be scaffolded simple as really.
-
well thanks for the answers boys! :o ;D im in the north west. maybe i should forget it then!
-
well thanks for the answers boys! :o ;D im in the north west. maybe i should forget it then!
If you have a bit of business skill and a bit of patients to learn a new skill then its worth it, if you looking to make a fast easy buck then forget it ;)
-
If you can learn how to walk then you can definatly learn how to use the omnivac. ;D
-
If you can learn how to walk then you can definatly learn how to use the omnivac. ;D
I would agree this sounds feasible - but believe me some people really struggle :o
-
i get that, when i first started using wfp's i was sure i wouldnt be able to use a 60ft pole after trying it once, but now its second nature.
-
think i will leave it for now, its a lot of money for aching arms etc!