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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Kevin R on October 23, 2008, 05:19:06 pm
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Cold mornings and Hot WFP
I have gained several new customers this week because people can see the steam coming off my brush!!!!
Several people have commented how good hot wfp looks, and how well it cleans!!!
This has been from people in the street not the customers I already have. What a surprise, just goes to show how much people notice when your working.
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I had a similar comment when I was cleaning some local shops,... the heat was down low but for some reason the steam was really visible that day. I nearly took a photo it looked so good!
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was a bit worried about cracking glass how hot do you run yours this time off year
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Everyone knows cold wfp cleans better ::)
OK I admit it I am jealous I want a hot system ;D
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Don't want to change subject but can you heat water in the morning ,and how long will it stay hot for.
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I just havent got round to getting hot water. Its not that i dont want to. Its time and sorting out the van
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Everyone knows cold wfp cleans better ::)
OK I admit it I am jealous I want a hot system ;D
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cat 9921 over your way next week if you want to have a look at mine
will only cost you £120
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Everyone knows cold wfp cleans better ::)
OK I admit it I am jealous I want a hot system ;D
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cat 9921 over your way next week if you want to have a look at mine
will only cost you £120
Your cheap ;D if you are serious about being over my way then I would like to see a hot system
Let me know
Thanks Glyn ( Adders Rinse and Clean )
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i,ll come and have a look too cos cat9921 will forget how anyway ;D
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ok we can meet up monday will be on walting street most of the day
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£120......is this the L5 jobby you have installed?
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ok we can meet up monday will be on walting street most of the day
OK see you on monday ;)
Thanks Glyn
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Kevin we have broke some windows in the years gone back but at only 20 ish degs
so all im saying is watch it !!! they will break double glazing break just as easily as old
stuff ::) ::) ::)
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I cleaned the outside of a house this summer.
It was a hot day. Anyway got a call later saying that I had cracked a d/glazed window.
Went to check and found the crack on the inside.
When the window was repaired the glaizier told the owner that the cold water could have caused the prob as the inside window was at a much higher temp. when the cold water hit the window it caused undue tension.
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Kevin we have broke some windows in the years gone back but at only 20 ish degs
so all im saying is watch it !!! they will break double glazing break just as easily as old
stuff
You broke some panes with the water at 20ish degree? Or the outside temperature?
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if the brush is kept in the same place on the glass with the hot water flowing the glass gets hot rapidly. however if the brush is kept in motion the glass doesn't seem to get that warm as the glass cools the water more than the water heats the glass. So this could be the key to prevent glass cracking.
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I haven't broken any glass yet, and Im going to keep it set at max till I do. Im gonna keep my brush moving and not let it rest in one place which should help minimise cracking. I have a National trust contract which I will be using cold for though just to be on the safe side LOL ;)
when you say you have yours set on max how hot is that
i have the L5 heater and friday and set heat to high and the micro bore with 30 foot of hose of the reel was to hot to hold had to use a glove to wind in
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16 to 20 degs water not temp outside
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Listen to Vedd. The main cause (I have found ) is temp difference leading to thermal shock. So on a cold frosty morning be wary.
Be wary of of opaque glass.
Be wary of single glazing
Be more wary in the winter than the summer.
Be more wary in the morning
If you hear any kind of creaking pull away.
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So whats the optimum temp for winter, and summer?
I'm going out for the first time next week with hot water.
Its going to be chilly ( so the weather chaps say), what temp should I be aiming at?
I was thinking about 25 c
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as you may remember I cracked 2 windows this summer. both were on really dirty first cleans, where i'd been on the pane for longer than usual due to really excessive dirt.
nowadays if I think i'm going to be on a pane for longer than usual, I turn my flow right down to a trickle so i'm putting much less heat into the glass.
otherwise you could leave it up high, work first on the pane with stubborn marks for a short while, move onto other panes and then come back to the first one.
I also think that only window which are already under some sort of stress are likely to crack
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I'd agree with that, no spacers or badly fitted spacers, a nail already causing pressure on single glazing, but..... if it cracks it's still your fault.
I don't know much about temp and tend to put my hand into the flow to get a sence of if it's too hot. I try to think of it as rubbing the window with a warm cloth and what would be okay.
But I can assure you I am not perfect or infallible.
One of the main things is not getting 'us', as hot users, a bad name. Some of the cold users would be only to happy to discredit us, so as newbies be carefull what you post on here as well.
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Thats exactly my point.
I want to be completely positive, and enthusiastic about hot water, and its benefits.
If I cracked a customers window after enthusing about it, I'd feel I'd let them down.
There's one house I'm really keen to use my hot water on. Its a big house, with big panes of glass, but the have a serious insect poo problem ( they live next door to a stables, and never close there curtains at night). I would imagine I'd have the water pretty warm to soften, and remove the poo.
But I'm a little worried as to what's the highest temp I can safely, and confidently get away with.
I mean these panes as literally covered in the stuff. I normally have to use a scourer to remove it, and even that doesn't remove all of it, and thats before I WFP :o
I think the point Dave made about turning the flow down to a trickle is a good idea - and the one I'd probably use.
But I'd like to know what temp most folks will , lets say, being using next week, with the temp dropping.
Thanks
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so as newbies be carefull what you post on here as well.
What?
So if you crack panes keep it under ur hat?
You sound like Del-Boy.
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i have asked this before but never had an answer but in cold conditions doesnt hot water freeze quicker than cold. i know it sounds daft but i remember from chemistry 20 odd years ago that hot is closer in its structure to steam and steam is closer to ice in its make up. so therefor hot freezes quicker when in enters freezing conditions ???
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The answer is on another thread, it seems that you are correct in your theory.
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ok we can meet up monday will be on walting street most of the day
A big Thanks Alan, It was good to see for myself how it all worked and thankyou for taking the time to explain it and how it all worked. Thinking of getting one now but have to see what the wife says ;D
Thanks Again
Glyn
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MAX 16 - 20 degs this time of year its warm enough watch out bin there and got the t shirt
that says we break windows not just clean them and what a pratt you will feel after its cost you
for replacement
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dont be a heat freak ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Omnipole 6o degrees, thermalbore hose, steam coming from the glass 1st thing this morning. Should be fun tomorrow, single glazed sash windows all morning -1 .
I'll have the water flow turned right up and work very quick so glass doesn't get a chance to heat up ;D
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Wayne how do you feel now knowing you can go hot for about £150 lol,instead of nearly 3k with no heat adjustment.
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I've no regrets ;D
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I`m not having a dig at you as you know we spoke on the phone about it a while back now,people might be happy with the deisel heaters and i`m not knocking them good on em but i do think there a bit overpriced by quiet a bit.
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What's more dangerous: A gas bottle exploding or a diesel burner alight ??? I've had to drag 5 sets of Oxy/Acetylene set ups out of a burning building and I've never been so scared in my life, someone had to do it otherwise it would have been horrendous. Been there, done it, DON'T ever want to do it again thank-you very much. I'll stick with diesel, MUCH safer even if it is more costly financially. Life is not a rehearsal.
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Come on Wayne that sounds a bit like sour grapes lol,as someone said on here yesterday every caravan has 1 and as long as it`s connected securley and held in place jobs a good`n. ;D
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If you saw the damage an exploding cylinder could do, I'm sure you'd think twice about safety versus costs.
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Can you tell me what could happen then worst case scenario as i`ll be fitting mine next week.
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I really don't begrudge paying what I did for a diesel heater. Yes the gas ones are really cheap and I'm sure they are very good. Would I like to use one in a vehicle with a gas bottle? Only if there was no safer option.
I use to use a zodi hot tap heater with the gas stored outside the van while the unit was alight. I was never keen on it, but it was a means to an end.
Now I can leave my heater on whilst I'm driving if I want (safe) to pre-heat my tank if need be. I don't bother as I only use it on-demand whilst I'm cleaning the windows, cladding or whatever. I can leave it on for hours if needed whilst in use. If the unit should overheat, it will automatically cut out and there's no need for me to run back to the van and worry about the heater being damaged, just re-set the trip switches. Peace of mine.
If my heater packed up and I had to buy another heater I would still buy another diesel heater. It's a bit like the difference between an SL-2 and an extended Harris pole. Both poles will do the same job but they are so different in comparison.
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You can only pre heat the water with your heater if you modify it and even then it would take hours and hours to heat the water up that way,that heater trips out for fun i`ve heard.If you don`t have adjustable heat IMO it`s a complete waste of time.
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Can you tell me what could happen then worst case scenario as i`ll be fitting mine next week.
If a cylinder was to get too hot or damaged, it's likely to ring, vibrate, ignite at the valve or turn into a flying missile, hence why they are stored in metal cages and an appropiate hazmat warning sign fitted to the vehicle transporting them so if the emergency fire appliances were called to the scene of a RTA they'd be aware of the potential fire hazzard.
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If mine explodes it will fly out of the back doors cos i`m fitting it behind the tank facing the back doors so i`ll only get wet lol. ;D ;D ;D
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If mine explodes it will fly out of the back doors cos i`m fitting it behind the tank facing the back doors so i`ll only get wet lol. ;D ;D ;D
Made me laugh
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You were only supposed to blow the B****y doors off,not a lot of people know that lol. ;D ;D
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;D
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I really don't begrudge paying what I did for a diesel heater. Yes the gas ones are really cheap and I'm sure they are very good. Would I like to use one in a vehicle with a gas bottle? Only if there was no safer option.
I use to use a zodi hot tap heater with the gas stored outside the van while the unit was alight. I was never keen on it, but it was a means to an end.
Now I can leave my heater on whilst I'm driving if I want (safe) to pre-heat my tank if need be. I don't bother as I only use it on-demand whilst I'm cleaning the windows, cladding or whatever. I can leave it on for hours if needed whilst in use. If the unit should overheat, it will automatically cut out and there's no need for me to run back to the van and worry about the heater being damaged, just re-set the trip switches. Peace of mine.
If my heater packed up and I had to buy another heater I would still buy another diesel heater. It's a bit like the difference between an SL-2 and an extended Harris pole. Both poles will do the same job but they are so different in comparison.
cant knock the mans logic diesel or gas its bit like ladders or wfp
suppose its how you value your safety.
somebody mentioned gas and caravans yep it is used in them but
everything is installed by professionals and majority of sites now insist
on a gas check at least once a year by again a professional so it is covered on the sites insurance
makes you wonder what would happen with if one of these
home made systems came a cropper how you would stand with your insurance
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uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uUmLe9WCXX0&feature=related (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uUmLe9WCXX0&feature=related)
This is what happens when they explode!!!!!!!
:o :o :o :o :o
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DAAAAAAAMN
uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uUmLe9WCXX0&feature=related (http://www.uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uUmLe9WCXX0&feature=related)
This is what happens when they explode!!!!!!!
:o :o :o :o :o
That'd dry the glass off
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LOL!
Excuse me mr. aren't you going to wipe those windows down?
Sure mam, hold on a sec!
Kawooooom ;D
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;D ;D
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Wayne have you tried using heating oil and not diesel it burns so much cleaner
and you don't get all the smoke either
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Edd, I've never tried it.
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and its half the price of diesel
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That video clip is of oxy acletylene which is in a different league to lpg in the terms of the damage it can cause and the precuations that have to be taken in handling the two gases. Lpg cylinders can be involved in fire and not explode they have in built safety features to prevent explosion and will vent off the gas when the clylinder is exposed to high temperature. My point is that for the clylinder to become dangerous it would have to be in an circumstance which was in its self dangerous, however i agree the clylinder being there would add another hazard.
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i thought it used propane :)
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If mine explodes it will fly out of the back doors cos i`m fitting it behind the tank facing the back doors so i`ll only get wet lol. ;D ;D ;D
LMFAO good one!
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i thought it used propane :)
you can use propane or butane both are classed as lpg.
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Butane is common in the UK as our winters aren't too cold. Propane will continue to work even when the cylinder is exposed to -20 degrees.
Basically the 2 are interchangeable on most appliances tho.
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i thought it used propane :)
you can use propane or butane both are classed as lpg.
i know ::) ;D