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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Russell Morgan on October 22, 2008, 11:24:50 am
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hi all, im thinking of trying that 'm power' stuff, i've been told its very good, any opinions would be greatly apprecited before i go buy some, thanks all
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You've been told correctly :)
It works differently from detergents and microsplitters. It takes a little bit of time to get used to it but once you're comfortable with it there's no looking back. Solution UK and Cleantalk is the best place for any info.
I ordered some to "try" about a year ago and have barely put anything else on a carpet or suite since ;)
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I've heard mixed reports about it, some say it totally rubbish and some like Jim say its the bees knees
best thing to do is buy some and decide yourself
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I've been using it on and off for about a year now. Never really given it a proper go. But i've been using it exclusively for the last fortnight and i must say it has worked great so far. I use a Sebo Duo to agitate it and this works great as long as the carpets got a bit of a pile to it. Used it today on a suite with pen marks on it. Sprayed it, agitated and left it for about half hour and the pen marks were gone, I was very impressed.
Looking to get a better agitating machine though as the low profile carpets don't come up that great with the duo. Need something a bit more substantial.
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Been using it since it appeared and not looked back ........... use with Envirodri E30 and could leave some jobs without extracting :o
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pity they don't sell 500mls so people can try it out,
5lts for £75 inc is a bit much to pay if you don't know if you'll like it.
mike
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I think Nick's working on it tbh, some folks have asked recently.
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Worth trying nearest CC as i gave small samples to 2 people in the past .........since converted ;)
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Chris and Jim
Can you give a run down of how you use it.
Ive got some and never got on with it. I spray, agitate (host) and extract after 5 mins but results where better with normal microsplitters.
Im open to try something new for it.
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contact www.worldofclean.co.uk
They gave me a free sample.thought is was ok but nothing special.
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just use a chemical thet you KNOW works ;) ;D
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contact www.worldofclean.co.uk
They gave me a free sample.thought is was ok but nothing special.
called them earlier, i should have my free sample soon
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Okay Craig i'll keep using mpower then!
Mark you need a longer dwell time
Cheers Goron
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I spray, agitate then rinse after 10+ minutes......... get into pattern of prepping room ahead of the one you are about to rinse. Easy if heavy trafic lanes as they can be misted/brushed in advance ...... light mist before rinsing if drying out ;)
Must admit that Envirodri highlights just how lightweight the Sebo Duo is for the task .......... but ANY mechanical agitation is better than none at all 8)
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This is not dissimular
www.restormate.co.uk/epages/15094.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/15094/Categories/Nem
Shaun
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That Nemises looks good Shaun.Is it better than the M Power thing?
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Pleasant weather for this time of year don't you think?
Shaun
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Hi
Of the people who get on with M power, do you use a rinse aid or just plain water ?
Dave
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I have read that most use pure clean in the tank, although is this politically correct as you are pre spraying with a neutral ph chemical and then rinsing with a ph9, seems a bit odd.
Shaun
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just plain old lake district water in my tank
Andrew
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Plain water here too, but I might stress that no matter what I use I will never use powder of any description in my solution tank again as I am firmly convinced
that powders and pumps do not mix.
Years of replacing pumps when I was a powder user as opposed to years of trouble free pumps when I changed to fresh water rinsing speaks fo itself.
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Mpower imho works really well on naturals but fails miserably on man made.
However I do recall cleaning a lounge polyprop carpet last xmas and it came up a treat. I mean this carpet was trashed as the lady had naughty kids!!
But it's never worked the same for me since on similar carpets.
i just don't get the stuff.
will
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Use it at 1:120 for most jobs, 1:100 if they're a bit minging, 1:80 for salvage work, care homes, odour problems etc.
Spray up liberally, but obviously within parameters of what the carpet can stand. Brush in with groomer on most domestics (axminster, 80/20, most tufted types etc), always use mechanical agitation on commercials.
Sometimes use bonnet for agitation and initial cleaning followed by extraction.
Leave as long a dwell as you can, sometimes I go up to 30-45 mins on big jobs. No, it doesn't mean you're sitting in the van looking at your watch, as Chris says just work ahead with your prep work. Obviously the carpet is going to feel like it's dried out in some cases but the product will still be working and you can keep it topped up a little.
Working in bigger areas also actually makes up a bit of time as you have to turn the machine on and off less times and extract more in one go. This is especially true in empty houses, you can do them in 2 sections, upstairs & down
On smaller jobs, mechanical agitation makes up for less dwell time.
Cold water rinse is fine in most cases, I still crank it up to bloody hot for filthy carpets, partly because I think it does mobilise certain soils better and also because some of my problem solvers work better with hot rinse.
I honestly don't know where people get the idea that it doesn't work on synthetics as well as wool. Well, I do know, it's because one person said it and then everyone else copies them, but that's forums for you ::) I've found it excellent on all fibre types. The jobs that don't turn out looking a million dollars are normally due to the way in which they got so trashed in the first place. Brown things and polish spring to mind.
You only need to rinse with fresh water. Advantages are obviously no extra expense on rinse agents, and as Fintan points out you're preserving your pump (presuming you're using a portable).
Diamond how much of a free sample did you get? You need to take it out on a good few different jobs, just using it once or twice is useless. It also helps if you've got a pressure-free job or two where you're not under pressure and have time to play around a bit. Your own carpets or friends/family may be the best bet. I used a commercial building that I work in, had all day to do a few rooms and the place to myself...so I took advantage of the situation!
Shaun, I think the weather has been splendid ;)
"Most" use pureclean? Never heard of that before, maybe david j jones knows different, i think his cousin has registered on here now, see if he'll ask him :)
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After all that praise I think I will try some M-Power.
I tried microsplitters once on commercial carpet and did not like the result. I sprayed, agitated, left to dwell and then extracted with cold water to no great effect. Still had to finish with powder :-(
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Hi Guys
There are certainly mixed reports on MPower and Nemesis, both colloids.
Colloids are actually very similar to detergents, but have a component which is continually on the move, well as long as there's water present. It is this element which gives the 'self cleaning' effect
I tried Nemesis with average results but have not tried MP, partly because I would want to try a small sample before ending up with another barely consumed 5L container.
It would appear the people who like MP/Nemesis are those that like a lot of agitation, whereas those who like to prespary, leave a while and then extract hot, seem to prefer detergents of MS, Pureclean being my preferred choice.
Cheers
Doug
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I think Nick's working on it tbh, some folks have asked recently.
Yeah i asked about 3 months ago,
Thought they might have sent 100ml in post so I could give it a try
They know I would give an onest report
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The thing that i have always heard about microsplitters is that it seems to eat brass fittings on sprayers and the such. The thing i was concerned about is the fact that people are now running pureclean which is apparently a micro splitter in a powdered form, through the machines. What is the long term affect of this? I think a lot of people are going to end up springing a lot of leaks in the not too distant future!
Cheers Goron
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I didn't get the results I was hoping for with Mpower when I first started using it - I have discovered that patience is required.
You need to leave a decent dwell time - I pre-spray then agitate with a Sebo (I have been using this a lot more since using MPower), I may even give it another light mist. If I haven't got another area to start prepping then I will have a coffee with the client or go and make a phone call and have a ciggy.
10 - 20 minutes can seem a long time if you are standing looking at it, but if you are only going to rinse with water then you have got to give the product a chance to work.
Since I started having a little patience I have been very impressed with it. But I agree that it may not be to everyones liking.
Steve
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i was told by another cleaner that its sooo easy to use. and you just spray it on, agitate and thats it, but when i called world of clean they said it needs to be extracted as any detergent, they are sending me a sample
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100ml free sample... maximum of 12 litres of pre spray... nowhere near enough to get a proper idea of what it can do!
It's not that big a financial gamble to take. If you really don't get on with it after you've used a litre or so you can always flog it to someone who wants it and at least get a bit of cash back.
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if Solutions Uk had confidence in the product they would offer a trail size. To make your first purchase a large one says to me they need to maximise there initial sale becuase the chance of future sales once the potential customers has used it is slim.
I want to buy some but I'm not spending £75ish, I also want to try Spitfire advance, I can buy 5lts of that for £15ish.
guess which one I will be ordering ::)
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i was told by another cleaner that its sooo easy to use. and you just spray it on, agitate and thats it, but when i called world of clean they said it needs to be extracted as any detergent, they are sending me a sample
Spray on and leave :o thats madness, where will the dirt go?
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But Mike, how many suppliers give out free samples of anything. If that were the case we could just go from supplier to supplier picking up all the freebies we could find.
I think the only free sample of anything I ever got was a small bottle of odour fresh which Robert Saunders gave me about ten years ago.
I bought some M power when it came on the market first and it has been my main cleaning product ever since and will be until someone sends me a free sample of something better. :) :)
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Nemisis /M power has its place,but for 80% of the time i find pureclean a more suitable cleaning solution.Chemspec Enzall for filthy resturant carpets and powerburst for end of tenancy cleans.
Mark
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Colloidal products have been used for years in the Dry Cleaning industry. I was given a sample some years ago. It was so concenrated it would barely come out of the container.
From what I remember, it was used as a prewash emulsifyer.
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Mike you're missing the point. How can you fully test out a product if you only use it a couple of times?
I don't agree with 100ml samples of a product like that, you should be confident in the reassurance of happy customers and get yourself some... and then use it with an open mind!
It took me until the end of my first 5 litres to feel fully confident enough to take my other carpet & upholstery cleaning chems off the van.
I've used my former workhorse liquid detergent product once in the last 12 months.
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Spray on and leave :o thats madness, where will the dirt go?
Into your recovery tank or bonnet!
I would think "Leave" was meant to mean "no need to agitate", which incidentally I don't agree with as a valid technique for the product.
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Jim
Don't you ever sleep ! :)
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JIm & Finton, I don't want a free sample, I want a trail size (500mls not a 100mls) A 500mls would make 60lts of RTU solution more than enough to give it a thorough test.
5lts would make approx 3000lt of pre-spray, to say it takes this amount to be fully confident in it is ridiculous. A trail size would last me 2 weeks within that time i will clean a multitude of different carpet in different situations. i could give it a theorugh test.
mike
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Guys
Its very cheap to use and great value for money but, in my view, only good on wool. TM uses i would say its a waste of time as your sinners circle will be differant to us portable uses.
respect
Ian Harper
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i was told by another cleaner that its sooo easy to use. and you just spray it on, agitate and thats it, but when i called world of clean they said it needs to be extracted as any detergent, they are sending me a sample
Jim, No, read in full, he def says aggitate and leave ie. no extract! who told him this, are there others doing that? :o
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Spray on and leave :o thats madness, where will the dirt go?
Into your recovery tank or bonnet!
I would think "Leave" was meant to mean "no need to agitate", which incidentally I don't agree with as a valid technique for the product.
no, he actually said he leaves it, he said he can do a 4 bed house in an hour!!
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... and tarmac the drive whilst he's there presumably ::)
Mike, I didn't think you meant "free", I simply saw the amount of 100ml mentioned, which is why I commented on it not being enough.
I also said....
confident enough to take my other ... chems off the van
NOT confident in the product!! I was confident in its performance after a month or two of varied use, the last hurdle was a greasy restaurant which never looks great even with detergents but I felt I did just as good a job with MP.
Steve - as I've said before I keep funny hours sometimes :)
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From my understanding of M Power, Russels statement of spray, agitate and go isn't as bizarre as it may sound.
If the practice is the same as the theory, on light soiling levels, the soil would be broken into nano particles and madam would vac it all away in a few days time. The product would bio-degrade and not leave any resoiling residues. Trevor Woodman used this to good effect under sofas etc.
For more normal levels of soiling, as the carpets would not remain wet for long enough, I would always advocate a pad or rinse/extract to remove the dislodged soil.
Safe and happy cleaning :)
Ken